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November 17th, 2010 at 12:58:50 PM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

Here's a flash mkl: It takes you 9 weeks to earn $10,000 as a teacher, but it's about one tenth my annual bonus which I'll be getting in a few weeks and I have no trips planned for a while. So as far as more $$$ for you "AP's", why don't you just beg me for some and I'll give it a little of that "intense thought".



So you earn more money than I do. So what? Does that mean you're more of a manly man that I am? I provide a much greater service to society than you do. And for what it's worth, I'm a far, far better person than you. In every possible way. I tried treating you as if you were a decent human being, yet, you couldn't stop the personal attacks for even one day.

And by the way, all that moolah you make, and my relatively modest income, mean that you blow $5000 every time you visit Vegas, and I make $500. So whoever pays you is, in reality, paying the casinos.
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November 17th, 2010 at 1:07:08 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

So you earn more money than I do. So what? Does that mean you're more of a manly man that I am? I provide a much greater service to society than you do. And for what it's worth, I'm a far, far better person than you. In every possible way. I tried treating you as if you were a decent human being, yet, you couldn't stop the personal attacks for even one day.

And by the way, all that moolah you make, and my relatively modest income, mean that you blow $5000 every time you visit Vegas, and I make $500. So whoever pays you is, in reality, paying the casinos.



Yes. it means I'm much more successful than you and yes, it means I'm a manly man compared to you. Tell us why you're not married mkl, go ahead....tell us why.

Teaching is a good service, but if it were considered THAT good you'd be better paid. Overall in society, people get what they're worth and they all have a choice of what path to take. OTOH, what I do is create effective measures for a multitude of products from food to tinker toys to get from the manufacturers & distributors to the consumers, and that's what makes this country run. Without our services some schools couldn't open their doors. Think about it.

If you were making moolah gambling you wouldn't be stuck looking to stay in the El Cortez. You're so easy to shred.
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November 18th, 2010 at 8:31:18 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

No, I didn't say "all company executives". (I am continually amazed at why people indignantly ask me why I said something that I, in fact, never said.) I referred to specifically the profession Jerry purports to practice--trucking company executive.

And to answer your question with that in mind, I would ask you to imagine what the world would be like tomorrow if all the trucking company executives disappeared. Now imagine what it would be like if all the teachers disappeared.



I got an answer! Trucks wouldn't roll because of mass chaos, you wouldn't get your books, your replacement air conditioners, oil for heat, etc. etc., and many of the children's fathers would be out of work, in prisons for stealing money for food, or just staying home self-teaching their kids.

No teachers? Why don't you compare apples to apples. You mean no Principals. Or else use no truckers. Oh wait, even truckers make more than teachers. OMG!
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November 18th, 2010 at 9:56:32 PM permalink
This pissing contest about who's job is the best is just awesome, guys.

For the record, I earn less than JerryLogan too, so count me in as less of a man than him.
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November 18th, 2010 at 10:06:01 PM permalink
Quote: ElectricDreams

This pissing contest about who's job is the best is just awesome, guys.

For the record, I earn less than JerryLogan too, so count me in as less of a man than him.



Yep. The only thing that matters is how much money you make. That, and the $10,000 football bets you make, and the trips to Vegas where you lose $20,000 or more. The only TRUE MEASURE OF MANHOOD is how big your paycheck is, and oh yes....how little you tip.
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November 18th, 2010 at 11:17:31 PM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

The only thing that matters is how much money you make. That, and the $10,000 football bets you make, and the trips to Vegas where you lose $20,000 or more. The only TRUE MEASURE OF MANHOOD is how big your paycheck is, and oh yes....how little you tip.



Don't forget that the number of worthless posts you have on the WOV website is at the top of the list. I'm only at about 25 or so but you my friend are without a doubt the king. Congratulations in advance for achieving your ultimate goal of being the most prolific poster. I'm sure somewhere along the way you'll make some positive contributions but in the mean time I applaud your tenacity.

