Members on multiple forums

I've noticed several members on other casino and gambling forums with the same avatars or names. Not to say anything bad but to me some of them seem like they have a completely different outlook and personality from forum to forum.

Why is that?

Quote: Marcusclark66

I've noticed several members on other casino and gambling forums with the same avatars or names. Not to say anything bad but to me some of them seem like they have a completely different outlook and personality from forum to forum.

Why is that?

Speaking for myself, I post under my actual name on forums (R.E. Dietz), so I treat everything like normal conversations. I'm probably ultra-consistent across forums.

KewlJ is certainly consistent across forums.

Can't really comment on anyone else.

Reminder that quoting messages from banned members is against WoV rules. Even with non-banned members, I am not big on quoting from other forums and see it as a mild form of trolling.

It's just in context of the forum they're on. If someone is allowed to say anything, they'll say it just because they can. I know in private things are said just because in the way a tree falling in the woods makes no sound if nobody is there to hear it, people like slurs just to say them.

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It's just in context of the forum they're on. If someone is allowed to say anything, they'll say it just because they can. I know in private things are said just because in the way a tree falling in the woods makes no sound if nobody is there to hear it, people like slurs just to say them.

I believe you are correct. I didn't mention any forum names or member names so please remember that if you're reading this thread.

I have looked at various forums and I've noticed some very popular people being banned from one or possibly suspended whatever the case might be and then they go on to another one and say some things that are just about 180 degrees from what they've said on the first forum. And on occasion they even go back on to that first forum once they are allowed to, as if nothing ever happened and everyone's their best friend again.

Friends are overrated.

I said in a very early blog entry, ""Somewhere in this brief entry, I refer to a lesbian as 'ballsy.' If this offends anyone, I am ecstatic. My goal in life is to offend as many people as possible in the time I have left."

For example, I thought, based on the reputation this forum has, that many posters here would have high stakes gambling experience and expertise, kind of like kewlJ. I was wrong.

Quote: redietz

For example, I thought, based on the reputation this forum has, that many posters here would have high stakes gambling experience and expertise, kind of like kewlJ. I was wrong.

I am not high stakes. "Expertise" = debatable. Any expertise I may have is in a very narrow area.

Other players that do have a real expertise, whether they play professional or not have just stopped or reduced participation on all these forums. Forums have changed. Everything is now a big pissing contest.

But thanks for the kind words Red.

Despite the above, this forum is still better than anything out there gambling and Las Vegas related.

It seems counter-intuitive but the best gamblers I've met in Vegas aren't high stakes players.

Quote: kewlj

I am not high stakes. "Expertise" = debatable. Any expertise I may have is in a very narrow area.

Other players that do have a real expertise, whether they play professional or not have just stopped or reduced participation on all these forums. Forums have changed. Everything is now a big pissing contest.

But thanks for the kind words Red.

Despite the above, this forum is still better than anything out there gambling and Las Vegas related.

You're probably right about it being the best forum, but that's kind of like being the best hoops player in South Dakota.

Technically, kewlJ, based on overall volume of bets, you are a high stakes player whether you want to acknowledge that or not.

As far as "narrow area," -- yeah, well the people who actually win lifetime have expertise in "narrow areas." That's why they call it expertise. Where experts get into trouble (a la Stu Ungar or Phil Ivey) is when they step outside of that "narrow area." You don't see many podiatrists claiming to be covid experts. That's the way expertise works.

Quote: billryan

It seems counter-intuitive but the best gamblers I've met in Vegas aren't high stakes players.

Well, there's a paradox here that should be mentioned. If you're going to define "gambling," then the significance of what's at stake comes into play. Is betting three cents on a game "gambling?" Is stepping off a curb (and I mention this only because I severely damaged my knee while stepping off a curb -- LOL) and risking injury "gambling?"

My point is that if you aren't immersing yourself into amounts that matter (either personally or on some base general cultural level), is what you are doing actually "gambling?" Or is it recreational score-keeping masturbation against the casino? If you're not wagering enough to have to deal with the psychology of wagering and maintaining even keel while immersed in some kind of pressure, those are elements of "real gambling" that you have not been trained to deal with, so in a sense, those are skills you have not learned, no matter how good your theoretical chess club abilities.

It's the difference between card counting at the kitchen table (or a low stakes casino table) and doing it as a livelihood. Practical matters.

Quote: Marcusclark66

I've noticed several members on other casino and gambling forums with the same avatars or names. Not to say anything bad but to me some of them seem like they have a completely different outlook and personality from forum to forum.

Why is that?

I think you would have to analyze each person individually to figure it/them out.

