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October 26th, 2022 at 6:18:44 AM permalink
The plural of foot is feet,
The plural of tooth is teeth
The plural of goose is geese.

Why isn't the plural of moose meese?
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October 26th, 2022 at 6:27:33 AM permalink
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The plural of foot is feet,
The plural of tooth is teeth
The plural of goose is geese.

Why isn't the plural of moose meese?
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October 26th, 2022 at 6:32:37 AM permalink
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I love questions like this. Language is such a funny thing.

I also like how the meaning and imagery of phrases change over time.

The die is cast. Famous phrase supposedly uttered by Caesar in reference to crossing the Rubicon (which itself becomes another famous phrase).

A modern person may think of a die tumbling through the air. The outcome is still undetermined as the die spins.

A person back in Roman times would have played dice games with a cup. So the cup would be turned over. The die would be settled and the outcome determined, but not yet known because the cup covers the die.

Subtly different meaning.

Though in this case “the die is cast” turns out to be a mistranslation of what Caesar supposedly said. The more accurate translation is “let the die be cast”, which means a completely different third thing. Let’s take a chance and play the game.
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October 26th, 2022 at 6:56:47 AM permalink
We hold these treeth to be self-evident . . .
So many better men, a few of them friends, are dead. And a thousand thousand slimy things live on, and so do I.
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October 26th, 2022 at 6:58:40 AM permalink
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The plural of foot is feet,
The plural of tooth is teeth
The plural of goose is geese.

Why isn't the plural of moose meese?
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One mouse, two mice.
One house, two hice.
One spouse, two spice?
May the cards fall in your favor.
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October 26th, 2022 at 7:02:54 AM permalink
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We hold these treeth to be self-evident . . .
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Thank you, sir.

I shall have medial S's on the brain for the next 75 hours.
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October 26th, 2022 at 7:34:33 AM permalink
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https://www.languagepacifica.com/post/all-geese-and-no-meese

I love questions like this. Language is such a funny thing.

I also like how the meaning and imagery of phrases change over time.

The die is cast. Famous phrase supposedly uttered by Caesar in reference to crossing the Rubicon (which itself becomes another famous phrase).

A modern person may think of a die tumbling through the air. The outcome is still undetermined as the die spins.

A person back in Roman times would have played dice games with a cup. So the cup would be turned over. The die would be settled and the outcome determined, but not yet known because the cup covers the die.

Subtly different meaning.

Though in this case “the die is cast” turns out to be a mistranslation of what Caesar supposedly said. The more accurate translation is “let the die be cast”, which means a completely different third thing. Let’s take a chance and play the game.
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Because of my Dads work, I attended two high schools. In my Freshman and half my Senior year I attended a private Boys' Catholic school, but my middle years were spent in a public school.

In Catholic school, we were taught JCs words had an entirely different meaning. When you make coins, you cast a die and when you are finished, they break the die so you can't use it anymore. So we were taught that by JC coming to the Rubicon, he had an irreversible decision. If he crossed the river, he would either be victorious or he'd be dead. In other words- his decision was final and set in stone. Thus, the die is cast. Not a word about gambling.
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October 26th, 2022 at 7:39:46 AM permalink
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October 26th, 2022 at 8:15:08 AM permalink
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A modern person may think of a die tumbling through the air. The outcome is still undetermined as the die spins.

A person back in Roman times would have played dice games with a cup. So the cup would be turned over. The die would be settled and the outcome determined, but not yet known because the cup covers the die.

Subtly different meaning.
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The only way I have ever understood this phrase is the second meaning.

"The die is cast," i.e., the decision is over. The die can not be unrolled.
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October 26th, 2022 at 12:32:12 PM permalink
The theatrical expression: "Break a leg" also has a different meaning. It originates from when stages had oil-burning pots as footlamps on their front edge that were called a "leg" (for some reason that I am unfamiliar with.) The expression "break a leg" refers to kicking an oil-lamp as you are on stage rather than breaking a bone.
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October 26th, 2022 at 12:49:47 PM permalink
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Why isn't the plural of moose meese?




Mr. Jinks from the old Huckleberry Hound cartoons - but that was the plural of mice - not moose







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October 26th, 2022 at 12:58:03 PM permalink
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A modern person may think of a die tumbling through the air.




"Oh my, my, my, I'm the lone crap shooter
Playin' the field ev'ry night
Baby, I can't stay
You got to roll me and call me the tumblin' dice (Call me the tumblin')
Got to roll me (ya yes), got to roll me, got to roll me (Oh yeah)"







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