By the way, I'd like to see a copy of Jerry's ticket (or tickets) posted here prior to the game so that we can all cheer him on (or root against him... your choice) and know that he's not just making up stories. You wouldn't do that, would you Jerry?
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November 18th, 2010 at 11:55:47 PM permalink
Quote: TheNightfly

Don't forget that the number of worthless posts you have on the WOV website is at the top of the list. I'm only at about 25 or so but you my friend are without a doubt the king. Congratulations in advance for achieving your ultimate goal of being the most prolific poster. I'm sure somewhere along the way you'll make some positive contributions but in the mean time I applaud your tenacity.

By the way, I'd like to see a copy of Jerry's ticket (or tickets) posted here prior to the game so that we can all cheer him on (or root against him... your choice) and know that he's not just making up stories. You wouldn't do that, would you Jerry?



"Worthless" is a subjective term, and I very much doubt that any except two specific posters--and you--would characterize my posts as such. If you haven't see any positive contributions by me, well...you're not very perceptive. Or...God forbid...you're biased in your perceptions.

In any case, this most recent post by you hardly rates as a "positive contribution". If you're going to do nothing but rave at me, insult me, and make things up about me, then you're just another JerryLogan.

I don't have a goal of being most prolific poster, and you will be incorrect in saying that even if you say it fifty more times.
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November 19th, 2010 at 3:51:51 AM permalink
My answer to the title of this thread in no way diminishes the importance or value of a trucking executive or any other job.

Teaching is one of the most laudable if not THE most laudable job there is. Who do you think taught the trucking executive?

Some of the comments here remind me of that bumper sticker that reads : He who dies with the most toys wins. How sad.
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November 19th, 2010 at 4:39:27 AM permalink
Quote: TheNightfly



By the way, I'd like to see a copy of Jerry's ticket (or tickets) posted here prior to the game so that we can all cheer him on (or root against him... your choice) and know that he's not just making up stories. You wouldn't do that, would you Jerry?



You remind me of those who don't want it to be that someone can make such a bet because you probably cannot. I think that's called "sour grapes".

Please lead me to the thread that is there for ticket-posting-purposes so I may include my combo of bets within. I made these bets online & through someone in LV so I need instructions or an example on how to post them.
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November 19th, 2010 at 5:02:59 AM permalink
Quote: ElectricDreams

For the record, I earn less than JerryLogan too, so count me in as less of a man than him.


My wife earns more than him though. OMG, she must be a manly man!
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November 19th, 2010 at 5:27:15 AM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

"Worthless" is a subjective term, and I very much doubt that any except two specific posters--and you--would characterize my posts as such. If you haven't see any positive contributions by me, well...you're not very perceptive. Or...God forbid...you're biased in your perceptions..



No worthless quotes!!!

Quote: mkl

Yep. The only thing that matters is how much money you make. That, and the $10,000 football bets you make, and the trips to Vegas where you lose $20,000 or more. The only TRUE MEASURE OF MANHOOD is how big your paycheck is, and oh yes....how little you tip.



Quote: mkl

No, I didn't say "all company executives". (I am continually amazed at why people indignantly ask me why I said something that I, in fact, never said.) I referred to specifically the profession Jerry purports to practice--trucking company executive.

And to answer your question with that in mind, I would ask you to imagine what the world would be like tomorrow if all the trucking company executives disappeared. Now imagine what it would be like if all the teachers disappeared.



Quote: mkl

Why do you think that I am a fictional movie character? Do you have that tenuous a grip on reality?



As much as I enjoy the banter back and forth between JerryLogan and mkl and Evenbob, what's the point? The three of you have some decent observations, but so much more is just worthless crap that I don't want to read. It would be just fantastic if one of you could turn on your blocking mechanism and just "turn the other cheek". I suspect however that this is somehow fun for all of you.
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November 19th, 2010 at 5:31:09 AM permalink
It's disrespectful to say being a teacher makes you less of a person, just because you make less money. Isn't that what the Wizard does... teaches? I may be incorrect, but I surmise the Wizard makes less money in the teaching of gambling facts and figures via his website than a traditional school teacher makes in the classroom.

