Cooperation Game II
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33 members have voted
Quote: onenickelmiracleI think this is just manipulation either way. Either the vote is all share or not. Can be either. I'm not tempted. You can assume he wants to cash in with a steal, or assume he is unhappy with the results and trying to spur a change of vote. Wizard is the enemy in this game.
It definitely reminds me of a Monte Hall move. Hand you money, offer you that box there or the curtain on stage, or keep the cash.
Seemed like there was always an expensive watch or ring in the small.box, and a lot of times the Zonk was a goat behind the curtain.
This feels like the curtain offer. I think.ducks are in a row. But have no inside knowledge.
Quote: OnceDearSo, you want me to steal?
Why encourage me?
I'm really disappointed by your offer to suggest I not be blocked and I reject your kind offer.
I'm more disappointed that you encouraged bullying.
You might have just swung a vote and saved me [edit and Wizard] $50. Nice one!
Swung whose vote, yours?
Let’s see everyone share this round and maybe I start playing nice again. I’m sick of the bull crap.
You could very easily have agreed to add the $50 had everyone shared OR if you had decided to steal. You chose not to. One has to wonder why.
We win this round by everyone sharing or by proving you’re in Wizard’s pocket in this game. Those are the two paths to victory. If all six captains other than you share, that is a victory. Anything else is a loss. We lost last round and I will try to have us not lose again. Losing is not acceptable.
Quote: OnceDearWhere does it say that? rhetorical.
IMHO, the rules of the forum do exist and over-rule any rules or non-rules of the game.
Bickering and mischief are pretty obviously to be expected and are implicitly accepted.
But what's been suggested above would seem like bullying of the worst kind. It's shocking to see it even suggested.
So jovial.
Sounds like a plan.Quote: Mission146Let’s see everyone share this round
My choice.Quote: Mission146You could very easily have agreed to add the $50 had everyone shared OR if you had decided to steal. You chose not to. One has to wonder why.
Quote: Mission146...proving you’re in Wizard’s pocket in this game.
Let's get this straight. I'm not in Wizard's pocket. Wizard did not have any part to play in the formulation of my little side offer. FAR FROM IT!
Quote: OnceDearSounds like a plan.
My choice.
Let's get this straight. I'm not in Wizard's pocket. Wizard did not have any part to play in the formulation of my little side offer. FAR FROM IT!
I hate to be a fairweather fan, but I reserve the right to believe or not believe you when the round is over.
Axel says he talked to everyone but TeddyBear and all committed to sharing. TeddyBear committed in this thread.
Anyone who doesn’t share this round must be assumed to be a confederate of Wizard in this game, which makes the game rigged, and I shall choose not to read that person’s communications for 120 days accordingly. If I’m in a really bad mood, maybe I’ll make it a year instead.
Quote: OnceDearSounds like a plan.
My choice.
Let's get this straight. I'm not in Wizard's pocket. Wizard did not have any part to play in the formulation of my little side offer. FAR FROM IT!
Regardless, if you offer up additional money and you are the one who votes in a way so that the money is not paid you are dishonorable. For you not to exempt your vote from determining if the extra $50 is to be paid is a despicable tactic. I mean this seriously; if you do not make a public change, my opinion of you will take a nosedive. Quite disappointed, actually.
The others who lie and vote steal when they said or implied they would vote share are acting within the rules of the game, as Mike said lying is ok. Offering money that you know you wont be paying because you can vote not to pay it to me is outside the spirit of the rules, as well as outside the spirit of the forum, especially for a moderator.
Quote: SOOPOORegardless, if you offer up additional money and you are the one who votes in a way so that the money is not paid you are dishonorable. For you not to exempt your vote from determining if the extra $50 is to be paid is a despicable tactic. I mean this seriously; if you do not make a public change, my opinion of you will take a nosedive. Quite disappointed, actually.
Exactly! If people want to play games, let’s play games!
Now you know why I’m using so many words.