For the most part, I think one of the main reasons is the rules here don't allow for personal insults. Then you have people who's trolling partners and sock puppets have been banned from this site thus eliminating their ability to gang up on their targets.

Quote: Marcusclark66

I've noticed several members on other casino and gambling forums with the same avatars or names. Not to say anything bad but to me some of them seem like they have a completely different outlook and personality from forum to forum.

Why is that?

I’m technically a Member at two others, though I don’t participate too often at them.

Any difference is mainly in my language because uncensored profanity is mostly forbidden here.

I was referring more to talking bad, talking down about one forum and its members on another forum and then coming back to that original forum and being like everyone's best friend and pretending like nothing ever happened.

Or going on other forums to do what was mentioned earlier in this post by another member here, which was to join a circle of members for the purpose of ganging up on someone.

Along those lines

Quote: Marcusclark66

I was referring more to talking bad, talking down about one forum and its members on another forum and then coming back to that original forum and being like everyone's best friend and pretending like nothing ever happened.

Or going on other forums to do what was mentioned earlier in this post by another member here, which was to join a circle of members for the purpose of ganging up on someone.

Along those lines

Talking about anyone in particular? :/

The only two forums I look at regularly are here and Diversity.

Quote: DRich

The only two forums I look at regularly are here and Diversity.

And I bet you're not concerned with their Sexla ratings are you?

Quote: Marcusclark66

And I bet you're not concerned with their Sexla ratings are you?

I have no idea what a Sexla rating is.

Quote: redietz

For example, I thought, based on the reputation this forum has, that many posters here would have high stakes gambling experience and expertise, kind of like kewlJ. I was wrong.

I don't think that gambling for high stakes would in and of itself make someone an expert on this forum or in blackjack. You might learn from someone who plays often and has learned a lot about the game but plays for "quarters". I learned nothing from the person I watched lose almost 6 figures at a BJ table who didn't seem to know basic strategy. Though I wish I had his bankroll. The author of Beat the Dealer didn't actually play for "high stakes" but dollars. Do you think that because he didn't that he had nothing to offer to the BJ world?

I'm not trying to criticize you truthfully, I just am trying to point out that high stakes and knowledge or expertise are not necessarily directly proportional.

Yeah, it's an interesting subject. In a sense, it's all relative, but maybe not. It comes down, I guess, as most things do, to definitions. I'm thinking out loud here.

For example, I'm sure Billy Walters (who I worked with/for more than 20 years ago) would turn his nose up at what I consider "high stakes gambling." But I also remember back in the '70's, when surveys were done of how many Americans bet how much on sports, anything above $50 a pop put you in a very rare category, believe it or not. I think if you were to survey Americans today as to what constitutes "serious" gambling or "high stakes" gambling, there would be a kind of cultural consensus. So let me get back to that.

I guess what I was trying more or less to say is a two-part theme. First, is betting for pennies or shoelaces actually "gambling?" My inclination would be to say no. Even if the proverbial chess club-type technically proficient person is displaying pristine math judgement and such, is he or she "gambling?' if he's betting a buck a hand? Well, he's gambling, but really, there should be a semblance of material significance to call something gambling.

Now sure, the recreational brain dead folks who slop around throwing money away could benefit by adopting what the low stakes pristine chess club-type player does. But I didn't expect a lot of brain dead, slopping-around people to be on this forum in the first place. So what surprised me is the lack of higher stakes players. Now the problem with taking actual gambling advice from people playing for shoelaces is that the people playing with shoelaces have never put themselves in the psychological situations or stress/performance situations that professional gamblers find themselves in every day. I think Stanford studies referred to state dependent or situational memory. People who haven't gambled for higher stakes haven't negotiated the reality of that.

I'm not knocking chess club expertise. I'm just saying that the low stakes theoreticians are missing a whole range of experience with skills that entail actual action. It's like learning to throw dummy hand grenades and then throwing the live ones. It's different. My take on this may seem severe, but actually my girlfriend, who has headed high stakes gambling teams, thinks I give the chess-clubbers way too much credit. She thinks if you stick the chess clubbers in live action with a boatload of money at stake, they routinely are overwhelmed.

Quote: redietz

She thinks if you stick the chess clubbers in live action with a boatload of money at stake, they routinely are overwhelmed.

They say the same is true with golf gamblers. The professional golfers have a lot more trouble and pressureplaying when they can lose money. On the PGA tour they just win money or get nothing if they do poorly, if they are gambling for high stakes they have the potential of losing their own money and may choke some shots.