I also submit that being a sour, bitter troll makes one less of a person. I have no personal beef with anyone on this message board, but when 90+% of a user's posts are nothing more than accusations, passive-aggressive comments, snide remarks, and general bile and vitriol, it shows the true measure of one's worth. I'm sure there's an Aesop's Fable or an Afterschool Special that mirrors this sentiment, but it's obvious from statements made here that salary and wealth does not make you liked, nor popular.

I know, I know, I've fallen into the trap, as it were. "Don't Feed The Trolls!", cries the masses. "It's what they want you to do! They crave attention, positive or negative!" I believe that it gives solace to the silent members that at least one person is standing up, and saying what they are thinking. It may be the majority, it may only be a handful. It may be a paraphrase of the sentiment. I'm just grateful for the chance to say it.
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November 19th, 2010 at 6:37:07 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

worthless crap that I don't want to read.


yet, you still do ... :)
Don't you wonder why?
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November 19th, 2010 at 6:44:58 AM permalink
Quote: weaselman

Quote: boymimbo

worthless crap that I don't want to read.

yet, you still do ... :)
Don't you wonder why?

Maybe it's like the way he looks at debris scattered on the road he is trying to drive. He wants to look at the road, but he would really, really prefer that the debris wasn't there at all.

Just my guess.
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November 19th, 2010 at 6:51:30 AM permalink
Quote: Dween

It's disrespectful to say being a teacher makes you less of a person, just because you make less money. Isn't that what the Wizard does... teaches? I may be incorrect, but I surmise the Wizard makes less money in the teaching of gambling facts and figures via his website than a traditional school teacher makes in the classroom.

I also submit that being a sour, bitter troll makes one less of a person. I have no personal beef with anyone on this message board, but when 90+% of a user's posts are nothing more than accusations, passive-aggressive comments, snide remarks, and general bile and vitriol, it shows the true measure of one's worth. I'm sure there's an Aesop's Fable or an Afterschool Special that mirrors this sentiment, but it's obvious from statements made here that salary and wealth does not make you liked, nor popular.

I know, I know, I've fallen into the trap, as it were. "Don't Feed The Trolls!", cries the masses. "It's what they want you to do! They crave attention, positive or negative!" I believe that it gives solace to the silent members that at least one person is standing up, and saying what they are thinking. It may be the majority, it may only be a handful. It may be a paraphrase of the sentiment. I'm just grateful for the chance to say it.



That's just goofy.
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November 19th, 2010 at 6:54:57 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

Maybe it's like the way he looks at debris scattered on the road he is trying to drive. He wants to look at the road, but he would really, really prefer that the debris wasn't there at all.

Just my guess.



Well these "debris" aren't exactly "on the road" he is driving on though. One has to go a little bit out of one's way to click on the the thread (already knowing who started it), read through a full page of posts, and then take time to write a response.
It's more than just looking at the debris, more like stopping your car in the middle of the road, and getting out to take a really good look, isn't it?
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November 19th, 2010 at 7:08:21 AM permalink
Quote: weaselman

My wife earns more than him though. OMG, she must be a manly man!



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November 19th, 2010 at 7:27:15 AM permalink
The country wouldn't run without truckers and those who manage trucking and dispatch firms. We'd be Somalia with out them, starving and freezing in our apartment hovels. If Jerry makes the big bucks in a very rough business, more power to him. So what if he comes off as a passive-aggessive obstinant opinionated SOB. We all are that at times here! So, God bless those Mother Truckers!

I was a formerly high school math teacher. I believe that education really begins at home. If you'd seen some of these lil' gangtas, you'd know that teachers cannot turn a sow's ear into a silk purse, as noble a field that it is. I prefer gamblers to little gangtas.
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November 19th, 2010 at 7:27:23 AM permalink
Quote: weaselman

Well these "debris" aren't exactly "on the road" he is driving on though. One has to go a little bit out of one's way to click on the the thread (already knowing who started it), read through a full page of posts, and then take time to write a response.
It's more than just looking at the debris, more like stopping your car in the middle of the road, and getting out to take a really good look, isn't it?