Quote:The others who lie and vote steal when they said or implied they would vote share are acting within the rules of the game, as Mike said lying is ok. Offering money that you know you wont be paying because you can vote not to pay it to me is outside the spirit of the rules, as well as outside the spirit of the forum, especially for a moderator.
Hear, hear!
Is offering up additional money acceptable? After pooling this competition, as I've pledged to, whatever my take is will be given to charity anyway. I hope to maximise that. Read that again... I hope to maximise my equal share of what will be a pooled resource. Do the math.Quote: SOOPOORegardless, if you offer up additional money and you are the one who votes in a way so that the money is not paid you are dishonorable.
It was not my intention to inject certainty, especially if that was the certainty that my PayPal funds would get depleted by $50.Quote:For you not to exempt your vote from determining if the extra $50 is to be paid is a despicable tactic.
So you want me to change my vote?Quote:I mean this seriously; if you do not make a public change, my opinion of you will take a nosedive.
My team members gave me an assortment of requests and proxies, which actually made it such that I could vote either way and still honor my promise that my vote would be democratically decided by a majority. So I'm entitled to vote purely on how I see fit without any dishonor. If 3 members of my team had told me to vote in one direction, then I absolutely would have done so regardless of my own preference. That was a risk I took. I have zero financial incentive to make this offer of extra funds. So, I'm taking what recreation I can get from it from the interest and confusion it generates.
I agree.Quote:The others who lie and vote steal when they said or implied they would vote share are acting within the rules of the game, as Mike said lying is ok.
I don't disagree $:o)Quote:Offering money that you know you wont be paying because you can vote not to pay it to me is outside the spirit of the rules
I'm not playing as a moderator. I'm playing as a member. No extra powers or privileges being invoked or implied.Quote:especially for a moderator.
Quote: WizardI've received six of the seven votes. Anyone object if we close voting whenever the last vote arrives?
Well, that would be me. This is an interesting manipulation from the puppetmaster, as it, in combination with the conversations in the thread so far, informs me that there is a good chance my team could steal the entire small pot.
However... I have already agreed to a "no burn" insurance policy, and will honor it by submitting a vote to share.
This game is exciting and intriguing.
I'll be sad if Mission stops posting when the "All Shared" is announced. Please reconsider.
Quote: Mission146I object on partially the same grounds as BBB. My contention is that someone who has stolen already may change the vote to share.
So noted. We'll stick to the original deadline.
Quote: Ayecarumba
I'll be sad if Mission stops posting when the "All Shared" is announced. Please reconsider.
I’m allowed to lie in the context of the game.
Just as possible Wizard said that because he wanted you, personally, to infer everyone had already shared (which I’m starting to believe aside from my reservations about OnceDear) so you would steal.
Quote: Mission146I think if any captain steals this round what we should do is use the, “Block Feature,” to block his/her posts for a period of no fewer than 120 days. That’s OneNickel’s original idea, he suggested a few days, I suggested 120.
Every player not on that team should block that captain.
Let's not take this game too seriously. It is just a game for small friendly amounts of money. I'd prefer we not let what happens in the game to affect life outside the game.
Quote: WizardSo noted. We'll stick to the original deadline.
We’re fine with you going ahead and calling it if everyone has shared, I think I speak for everyone. You won’t, of course. Lol
FYI to all captains.Quote: WizardSo noted. We'll stick to the original deadline.
I just sent a PM to Wizard with my final and irrevocable team vote.
If all team captains similarly make their vote irrevocable, then I'm happy to see the count brought forward.
Quote: WizardLet's not take this game too seriously. It is just a game for small friendly amounts of money. I'd prefer we not let what happens in the game to affect life outside the game.
Without making any absolute promises either way, the game allows me to lie about whatever I want. I only want to win, which is defined as an All Share or OnceDear being the only stealer and proving you have him in the bag and the cake is a lie.
The money is irrelevant. I will donate anything my side pool does that is my share to charity. Winning is all there is.
Well, you speak for Mission146 and you speak for me too. But there are 6 other captains who have the final say, unless Wizard decides to reject vote changes, which I don't think he'd do whichever way it goes.Quote: Mission146We’re fine ... I think I speak for everyone.