An unemployed dad is using the rent money to play blackjack at $5 a hand vs. a trust fund kid trying to decide to keep the hooker another few hours or go play blackjack at $100 a hand. Which of them is playing at higher stakes?

D Rich and Rdietz:

Yep, I guess a psychological analysis would be interesting. I think I tend to agree with you as to your definition of "gambling". It may NOT be gambling but just playing if you can't FEEL the pain a bit if you lose. Under this definition, the ultra rich guy playing heavy black is not gambling v. the red chip player who is betting his rent money. It's relative...........like the biblical story of the widow donating a few cents in the offering v. the rich person. She gave ALL she had. His donation was absolutely higher in monetary value but didn't affect him one bit. So maybe it's all relative. All I can say is that my biggest loss and win on a trip was the value of an automobile at the time. Is that high stakes? Not sure but I would venture that I definitely know more about blackjack than "johnny off the streets" and some players who bet a lot more than me.

As to the golf analogy, I can personally speak for that. It's totally different to play in a tournament for someone else's money. The feeling is TOTALLY different when it's your OWN money on the line. I have seen players who play well when it's a tournament but get them in a betting situation where they have to reach into their own pocket to pay if they lose, and they start shaking like a leaf. I used to play a guy often for $50 Nassaus that was truly a better player than me. But I always or usually beat him because that sort of money bothered him. It psyched him out. In the older days before they were rich and played for bigger purses, PGA players would play gambling games v. others for money......their own. Raymond Floyd was infamous for it as was Lee Trevino before he was famous. Trevino, (I'm paraphrasing) said something along the lines of real pressure is standing over a three foot putt to win or lose when the bet is $100 and you only have $20 in your pocket............He joked it was much harder than playing in a tournament for 100's of thousands for SOMEONE else's money.

MJ, great you mentioned Trevino. I just logged out and logged back in to mention Trevino as being a real gambler. Allegedly, he was better at the gambling than the tournament golfing, which is saying something. He had the advantage of being a non-mesomorph "wetback," so I'm sure he was able to wrangle a lot of money in his day from the rich white boys.

Honestly, I was about to spout about Trevino, and you had already posted.

Quote: billryan

An unemployed dad is using the rent money to play blackjack at $5 a hand vs. a trust fund kid trying to decide to keep the hooker another few hours or go play blackjack at $100 a hand. Which of them is playing at higher stakes?

There's definitely a relative component, but I think we can all agree there is a floor below which it's not really "gambling" in a cultural sense.

But then again, there are always non-material resources at stake. Prestige, reputation, relationships -- the question is whether "gambling" as a term should recognize these non-material resources. For example, for decades, I didn't take on people I knew personally as partners because it added too much pressure. Eventually (it comes with aging and not giving a ****), I didn't care about it enough to consider it "pressure."

I wanted to add, also, that when I put two games a week out in the Wise Guys Contest, which I've done for 30-some years, I feel the pressure of being public. I have 24 hours to come up with two games. Thousands of people are going to see them. Not only is my reputation at stake, and after 30 years pressure builds for that, but people are betting real hard earned money on them. So that is a kind of gambling beyond money. That kind of pressure is different from sitting somewhere anonymously and putting out a lineup. I'm perpetually horrified at the prospect that someday, somewhere (and it has never happened), I'll come out of the gate 0-10 or 0-12 or something. Now, I've had many a 1-9 day simply betting, and have lost eight in a row, but the idea of doing it at two-games-a-week in a public contest that defines me -- that is a horror in the back of my head every time a football season starts up.

A reminder:

I've noticed several members on other casino and gambling forums with the same avatars or names. Not to say anything bad but to me some of them seem like they have a completely different outlook and personality from forum to forum.

Nothing to do with gambling high stakes. A reminder, thanks and sending you a, Your Welcome.

Quote: Marcusclark66

A reminder:

I've noticed several members on other casino and gambling forums with the same avatars or names. Not to say anything bad but to me some of them seem like they have a completely different outlook and personality from forum to forum.

Nothing to do with gambling high stakes. A reminder, thanks and sending you a, Your Welcome.

So threads divert a little. Ban us........LOL Sometimes interesting thoughts come up from responses that are not directly on point. But a good point started from the multiple member line about some not being true gamblers or with high expertise. It may not be directly on point but it came from discussion on the thread.

Have a little patience.........why should someone start a new thread on a branch to your subject?

As to multiple posters/forums, I try to keep the same name on the forums I'm on.........with the same personality. Because it's just freakin' easier..........LOL

Gotcha MJGolf.