Perhaps my analogy was not clear enough. While on this forum, we click threads to read a topic that is usually related to Las Vegas or gambling. In most cases, the title of the thread gives a hint about the topic. But far too often, we start reading about a topic and keep getting our reading interrupted by irrelevant rants and slurs. Then maybe there are a few really on-topic posts, followed by more rants, taunts, profanity and such. If you want to read about the topic (analogy: drive down the road), then you wind up wading through some nasty crud (analogy: look at the debris). Was it really so unclear what I meant? And yes, sometimes one gets baited into posting a response (very weak analogy: driving over that loose melon just sitting there in the middle of the road). Sometimes that may be done as an act of frustration with how much the debris has piled up.
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November 19th, 2010 at 7:39:23 AM permalink
Good lord, it's come to this.

Let me ask... does the result of this internet vote become official? If we decide one, or the other, by a majority; does the winner get to wear a badge or something? Do all of that profession get a decal for their car? "I'm better than a trucking executive!"

"TRUCKING EXECUTIVES! teachers... get used to it!"
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November 19th, 2010 at 8:01:32 AM permalink
I'll send a feather to the winner of the poll that the winner may put in his cap.

Lest anybody not know, I moved these posts here from another thread, which went off on a tangent. I would never pose such a question myself.
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November 19th, 2010 at 8:42:48 AM permalink
There's one problem. While MKL asserts that I'm a trucking "executive" I'm nothing of the sort. I am a regional vp of ops who works mainly from home, unlike any executive of the trucking industry would. But imagine the jealousy from MKL it I WERE what he's saying? His yearly salary would probably come in a month!

Either way, rolling trucks have a lot of importance. Not sure how to really relate that to teaching other than wht I've already said.
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November 19th, 2010 at 9:00:14 AM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

Either way, rolling trucks have a lot of importance. Not sure how to really relate that to teaching other than wht I've already said.

Perhaps one way would be like this: Without teachers, potential truck drivers would not likely be able to read and pass their exams for driver's licenses. Then there would be no trucking industry to require a VP of Operations. We'd be back to local markets only. For that matter, VP's of Operations (if they existed) would not be able to read the instruction manuals for their computers.

On the other hand, with local markets only, teachers might have difficulty getting enough food to eat in some parts of Oregon. Things work both ways.
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November 19th, 2010 at 9:25:54 AM permalink
Or how about this: Without teachers, trucking industry employees would have been successfully home-schooled by parents who care instead of people who get paid to do it.

I also do not think food would be an issue in Oregon. I've read where those people will hunt down and eat just about anything, and they don't allow their women to shave their legs just to scare the critters into paralysis.
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November 19th, 2010 at 9:45:13 AM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

You remind me of those who don't want it to be that someone can make such a bet because you probably cannot. I think that's called "sour grapes".

Please lead me to the thread that is there for ticket-posting-purposes so I may include my combo of bets within. I made these bets online & through someone in LV so I need instructions or an example on how to post them.



Actually, what it's called is, "There's a good chance that you're lying".

And do you seriously think that anyone here is jealous of someone who bets an absurd sum on a football game?
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November 19th, 2010 at 9:52:51 AM permalink
Quote: Doc

Perhaps one way would be like this: Without teachers, potential truck drivers would not likely be able to read and pass their exams for driver's licenses. Then there would be no trucking industry to require a VP of Operations. We'd be back to local markets only. For that matter, VP's of Operations (if they existed) would not be able to read the instruction manuals for their computers.

On the other hand, with local markets only, teachers might have difficulty getting enough food to eat in some parts of Oregon. Things work both ways.



I don't really know what Oregon has to do with all this, and the only reason it's even mentioned is that Jerry fastened on it because I said that I live there, so he started dissing the place. He would have insulted New Hampshire, Alaska, Oklahoma, or Michigan if I had said that I lived in any of those places instead.

But since you bring it up, just about anything grows here, and western Oregon was settled over 150 years ago by people who wanted to take advantage of that. Local markets have been feeding people here, and feeding them well, for decades. We export lots of food, and import relatively little.