I object.Quote: WizardI've received six of the seven votes. Anyone object if we close voting whenever the last vote arrives?
Don’t change the rules midstream.
Quote: onenickelmiracleWizard is the enemy in this game.
Or maybe the other players are the enemy.
No enemies: Some adversaries.Quote: WizardOr maybe the other players are the enemy.
We all love each-other really.
Makes for some strange bedfellows.
Quote: WizardOr maybe the other players are the enemy.
Not possible. But, they can’t explicitly ALL cooperate and appear to cooperate or the game would not continue.
this needs way more likes/thank you. Don't be shy guys..Quote: AxelWolfI know where he parks
A captain speaks out! Maybe there is still more uncertainty to the round. Cool. +1Quote: DJTeddyBearI object.
Don’t change the rules midstream.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=tj7TV7QAmi0
Quote: DJTeddyBearI object.
Don’t change the rules midstream.
...said the frog to the scorpion.
Added: I appreciate OD "kicking it up" by adding extra ingredients to the mix.
I cannot be held accountable for your hallucinations.Quote: onenickelmiracleI do remember seeing a $50 guarantee if OD voted steal
So would I for any substantive edit.Quote:If it was later edited, I find this to be cheating.
Boo Hoo. My vote is locked in.Quote:If OD eventually votes steal, I challenge that vote and ask it to be thrown out.
Boo Hoo Hoo.Quote:I'm probably going to quit the game if the end result isn't unanimously share.
Next you'll be telling me that dreaming of other women is adultery.Quote:If you poop the bed in a dream, you poop the bed in real life
Quote:so if you're a worm in the game, you're a worm in real life.
A personal insult in the game is a personal insult in real life.
Pah! This is a game dammit.
I don't make false promises and I don't welch.Quote: onenickelmiracleActually, it's probable, OD only is trying to protect his false promise to donate $50 trying not to welch. Hopefully he is just trying to manipulate someone else to changing his or her vote by saying it's irrevocable. I don't really see why OD would care about $50, or why he would possibly vote steal if his followers voted that way. He probably wouldn't, but some kind of side deal or order by Mr. Wizard is making sense. Don't buy into it.
Yes. I try to manipulate. That's part of the game. Of course I absolutely would have voted steal if a majority of my team had instructed me to do so, because that's what I very clearly and publicly asserted that I would do. Is it my fault if they left me with enough proxies and a deciding vote on whether to effectively withhold my own extra funds?
Why would I care about $50?
Have you forgotten that All Steal = $0 : All Share = $100 and Some Steal = What was it... $20 ( I honestly can't even remember or be bothered to check )
Quote: OnceDear
Pah! This is a game dammit.
I'm having fun. Good round to be captian. I have to imagine this is dull for non-caps.
Anyway, I was thinking about this whole bumping the pot thing... What would the poolers think of bumping the pool (or splitting the poolers) with a paid membership option?
Say, paid poolers kick in $10 or $20 each added to our end winnings for the 'sure thing' play someone mentioned and a parlay?
I know this started as a free roll, but I think a membership fee to be in the pool would add a barrier to entry for the ??? Group.
Probably a bad idea... maybe not... I don't know.
There is a reason why Mike wanted to close the voting early.
I would consider any steal vote treasonous.
ever notice not posting in this thread is more fun then posting in this thread? =)
voted =past tense. Have you cast your vote allready, and if so, when?Quote: djatcyou guys should set up a sidebet as to what I voted
ever notice not posting in this thread is more fun then posting in this thread? =)
Yes. DJATC has already cast his vote, but he reserves the right to change it... no doubt for a suitable inducement. :o)Quote: AxelWolfvoted =past tense. Have you cast your vote allready, and if so, when?
Quote: AxelWolfvoted =past tense. Have you cast your vote allready, and if so, when?
Never thought I'd see the day Axel is using grammar to get to the bottom of something. ;-)
Quote: djatcyou guys should set up a sidebet as to what I voted
ever notice not posting in this thread is more fun then posting in this thread? =)
Sounds like a hoot.
