Cooperation Game II
Poll
 | 23 votes (69.69%) | ||
| | 3 votes (9.09%) | ||
| | 4 votes (12.12%) | ||
| | 1 vote (3.03%) | ||
| | 3 votes (9.09%) | ||
| | 2 votes (6.06%) | ||
| | 1 vote (3.03%) | ||
| | 1 vote (3.03%) | ||
| No votes (0%) | |||
| | 4 votes (12.12%) |
33 members have voted
| Member | Sharing? | Round 11 Number |
|---|---|---|
| Playyourcardsright | Yes | 21 |
| PokerGrinder * | Yes | 11 |
| Keeneone | Yes | 3 |
| Romes | Yes | 4 |
| OneNickelMiracle | ??? | --- |
| Joeman | Yes | 5 |
| Prozema | Yes | 6 |
| Ayecarumba | No | --- |
| DJTeddyBear | ??? | --- |
| UK MARK | Yes | 7 |
| Troopscott | Yes | 8 |
| Dalex64 | Yes | 23 |
| Face | Yes*** | 20 |
| GWAE | ??? | --- |
| MidwestAP | ??? | --- |
| OnceDear * | Yes | 9 |
| Mikey75 | Yes | 10 |
| Soopoo | Yes | 2 |
| JohnnyQ | Yes | 12 |
| GamerFreak | Yes | 13 |
| Gordonm888 | Yes | 14 |
| DJATC | ??? | --- |
| RS | No | --- |
| Jufo81 | Yes | 15 |
| Miplet | Yes | 16 |
| Jmarch79 | Yes | 17 |
| BeachBumBabs | Yes | 18 |
| MaxPen | ??? | --- |
| SM777 | ??? | --- |
| Torghatten | Yes | 19 |
| Billryan | ??? | --- |
| Mission146 | No*** | 20 |
| Axelwolf | Yes | 1 |
| Nathan | Yes | 22 |
How exactly did Axel get #1? Hasn't SOOPOO been our 'big pool' strategy/captain? Oh Captain My Captain! I'll probably vote #1 to pass the buck along to SOOPOO (unless the small poolers try to pass it along past that, but we should have that covered with our voting scheme).
DaleX would you be willing to move from #23 to #4 to fill the gap if needed?
Welp, good luck with that. Since only 1 can claim this round I think the big pool will be flexing it's size.Quote: DJTeddyBearSince the rules for this level, and subsequent strategy, make it very self-serving for the undecideds to declare a desire to join the pool, I assume that the pool is closed.
Therefore I can now publicly declare a desire to be independent and NOT part of any pool.
Note: I was also not part of a pool in the last game.
Definitely disagree. Not only have they not wanted to be in / work with the 'big pool' from the start, but the round(s) is clearly a more independent indevor and we don't need people we haven't trusted along the way lying (which is definitely allowed in this game). Past that, if they're not happy with the "large sum" of money we told them at the beginning they'd get by being an individual in this game, then I see no reason to let them in our pool to take another slice of the pie post facto.Quote: SOOPOOI would STILL vote for any independent or small pooler to be able to join the big pool...
Quote: SOOPOOI would STILL vote for any independent or small pooler to be able to join the big pool. The entire idea was to cooperate to take Mike's money. In the unlikely event that the big poolers luck into some parlay or AP opportunity via Axel, I would be happy if all members of the WoV forum could participate. THAT would show the ultimate level of cooperation among the forum members; if the present big poolers would give up a few sheckels to let lower funded independents or small poolers in.
I'll bet an AP that shares a play at a present loss of EV, eventually makes it up and more when the person or persons you shared the play with do the same for you.
only if they are part of the big group parlay otherwise they can join take more than they had and leave
Quote: NathanSo, this round is everybody for themselves. I CALLED it! :P
It’s not all for themselves Nathan, you’re in the big pool. Vote accordingly please.
SOOPOO's strategy will work if we can get enough people to play along. I can always update my list if somebody wants to jump to the front of the line.Quote: PokerGrinderOk we now have 3 strategies going for the big pool, someone needs to take the lead and declare the proper one. It will be really embarrassing when we screw up a sure thing.
Then I had second thoughts and back on page 157, I said this:
Quote: gordonm888
Having everyone vote in the next round with this "lowest unique number" rule may not be a good idea. If there are, say 18 big poolers, they could all agree to pick numbers 1 to 18, assuring someone in the big pool will win.
So, this talk about Romes and Pokergrinder having originated the strategy for this round is a bit unfair. I originated the idea for this round and then I originated the big pool strategy for it several days ago.
Currently I have been assigned #14 on one of the lists. Given that there are only 10 or 11 people not in the big pool, why do we need to go all the way up to 22 or 23? I have a notion to vote #1 to block Axel from getting the money (same as Romes is doing.)