Several post-apocalyptic movies have been set in Oregon, because mild climate and abundant rainfall make this state a plausible survival environment if everything did go to hell. So if there were no trucks/truckers, we would probably be in less distress than any other place except, say, California.
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November 19th, 2010 at 9:58:24 AM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

The country wouldn't run without truckers and those who manage trucking and dispatch firms. We'd be Somalia with out them, starving and freezing in our apartment hovels. If Jerry makes the big bucks in a very rough business, more power to him. So what if he comes off as a passive-aggessive obstinant opinionated SOB. We all are that at times here! So, God bless those Mother Truckers!

I was a formerly high school math teacher. I believe that education really begins at home. If you'd seen some of these lil' gangtas, you'd know that teachers cannot turn a sow's ear into a silk purse, as noble a field that it is. I prefer gamblers to little gangtas.



Without trucks, and other forms of modern surface-road transportation, we'd have distributive networks like those that existed in, say, 1890 (ignore or factor in railroads, either way). I would venture to say that the average American in 1890 lived better than the average Somali in 1990.
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November 19th, 2010 at 10:00:15 AM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

Or how about this: Without teachers, trucking industry employees would have been successfully home-schooled by parents who care instead of people who get paid to do it.

I also do not think food would be an issue in Oregon. I've read where those people will hunt down and eat just about anything, and they don't allow their women to shave their legs just to scare the critters into paralysis.



NEWS FLASH

Jerry, I don't actually live in Oregon. I live in Nebraska.

Please switch to insulting Nebraska now.
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November 19th, 2010 at 10:15:11 AM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

Yes. it means I'm much more successful than you and yes, it means I'm a manly man compared to you. Tell us why you're not married mkl, go ahead....tell us why..



If you're a bitter, abrasive, mean-spirited, acidic curmudgeon, and you make more money than me, then, yes, I am more successful than you. I have a job that I love, and am surrounded by students, colleagues and friends who together with myself, form a community. I make a perfectly reasonable salary, and I get TWELVE WEEKS' PAID VACATION. Do you get that, Jerry? And are you part of a community, and do you work with people who are pleasant and mutually respectful?

If being a manly man means being like you, Jerry, then I don't want to be one. You sit at a desk all day and scream at people over the radio. I stand in front of a blackboard and teach young people. I guess if I screamed at them instead, I would be more manly.

And you aren't ENTITLED to know the details of my personal life, if for no other reason that you would immediately fasten on WHATEVER I said as an excuse to tender some kind of lowlife insult. That is a certainty--you can't resist doing it. The reason why I am not married is very personal, and I don't feel inclined to discuss it. Feel free to be the person that you are, and speculate on that. It will only make you look that much lower in everyone's eyes.

And I make more money gambling than you, Jerry, precisely BECAUSE I go to the El Cortez and make $500, instead of, like you, going to Harrah's and dropping five grand. I guess that makes me more of a GAMBLING manly man than you. Neener neener neener.
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November 19th, 2010 at 10:19:50 AM permalink
Quote: JerryLogan

There's one problem. While MKL asserts that I'm a trucking "executive" I'm nothing of the sort. I am a regional vp of ops who works mainly from home, unlike any executive of the trucking industry would. But imagine the jealousy from MKL it I WERE what he's saying? His yearly salary would probably come in a month!

Either way, rolling trucks have a lot of importance. Not sure how to really relate that to teaching other than wht I've already said.



That has to be the funniest thing I've ever read--that I wish that I were JerryLogan!!

And as far as money goes, at the end of the year, I have more money than Jerry. He has told us himself that he blows anywhere from $5,000 to $20,000 on each trip to Vegas, which he takes several times a year. I make about $500/trip, and I probably go there just about as often as Jerry. I live by myself, and have very few expenses. Jerry spends a fortune on ladies' razors.
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November 19th, 2010 at 10:23:34 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I'll send a feather to the winner of the poll that the winner may put in his cap.

Lest anybody not know, I moved these posts here from another thread, which went off on a tangent. I would never pose such a question myself.



What poll?

In any case, the results would be meaningless. Both trucking and teaching are valuable, in their own ways. But teaching is somewhat more fundamental to society. We did without trucks for much of our history, as did all human societies until quite recently; some societies in the present still manage without trucks and trucking. But no human society has EVER managed to function without teachers.