I would not want to be the only guy voting steal this round. Maybe next time...
In this round his team is:
Romes,
GWAE,
Mission146,
JohnnyQ
I think if DJATC is continuing to act as a delegate, Johnny Q's vote is key.
Maybe I'm a fool, but I believe Romes and Mission want to maximize the money the wizard has to pay... however, These two are side poolers, so there is incentive for them to steal.
Let's say Romes and Mission do want to steal... Wouldn't surprise me if GWAE wanted to steal too, but who knows.... Either way, we have heard plenty from mission.
JohnnyQ and GWAE... If you see this and are willing to weigh in on your position, I'd love to hear it. You may as well post it because everyone will probably blame you if DJATC votes steal anyway. The way I'm thinking about this, if both of you want to share at least we know who made the tie breaking vote.
Quote: prozemaIn round 5, DJATC was cap of my team. I don't want to disclose any details of any private conversations, but I believe he acted democratically according to the team wishes in that round.
In this round his team is:
Romes,
GWAE,
Mission146,
JohnnyQ
I think if DJATC is continuing to act as a delegate, Johnny Q's vote is key.
Maybe I'm a fool, but I believe Romes and Mission want to maximize the money the wizard has to pay... however, These two are side poolers, so there is incentive for them to steal.
Let's say Romes and Mission do want to steal... Wouldn't surprise me if GWAE wanted to steal too, but who knows.... Either way, we have heard plenty from mission.
JohnnyQ and GWAE... If you see this and are willing to weigh in on your position, I'd love to hear it. You may as well post it because everyone will probably blame you if DJATC votes steal anyway. The way I'm thinking about this, if both of you want to share at least we know who made the tie breaking vote.
Romes isn’t part of my side pool.
@Wizard, I think I’ve only been captain once. :( Your chart shows twice but idk. I think I counted 50 total in there. But if there’s 7 teams and 7 rounds.....
Quote: RSRomes isn’t part of my side pool.
So mysterious and exclusive... So hot.
Thanks for the correction sir.
9am Vegas time July 23rd pretty sure.Quote: gordonm888This round seems endless. Is Wizard climbing another mountain? When will we see what the vote was?
Quote: onenickelmiracle9am Vegas time July 23rd pretty sure.
Vegas time? Is that an oxymoron? Never seen a clock in Vegas.
Yes PST would be more accurate. I can guarantee you, it won't be me that's ostracized at that moment.Quote: gordonm888Vegas time? Is that an oxymoron? Never seen a clock in Vegas.
Quote: AxelWolfI do find it a bit suspicious that OD still hasn't responded to my PM. I didn't really pose a question however he's never not sent some kind of reply to a PM of mine.
What time did you send it? The guy is 8 hours ahead of you, so it's just 7am there now.
It was the other day. No worries, he saw my post and knew he couldn't ignore my PM any longer. It was obvious he ignored it because he didn't want to lie or tell me the truth, just wanted to keep me guessing. I do think OD is going to share or has done so allready.Quote: beachbumbabsWhat time did you send it? The guy is 8 hours ahead of you, so it's just 7am there now.
Djatc seems to still be playing games. I think he will share and he's just messing with us, but I can't be certain.
just in case,
https://www.carcarekiosk.com/video/2005_Mazda_Miata_LS_1.8L_4_Cyl./tires_and_wheels/change_a_flat_tire
The video above shows you how to change a flat tire for a Mazda Miata.
They forgot to add a few steps
Step 1: protect your dress.
Quote: prozemaI'm having fun. Good round to be captian. I have to imagine this is dull for non-caps.
Anyway, I was thinking about this whole bumping the pot thing... What would the poolers think of bumping the pool (or splitting the poolers) with a paid membership option?
Say, paid poolers kick in $10 or $20 each added to our end winnings for the 'sure thing' play someone mentioned and a parlay?
I know this started as a free roll, but I think a membership fee to be in the pool would add a barrier to entry for the ??? Group.
Probably a bad idea... maybe not... I don't know.
I am in