Quote: gordonm888I have a notion to vote #1 to block Axel from getting the money (same as Romes is doing.)
Kudos for coming up with the strategy :o)
Now, what's this loblocks fom Romes and gordon about not trusting Axel to pool.???
Axel might be a ****, but he's an honourable ****. The rules of the game do not, I'm sure, over-ride his strict moral compass. If he says he's pooling his winnings, then he is.
Quote: SOOPOOI would STILL vote for any independent or small pooler to be able to join the big pool. The entire idea was to cooperate to take Mike's money. In the unlikely event that the big poolers luck into some parlay or AP opportunity via Axel, I would be happy if all members of the WoV forum could participate. THAT would show the ultimate level of cooperation among the forum members; if the present big poolers would give up a few sheckels to let lower funded independents or small poolers in.
I'll bet an AP that shares a play at a present loss of EV, eventually makes it up and more when the person or persons you shared the play with do the same for you.
Nothing is stopping those playing for themselves from joining the AP play after the game is over. They will just get a percentage share that reflects their individual total.
Quote: GWAEthis is why I didnt join the big pool. This seems like so much stress. I certainly don't have this much time to spend on this game.
People taking the fun out of it. :(
Quote: RSPeople taking the fun out of it. :(
Would be much more entertaining if everyone would just play instead of conspiring. Some game theory would apply in a round like this. Would be interested to see what everyone's was.
Quote: RSPeople taking the fun out of it. :(
There is a saying that goes something like,"Even the best TV Shows have mediocre, filler episodes." Think of this game as a really good TV show. ;)
Quote: GWAEWould be much more entertaining if everyone would just play instead of conspiring. Some game theory would apply in a round like this. Would be interested to see what everyone's was.
Amen. A good math problem would be to find the optimal strategy given n players and no collusion? I think I know the answer for at least the two player case, but will refrain from posting it to let the forum have some fun with it.
Anonymously? :o)Quote: RSI will be anonymously donating $30 to the small pool.
Well, RS, whoever you are, I'm going to hold you to that in the accounting and then the other members there can hunt you down if you renege
I'll help joe keep it up to date if you guys can keep using it and posting confirmation here.
I've a feeling that some lazy *******s will cause there to be lots of gaps in that table to be exploited by the non-poolers /small poolers.
Quote: gordonm888I was the person who proposed this "everyone picks a number" round to the Wizard about 3 hours before round 10 began.
Then I had second thoughts and back on page 157, I said this:
So, this talk about Romes and Pokergrinder having originated the strategy for this round is a bit unfair. I originated the idea for this round and then I originated the big pool strategy for it several days ago.
Currently I have been assigned #14 on one of the lists. Given that there are only 10 or 11 people not in the big pool, why do we need to go all the way up to 22 or 23? I have a notion to vote #1 to block Axel from getting the money (same as Romes is doing.)
NOTHING WOULD MAKE ME HAPPIER!!!!
This game started out kinda boring(I think many would agree). Yet, I managed to find a way maximized full entertainment value and make it unboring (sorry you didn't do that for yourself) and reached all my goals.
I was able to persuade team some captains in what looked like for sure a major majority steal round into an all share round.
I was able to negotiate my way into picking my own team captains with some monetary risk to get all to share. I even took myself off the list at the last minute and replaced myself with another member. I picked up an extra $5 from Mike for accomplishing what I set out to do.
I got to watch us pick Mikes pocket. I know he can afford it, however, I think he's a bit miffed he couldn't figure out how to create more chaos and save a few bucks. I will be rubbing that $5 win in his face(the gift that will keep on giving, I hope to double it up on a prop bet).
I was able to razz guys like OD and a few others the entire time.
HAVING SOMEONE SCREW THEMSELVES JUST TO SPITE ME WOULD BE MOFO ICING ON THE MOFO CAKE!!!!
#WhenLifeGivesYouLemons
I am voting #6 now.
Joe's table updated. I suspect it will continue to look lean as lazy bones won't keep us informed. C'mon all big poolers. Confirm your intended vote.Quote: prozemaWow, step away for a day and miss 5 pages... I think I'm caught up.
I am voting #6 now.
You don't think it odd, at all, even just the slightest bit, that all of axel's real life minions are all in the small pool, and that he's taking #1 on this round, a round where the small poolers are completely boned?Quote: PokerGrinderIt’s amazing to me that a round that is a 100% win is causing this much trouble. Why are big poolers blocking their own pool? Gordon and romes what are you doing?
Quote: RomesYou don't think it odd, at all, even just the slightest bit, that all of axel's real life minions are all in the small pool, and that he's taking #1 on this round, a round where the small poolers are completely boned?
Lol do you think that Ax is going to renege on being part of the big pool?