I think the real question is whether society functions better with or without JerryLogans.
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November 19th, 2010 at 10:29:33 AM permalink
Can I put an entire thread on block?

It's like all the bloody minded assertions and bullshit in one place... and if can stay in there (a veritable cesspit as it were) it'd make the rest of the place smell a lot better (much like a cesspit does).

For the record, I am neither a teacher, or a trucker, or a VP of Ops or an executive. I don't care if other people think my job is worthwhile, laudable or well paid. I enjoy my job, get paid enough and get to live in best place in the world (best being entirely subjective). The women have razors too.
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November 19th, 2010 at 10:32:09 AM permalink
Quote: mkl654321

Actually, what it's called is, "There's a good chance that you're lying".

And do you seriously think that anyone here is jealous of someone who bets an absurd sum on a football game?



No MKL. They're jealous of someone who HAS that amount to make an "absurd" bet such as that.
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November 19th, 2010 at 10:35:49 AM permalink
No, the claim is that the sum is absurd, not the bet itself.
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November 19th, 2010 at 10:39:05 AM permalink
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If you're a bitter, abrasive, mean-spirited, acidic curmudgeon, and you make more money than me, then, yes, I am more successful than you. I have a job that I love, and am surrounded by students, colleagues and friends who together with myself, form a community. I make a perfectly reasonable salary, and I get TWELVE WEEKS' PAID VACATION. Do you get that, Jerry? And are you part of a community, and do you work with people who are pleasant and mutually respectful?

If being a manly man means being like you, Jerry, then I don't want to be one. You sit at a desk all day and scream at people over the radio. I stand in front of a blackboard and teach young people. I guess if I screamed at them instead, I would be more manly.

And you aren't ENTITLED to know the details of my personal life, if for no other reason that you would immediately fasten on WHATEVER I said as an excuse to tender some kind of lowlife insult. That is a certainty--you can't resist doing it. The reason why I am not married is very personal, and I don't feel inclined to discuss it. Feel free to be the person that you are, and speculate on that. It will only make you look that much lower in everyone's eyes.

And I make more money gambling than you, Jerry, precisely BECAUSE I go to the El Cortez and make $500, instead of, like you, going to Harrah's and dropping five grand. I guess that makes me more of a GAMBLING manly man than you. Neener neener neener.



I wonder if this purported teacher saw the recent report on how our education system compares to others in the world. Hmmm....Aren't teachers included in that? Oh I forgot, we add in points for having "colleagues" who are pleasant and "mutually respectful!"

HA! I wonder if they've ever read any of his vulgarity-filled rants here!

I could take a 26 week unpaid leave and still make twice what you do with all those good buddies and feelings.

I detect a burning desire to see me lose my bet Sunday. Now I hope I win even more just to see your reaction! Imagine getting paid 10 weeks pay on a simple set of bets....
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November 19th, 2010 at 10:41:16 AM permalink
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Can I put an entire thread on block?



Why would you want to do that? This is like watching two drunks mud wrestle in text.
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November 19th, 2010 at 10:49:47 AM permalink
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I live by myself.



Ooo ooo...I think that says it all! But wait!....I'm somewhat confused. Being such a community brute and all and having such a high-quality friend base, exactly how does someone who's so very "mutually respected" in a pleasant community kind of way go about being a loner who cannot find anyone to live with??? Unless, of course, no one WANTS to live with you. I don't get it. Please feel free to enlighten the lesser-minded of us.

I said I may lose $7000 on a trip, and if I have $20k in my pocket I hit a big winner. So to help you out since I don't see a lot of math talent there, if I take 10 trips a year and lose every one of them which I never have, I lose $70,000 in a year. At the same time if you go 12 times a year and win $500 every single time which we all know does not happen, you win $6000. So, $55,000 + $6000 = $61,000. In my case, $250,000 - $70,000 = $180,000.

So, does mkl really have more moolah than Jerry? Teacher says so, but something tells me this is another one of those "teachable moments" for the guy.
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November 19th, 2010 at 10:52:12 AM permalink
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I'm somewhat confused. .