Copied from another thread on this forum. I did not even know about this one and I found his stuff just a couple minutes ago on another forum, typical full time fictional writer is what the consensus would have to be.

"This individual was trashing the WofV forum for several reasons after being evicted. Low traffic, no traffic, not worthy of his time. Camped at other forums all the while trashing wofv.

Once the ban was lifted, he’s right back here.

That’s back stabbing stuff in my book. Trashes you behind your back. Then meets you again and tries to play it off.

Sorry. No go in my book.

Not an individual I would associate with. I’m fine with burning the bridge if that’s your final send off. I’m not fine with the two faced stuff and crawling back."

Talks negatively about wov other places and I'm not mentioning where and then comes back here and says how he single handedly accounts for a rise in internet ratings at wov.

To say conservatively ROMAFL!

It was suggested to me to understand lawyers. So they've been showing the OJ 25 on TV the last few days and I went on and did some research about lawyers and now I do understand lawyers.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gca4EBoWFis&t=1s

And then the judge sanctions and fines the prosecutors for their actions and Marcia Clark gets up and almost breaks out into tears to the judge about the defense lawyers have never been fined. Like two little kids crying to mommy about what the other one did!

Here read the following. Lawyers with such personal hatred of each other.

DA Garcetti Publicly Slams Judge Ito for ‘Vindictive,’ ‘Petty’ Monetary Sanction

GIL GARCETTI did something a district attorney would not normally do: He publicly lambasted a judge presiding over a felony trial in progress. It happened on Sept. 13, 1995, near the end of the nine-month-plus O.J. Simpson trial. Garcetti, at a 12:30 p.m. press conference, laced into Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Lance Ito.

Yet a month earlier, Garcetti had presided over an office strategy confab at which it was decided—with the final word being his—not to take an action that might have resulted in the jurist stepping aside or being ejected from the case.

Lambasting the Judge: Bill Boyarsky’s Los Angeles Times column of Sept. 14 tells of the previous day’s incident:

“With the fiercest blast heard from his 18th-floor office since the O.J. Simpson trial began, Garcetti ripped apart his old colleague, Lance A. Ito, once a deputy district attorney, now the world-famous ringmaster of the Trial of the Century.

“Dropping caution, Garcetti condemned Ito for levying a $1,000 fine on the prosecution. Ito had fined the prosecutors $250 for failing to show up for an early morning hearing and when Deputy Dist. Atty. Marcia Clark objected, he quadrupled the penalty.

“ ‘What the judge did today was outrageous, it was vindictive, it was petty, it was uncalled-for,’ said Garcetti. He slammed his palm down on his rostrum for emphasis.

“It was a shocker for us who have faithfully sat through Garcetti’s monthly news conferences, often impatiently, while the D.A. fired off one generality after another.”

Garcetti was asked about a number of matters, Boyarsky recites, prior to a question to him about the monetary sanction Ito had imposed that morning. He quotes the DA as saying, “I’ll take a deep breath” before responding. The column continues:

“After calling Ito vindictive and petty, he said ‘this office will not pay this fine.’ If Ito doesn’t reduce it, ‘we will appeal.’

“A little later in the news conference, he said, ‘I’m not sure anyone can understand what this judge is doing....’ ”

On the afternoon of Sept. 13, Ito relented to the extent of restoring the initial sanction of $250 and, Boyarsky’s column says, “did it with a smile.”

Now I comprehend, each lawyer is right and everyone else is beneath them, ROMAFL.

Quote: Marcusclark66

Copied from another thread on this forum. I did not even know about this one and I found his stuff just a couple minutes ago on another forum, typical full time fictional writer is what the consensus would have to be.

"This individual was trashing the WofV forum for several reasons after being evicted. Low traffic, no traffic, not worthy of his time. Camped at other forums all the while trashing wofv.

Once the ban was lifted, he’s right back here.

That’s back stabbing stuff in my book. Trashes you behind your back. Then meets you again and tries to play it off.

Sorry. No go in my book.

Not an individual I would associate with. I’m fine with burning the bridge if that’s your final send off. I’m not fine with the two faced stuff and crawling back."

Talks negatively about wov other places and I'm not mentioning where and then comes back here and says how he single handedly accounts for a rise in internet ratings at wov.

To say conservatively ROMAFL!

+1000

Quote: Marcusclark66

A reminder:

I've noticed several members on other casino and gambling forums with the same avatars or names. Not to say anything bad but to me some of them seem like they have a completely different outlook and personality from forum to forum.

Nothing to do with gambling high stakes. A reminder, thanks and sending you a, Your Welcome.

Some people are the exact same nut jobs across multiple forums.