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October 18th, 2013 at 3:30:20 PM permalink
Is it better to give up a pair of queens if you have 3 to the royal?
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October 18th, 2013 at 3:41:45 PM permalink
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October 18th, 2013 at 5:53:18 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

No, unless it's a progressive and the royal jackpot is HUGE. I'm sure someone can find out when to deviate.



I'd hate to disagree with you, but is it not better to toss the Queens if you have three sequential cards to a Royal such as Q-J-10 or J-Q-K but not Q-K-A?
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October 18th, 2013 at 6:08:36 PM permalink
Mission I believe you are right except for the QJT. You lose value having that ten.
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October 18th, 2013 at 6:09:12 PM permalink
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October 18th, 2013 at 6:16:32 PM permalink
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Mission I believe you are right except for the QJT. You lose value having that ten.



Darn, I was close!
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October 18th, 2013 at 7:18:12 PM permalink
Likewise.
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October 18th, 2013 at 10:32:10 PM permalink
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Darn, I was close!



That rule, holding KQJ suited over KK QQ or JJ, is also only valid for DDB games where the flush pays 6 for 1. If the flush is 5 for 1, you should hold the high pair.
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October 19th, 2013 at 3:00:55 AM permalink
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Is it better to give up a pair of queens if you have 3 to the royal?



If you are Rob Singer you do. Look at example #13 on this page: http://alanbestbuys.com/id194.html He broke up THREE QUEENS when he had 3 to the Royal.
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October 19th, 2013 at 4:54:17 AM permalink
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Is it better to give up a pair of queens if you have 3 to the royal?

According to Varmenti you always go for the 3 card royal when you have a pay hand, since he is one of the smartest professional gamblers alive or dead, we may all be wrong.

Only hold the queens if you want to come out ahead in the long run and care about value.

Alan M I hope you were being sarcastic when mentioning Rob Singer, people should get a 3 day ban for even mentioning that guys name.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 19th, 2013 at 5:14:05 AM permalink
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According to Varmenti you always go for the 3 card royal when you have a pay hand, since he is one of the smartest professional gamblers alive or dead, we may all be wrong.

Only hold the queens if you want to come out ahead in the long run and care about value.

Alan M I hope you were being sarcastic when mentioning Rob Singer, people should get a 3 day ban for even mentioning that guys name.

After watching the video i realize you were just touting your interview, how convenient for you.

question: did you have to immediately shower after that interview?

Your defiantly a professional, I don't think I could have controlled myself from calling him an absolute idiot, after he said toss out 4 , 5 , 6 ,7 for the ACE

By example 8 I'm sure violence would have broken out.
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October 19th, 2013 at 11:27:43 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

After watching the video i realize you were just touting your interview, how convenient for you.

question: did you have to immediately shower after that interview?

Your defiantly a professional, I don't think I could have controlled myself from calling him an absolute idiot, after he said toss out 4 , 5 , 6 ,7 for the ACE

By example 8 I'm sure violence would have broken out.



My job was to present his views. That's what I told him prior to the interview and that's what I did. I do not play his way, I stated it, and made it clear that I only wanted to give him an opportunity to have his "special plays" presented in one place so there would be a record of it. Until then, everything he ever said was in bits and pieces in Gaming Today articles and on his own website (which no longer exists) and now there is a permanent record as long as Google and YouTube exist.

Sometimes as reporters we interview people and report on things we don't agree with. I've interviewed many, many presidential candidates I didn't vote for but always gave them a fair shake. I've interviewed both sides on the abortion issue -- fairly. That's what reporters do.
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October 27th, 2013 at 7:33:41 AM permalink
In both 10/6 and 9/6 DDB with a hand such as...

10♣ J♣ Q♣ Q♦ 4♠

...the correct play is to hold the 3 to a royal.
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October 27th, 2013 at 8:15:11 AM permalink
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In both 10/6 and 9/6 DDB with a hand such as...

10¢À J¢À Q¢À Q♦ 4¢¼

...the correct play is to hold the 3 to a royal.



Hmm, my strategy sheet that I play with says hold the pair.
If the 3 to the royal is a KQJ then my sheet says throw away the pair.
This is off the wiz's odds site. I print it out and play with it.

does the suit of the 4 factor in to this as a penalty card. If the 4 was a club, maybe keep the pair because keeping 3 to royal and throwing away 4 of clubs would be a penalty in maybe hitting a flush?
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October 27th, 2013 at 8:51:41 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Quote: JB

In both 10/6 and 9/6 DDB with a hand such as...

10¢À J¢À Q¢À Q♦ 4¢¼

...the correct play is to hold the 3 to a royal.



Hmm, my strategy sheet that I play with says hold the pair.
If the 3 to the royal is a KQJ then my sheet says throw away the pair.
This is off the wiz's odds site. I print it out and play with it.

does the suit of the 4 factor in to this as a penalty card. If the 4 was a club, maybe keep the pair because keeping 3 to royal and throwing away 4 of clubs would be a penalty in maybe hitting a flush?



In JB's example, the 4 is in spades. I'm pretty sure the Wiz's strategy says hold suited 10-J-Q over the pair in this case, but I'll double-check.
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October 27th, 2013 at 8:56:02 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Quote: terapined

Quote: JB

In both 10/6 and 9/6 DDB with a hand such as...

10¢À J¢À Q¢À Q♦ 4¢¼

...the correct play is to hold the 3 to a royal.



Hmm, my strategy sheet that I play with says hold the pair.
If the 3 to the royal is a KQJ then my sheet says throw away the pair.
This is off the wiz's odds site. I print it out and play with it.

does the suit of the 4 factor in to this as a penalty card. If the 4 was a club, maybe keep the pair because keeping 3 to royal and throwing away 4 of clubs would be a penalty in maybe hitting a flush?



In JB's example, the 4 is in spades. I'm pretty sure the Wiz's strategy says hold suited 10-J-Q over the pair in this case, but I'll double-check.



the way I read it, is to hold QQ because of the 10. If it is JQK or QKA then you hold the 3.
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October 27th, 2013 at 9:05:39 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Quote: beachbumbabs

Quote: terapined

Quote: JB

In both 10/6 and 9/6 DDB with a hand such as...

10¢À J¢À Q¢À Q♦ 4¢¼

...the correct play is to hold the 3 to a royal.



Hmm, my strategy sheet that I play with says hold the pair.
If the 3 to the royal is a KQJ then my sheet says throw away the pair.
This is off the wiz's odds site. I print it out and play with it.

does the suit of the 4 factor in to this as a penalty card. If the 4 was a club, maybe keep the pair because keeping 3 to royal and throwing away 4 of clubs would be a penalty in maybe hitting a flush?



In JB's example, the 4 is in spades. I'm pretty sure the Wiz's strategy says hold suited 10-J-Q over the pair in this case, but I'll double-check.



the way I read it, is to hold QQ because of the 10. If it is JQK or QKA then you hold the 3.



You're right, thanks; the extra money card makes the difference. I think I'd have to risk it, though. It's on DW that it's correct to hold them.
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October 27th, 2013 at 9:29:00 AM permalink
Quote: JB

In both 10/6 and 9/6 DDB with a hand such as...

10¢À J¢À Q¢À Q♦ 4¢¼

...the correct play is to hold the 3 to a royal.



I'll be darned, I was right!
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