Yes, Jerry. That is something we can all agree on.
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November 19th, 2010 at 10:55:25 AM permalink
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I detect a burning desire to see me lose my bet Sunday. Now I hope I win even more just to see your reaction! Imagine getting paid 10 weeks pay on a simple set of bets....



Your detection apparatus is broken, Jerry. I said before, and I still mean it, that I sincerely hope you win (assuming that this bet you've been bragging about even exists in the first place). Why? More money for the casinos when you use your winnings to try out the Rob Singer System. That translates to more money for me--the suckers make VP more profitable for the casinos, which means they can continue to offer good games for those of us who exert the effort to find and play them.
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November 19th, 2010 at 11:03:51 AM permalink
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Your detection apparatus is broken, Jerry. I said before, and I still mean it, that I sincerely hope you win (assuming that this bet you've been bragging about even exists in the first place). Why? More money for the casinos when you use your winnings to try out the Rob Singer System. That translates to more money for me--the suckers make VP more profitable for the casinos, which means they can continue to offer good games for those of us who exert the effort to find and play them.



Then would you care to make a bet with me on my bet? That would require you identify yourself I know, but what respected, pleasant, well-rounded and community-oriented teacher would have any problem at all identifying himself on a forum such as this? You can even go back to your little bungalow after it's all over and talk to yourself til the cows come home.
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November 19th, 2010 at 11:24:59 AM permalink
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I said I may lose $7000 on a trip, and if I have $20k in my pocket I hit a big winner. So to help you out since I don't see a lot of math talent there, if I take 10 trips a year and lose every one of them which I never have, I lose $70,000 in a year. At the same time if you go 12 times a year and win $500 every single time which we all know does not happen, you win $6000. So, $55,000 + $6000 = $61,000. In my case, $250,000 - $70,000 = $180,000.

So, does mkl really have more moolah than Jerry? Teacher says so, but something tells me this is another one of those "teachable moments" for the guy.



I dunno, but all I'm seeing is that the teacher made a $6,000 and the VP of Ops lost $70 grand. I don't see how the starting point even matters. If we are talking about beating the system in the short term - One person did what Mr Singer does (make money in a casino), the other didn't.
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November 19th, 2010 at 11:29:48 AM permalink
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Then would you care to make a bet with me on my bet? That would require you identify yourself I know, but what respected, pleasant, well-rounded and community-oriented teacher would have any problem at all identifying himself on a forum such as this? You can even go back to your little bungalow after it's all over and talk to yourself til the cows come home.



1. Do you mean a bet on whether your bet actually even exists or not? We'd need someone to post some odds.

2. I don't post personal identification information on the internet. I'm not that stupid.

3. Since I hope you WIN, Jerry, if I made a bet with you, you'd have to take the other side--betting against yourself.

4. I have better uses for my money than to lay -110 on an even money proposition--your "inside information" notwithstanding.

Good luck, Jerry.
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November 19th, 2010 at 11:39:17 AM permalink
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I dunno, but all I'm seeing is that the teacher made a $6,000 and the VP of Ops lost $70 grand. I don't see how the starting point even matters. If we are talking about beating the system in the short term - One person did what Mr Singer does (make money in a casino), the other didn't.



I agree. But that's not what the point was. MKL was whining about how much I make vs. him and how he has more moolah because of my losses and his gambling prowess. And once again, he got his tit caught in another wringer. Just ask the math!
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November 19th, 2010 at 11:41:18 AM permalink
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I agree. But that's not what the point was. MKL was whining about how much I make vs. him and how he has more moolah because of my losses and his gambling prowess. And once again, he got his tit caught in another wringer. Just ask the math!



But because MKL makes money in a casino, shouldn't you follow his advice? Or at least look at it? :)
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November 19th, 2010 at 11:42:08 AM permalink
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1. Do you mean a bet on whether your bet actually even exists or not? We'd need someone to post some odds.