What if he were to simply 'typo' and vote 11, then a small pooler of course voted #1? Whoops...Quote: PokerGrinderLol do you think that Ax is going to renege on being part of the big pool?
p.s. I'm also treating this as a game, not real life.
Jeez, I'm a continent away and I know Axel wouldn't do that... not even to prove me naive.Quote: RomesWhat if he were to simply 'typo' and vote 11, then a small pooler of course voted #1? Whoops...
p.s. I'm also treating this as a game, not real life.
I think we can confirm SOOPOO's vote, as well as Dalex64's '4' vote. Romes will need a new number.
Quote: JoemanIt looks like the edit window for my list post has timed out, OD. I think you'll have to edit it from here on out.
I think we can confirm SOOPOO's vote, as well as Dalex64's '4' vote. Romes will need a new number.
Table edited.
Romes: Can you hold back a while and mop up a number from some big pooler that doesn't keep us informed.
Quote: PokerGrinderWell from the confirmations we are currently missing 3,5,7,8,11(my assigned #), 12, 13, 14,15,16 and 20+. We need to remedy this situation.
Keeneone -
Can you confirm you have voted 3? I sent you a PM on the topic in case you miss this post.
Thanks
Quote: PokerGrinderWell from the confirmations we are currently missing 3,5,7,8,11(my assigned #), 12, 13, 14,15,16 and 20+. We need to remedy this situation.
How can we be missing 5? This is Joe's strategy, Joe's table, and 5 is assigned to Joe.
LOL. For something so simple, yes.Quote: PokerGrinderLol this is a little unorganized.
We HAVE organised a p155 up in a brewery, but no-one RSVP'd to the invitation.
ETA: If we don't hear from Keeneone soon, someone else could lock up the '3' and we can assign K1 a new number.
Oh hum... You do realise that you have already won more than the mean and median, so far?Quote: onenickelmiracleI am quitting the game. I don't see any way to win being on the outside, and it's not worth the time thinking about it. I ask Wizard to give my share to a poor old lady in the casino, someone wearing ratty old clothes or polyester.
Funny though, expecting Mike to go to a casino and seek out a poor old lady. I hope she doesn't recognise him and read this thread. I'm visualising security getting called as the little old lady screams and hits him with her hobo bag $:o)
If he needs police bail, I'll chip in.
Quote: onenickelmiracleI am quitting the game. I don't see any way to win being on the outside, and it's not worth the time thinking about it. I ask Wizard to give my share to a poor old lady in the casino, someone wearing ratty old clothes or polyester.
Or just join the big pool / dark side.
Quote: prozemaOr just join the big pool / dark side.
Yeah, I couldn't figure out why ONM would want to quit, either. 12 rounds is more than enough for me, but I said I'd play, I'm being paid to be a lab rat in a social experiment, so here I am.
Not gonna hold it against him or billryan for quitting, but I don't see the point of not finishing the game.
2. I am voting 1. My reasons follow:
Given the rules and strategy in this round:
a. The big poolers can ensure that one of their numbers will win the $25 . . .
b. The small poolers will decide which big pooler will win the $25 by which numbers they choose to block and leave unblocked
c. The strategy for the small poolers should be to work a deal with someone in the big pool who has one of the top 11 numbers. Like: we will assure you win the $25 award this round and will let you keep $20 for yourself, if you donate $5 to the small pool.
I doubt that any big pooler in the top 11 will flip to the small pool, but IMO Axel is the most likely. For one thing, he unilaterally declared that he was voting #1 without trying to cooperate with the rest of the pool. Because I want to do something useful, and voting 14 doesn't seem useful, I will vote 1 and block Axel.
d. Also the big pooler who wins the $25 will likely finish at #1 on the Wizard's Leader Board and be declared the winner of the Cooperation Game II. I feel like Soopoo or prozema or someone like that deserves the honor of winning the game. I personally have not enjoyed the things that Axel has said about me, so I prefer that Axel not win.
Edit: Vote = 1 submitted to Wiz.
Table updated.Quote: prozemaI guess we need to redo the table now based on the post from Gordonm888.
Face, or Romes, would you please step in and vote 14 in place of Gordon.
RSVP
Joe's table
My condolences are inadequate to the situation, but I send them anyway. Take care.
Gordon, I'm really sorry to hear that and hope the best in a dark situation for you and your family.Quote: gordonm8881. I am going through a nightmare period with my wife's parents (who I have been very close to for 35 years). My wife's Mom died 10 days ago and I was with my wife's Dad when he had a stroke and went into seizures yesterday. So, my priorities do not allow me to closely monitor this thread every minute of the day...
I will trust gordon is doing what he says, and I will take #14.Quote: OnceDearTable updated.
Face, or Romes, would you please step in and vote 14 in place of Gordon.
RSVP
Joe's table
Vote submitted.