2. I don't post personal identification information on the internet. I'm not that stupid.

3. Since I hope you WIN, Jerry, if I made a bet with you, you'd have to take the other side--betting against yourself.

4. I have better uses for my money than to lay -110 on an even money proposition--your "inside information" notwithstanding.

Good luck, Jerry.



So you're whole issue is that I may not have made the bets. Then why do you believe me when I say I play vp, or that I lose every year or that I play up to the $10 limit? And how can anyone believe that you ever sat at a vp machine other than in your wet dreams (which I remember people without partners do experience every other night or so).
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November 19th, 2010 at 12:06:45 PM permalink
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But because MKL makes money in a casino, shouldn't you follow his advice? Or at least look at it? :)



By doing so, he would be admitting to himself what he has suspected for some time, but does not want to admit--that his massive gambling losses were and are unnecessary, that he can get everything he wants out of the casino gambling experience WITHOUT getting pounded through the floor every trip he takes.

I could save the man thousands of dollars a year. Oh well, you can lead a horse, or any part thereof, to water, but....
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November 19th, 2010 at 12:12:14 PM permalink
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I agree. But that's not what the point was. MKL was whining about how much I make vs. him and how he has more moolah because of my losses and his gambling prowess. And once again, he got his tit caught in another wringer. Just ask the math!



Yep. I have more money at the end of the year, but not just because of our relative gambling results. The comparison Jerry is making only considers INCOME. I have far less expenses than Jerry, not the least of which are taxes--if he makes as much as he claims he does, he coughs up $100,000+ or more a year, depending on his dependent status and what state he lives in. So take his $250,000 a year (or whatever he says he makes), slice off $100K for taxes, subtract $70K for gambling losses, and consider that he lives a far more extravagant (and expensive) lifestyle than I do, and pretty quickly, his bottom line sinks down BELOW that of a girly-man Oregon unmarried (speaking of reduced expenses!) teacher like me.
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November 19th, 2010 at 12:26:17 PM permalink
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Yep. I have more money at the end of the year, but not just because of our relative gambling results. The comparison Jerry is making only considers INCOME. I have far less expenses than Jerry, not the least of which are taxes--if he makes as much as he claims he does, he coughs up $100,000+ or more a year, depending on his dependent status and what state he lives in. So take his $250,000 a year (or whatever he says he makes), slice off $100K for taxes, subtract $70K for gambling losses, and consider that he lives a far more extravagant (and expensive) lifestyle than I do, and pretty quickly, his bottom line sinks down BELOW that of a girly-man Oregon unmarried (speaking of reduced expenses!) teacher like me.



So confused...and so assertive-filled as usual. You forgot to claim to know that I have a nice retirement account that probably has an unfathonable amount in it (to you anyway). I pay around $45000 in taxes but I'm contributing to the future of this world by having two children in college, unlike a loner would have of course. Oh, the house? Hmmm....it's half paid for. But it's certainly not the massive investment that an Oregon apartment would be!

I still wanna know what kind of junker you drive. Let's see....a liberal school teacher in Oregon who makes very little money: Scion Xb! Or maybe a Prius! Gotta be one of those greenie types. Either way, I'm betting it's not new and in fact his students laugh at it & him!
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November 19th, 2010 at 12:30:53 PM permalink
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Yes. it means I'm much more successful than you and yes, it means I'm a manly man compared to you. Tell us why you're not married mkl, go ahead....tell us why.



Have you ever noticed that people who really have money very seldom find the need to tell everyone.
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November 19th, 2010 at 12:33:53 PM permalink
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Yep. I have more money at the end of the year, but not just because of our relative gambling results. The comparison Jerry is making only considers INCOME. I have far less expenses than Jerry, not the least of which are taxes--if he makes as much as he claims he does, he coughs up $100,000+ or more a year, depending on his dependent status and what state he lives in. So take his $250,000 a year (or whatever he says he makes), slice off $100K for taxes, subtract $70K for gambling losses, and consider that he lives a far more extravagant (and expensive) lifestyle than I do, and pretty quickly, his bottom line sinks down BELOW that of a girly-man Oregon unmarried (speaking of reduced expenses!) teacher like me.




Why in the world would you believe what someone on line claims they earn?
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