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OnceDear
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July 21st, 2018 at 2:46:02 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

ADDED: If he really wants everyone to share, then how does being locked into a share vote hurt him?

You think I want every team to share, so much that I'll cough up $50 to get that outcome?
Am I locked into a share vote?
Would my voting 'steal' save me $50?
Wizard might indeed recruit temporary team mates. You have the measure of the man's character. To what extent do you think he would so collude? PM's cannot be quoted, of course, but there have been some.

You might want to re-read some of Wizards recent posts. Not the words: The tone.

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July 21st, 2018 at 2:50:34 PM permalink
I don't know anything about troopscott casting aspersions on you, Mission, and I am not taking that position. I would consider you to be one of the most trustworthy persons in this game.

I have been a captain with troopscott on my team in an earlier round, and exchanged quite a few PMs with him. I consider him to be an honorable and trustworthy member of this game who has committed to the large pool and whose first inclination is to cooperate and vote Share. But like most of us on this board, if he realizes that some other Captain is voting Steal, he realizes the world has changed and changes to Plan B.

Quote: Mission146

ADDED: If he really wants everyone to share, then how does being locked into a share vote hurt him?


Locking into a Share vote makes little sense if someone else eventually declares Steal.
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July 21st, 2018 at 2:53:11 PM permalink
Note to Wizard: AxelWolf has not yet been a captain. You might want to consider being non-random and deliberately making Axel, and any other "Captain virgin," a captain in a future round.
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Mission146
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July 21st, 2018 at 3:01:23 PM permalink
Quote: OnceDear

You think I want every team to share, so much that I'll cough up $50 to get that outcome?



I don't see why you would offer the $50 if you did not believe that everyone sharing is at least a possibility...unless you know it isn't. That being the case, there are only two scenarios in which you would know whether or not there is going to be at least one steal:

1.) You plan to steal.

2.) You KNOW that another captain is going to steal.

Now, if you plan to steal, that's pretty simple. You plan to steal.

If you plan to share and make it appear as if you are not colluding with Wizard, then you would have to get another team captain to steal. How would you do that? You could do that by offering said captain LESS THAN $50, which still saves you money as compared to $50, and neither the $50 add on or the money you would offer the other captain is even necessarily coming from you in the first place. It could also be coming from Wizard, for all we know.

Therefore, if the money is coming from Wizard, then by committing an extra $50 to the pot:

A.) If everyone shares.

or

B.) If your team steals.

That removes one variable, which is you stealing, which could be Plan B. Plan A could be to bribe a different team captain to steal, again, which you might not even be doing with your own money. However, I think that if we remove the Variable of whether or not your team steals, 100%, from the equation, then the prospect of a different captain stealing is worth the risk of more teams sharing.

Now to your questions:

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You think I want every team to share, so much that I'll cough up $50 to get that outcome?



No, I don't think that. That's why I think you're stealing, which is just as good as the $50 contribution not existing. However, if you commit to adding the $50 also if YOU vote to steal, (regardless of where it is coming from) then there you have it.

If all of it is coming from Wizard in the first place, AND you steal this round, then $80 is actually, "Saved." But, if that's the case, there never was $80, there was always only $20.

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Am I locked into a share vote?



If you're going to pony up an extra $50 if either of those two conditions are satisfied, I would say that you no longer have an incentive to steal. That's especially true if the money is actually coming from Wizard, because then he either pays out $100 or pays out $70, in total. I guess you could still have an incentive to steal if the $50 is not actually coming from you to begin with, but your commitment would make the pool instead of:

$20 or $100

It would be $20, $70 or $100. The $70, of course, being if you steal.

I'd guess you would get to hold onto a little more of, "Your," $50 that way.

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Would my voting 'steal' save me $50?



As it stands now, yes. Actually, not only would it save you $50, but you would also get some of the $20 pot.

The only way it wouldn't is if you commit to adding $50 to the pot if everyone shares OR your team steals.

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Wizard might indeed recruit temporary team mates. You have the measure of the man's character. To what extent do you think he would so collude?



Character has nothing to do with games, in my opinion. There is winning and there is losing, whatever that means to each player. I wouldn't use anything that happens in this or any other game to inform any of my opinions on someone's character.
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July 21st, 2018 at 3:06:23 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Are you suggesting that TroopScott never PM'ed you with an eye towards sharing last round? Imagine that.



I dont want to break PM confidentiality rules but the only 2 that pmed were on my team. I am not sure if he was ever on my team.
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July 21st, 2018 at 3:09:56 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

I dont want to break PM confidentiality rules but the only 2 that pmed were on my team. I am not sure if he was ever on my team.



He wasn't last round, I know that, you were both captains.
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Mission146
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July 21st, 2018 at 3:20:36 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

I don't know anything about troopscott casting aspersions on you, Mission, and I am not taking that position. I would consider you to be one of the most trustworthy persons in this game.



For the record, you'd be 100% wrong on that front if I were trying to maximize my personal return. In this case, though, I'm not trying to maximize my persopnal return.

Again, I am going to share every round I am a captain. If asked when someone else is captain, then I will vote to share.

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I have been a captain with troopscott on my team in an earlier round, and exchanged quite a few PMs with him. I consider him to be an honorable and trustworthy member of this game who has committed to the large pool and whose first inclination is to cooperate and vote Share. But like most of us on this board, if he realizes that some other Captain is voting Steal, he realizes the world has changed and changes to Plan B.



The most favorable conclusion I can reach about TroopScott is that he is obsessed with non-poolers and side poolers trying to screw everyone over, even though the game could not logically continue if everyone was in the main pool. If this is true, then he believes that non poolers and side poolers cannot work for the greater good, ever, even if temporarily.

My actual conclusion as relates TroopScott is he always planned to steal last round and is using his conclusion that some other team would steal to justify that. I say this because, simply, I don't know how he could conclude that without ever talking to them. We know he did not talk to GWAE.

Further, he said he sent PM's with an eye towards everyone stealing so nobody would get anything because, reasons. Something to do with side poolers and no-poolers, who again, are necessary to have in order for the game to continue.

We do know one PM that he didn't send. We know he did not send a PM to GWAE, a non-pooler, to see if GWAE could be convinced to share. I'm not saying that he would have concluded that GWAE would share, I'm not saying that GWAE would not have straight told TroopScott he was going to steal.......it's just for all of the assumptions TroopScott claims to be making, I find his putting forth effort to get people to steal but not share concerning.

And, he did cast aspersions. He said I shared because that somehow helps the side pool I'm in, which makes literally no sense whatsoever.

He also said that one of the people who he PM'ed said he would share no matter what. Ask him who it was. I'm curious. Was it one of those, "Non-Poolers," or, "Side-Poolers," he's apparently so obsessed with? The ones he says cannot be believed when they say they will share?
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July 21st, 2018 at 3:21:36 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888




Locking into a Share vote makes little sense if someone else eventually declares Steal.



Why? He should thank the stealing team for, "Saving him money," if that happens.
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July 21st, 2018 at 3:24:35 PM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

Note to Wizard: AxelWolf has not yet been a captain. You might want to consider being non-random and deliberately making Axel, and any other "Captain virgin," a captain in a future round.



Wasn't he a captain in round 2? Here is my count of how often everyone has been captain, which could be in error.

Player Total
AxelWolf 1
Ayecarumba 3
beachbumbabs 1
billryan 0
Dalex64 1
djatc 2
DJTeddyBear 2
Face 2
gamerfreak 2
gordonm888 1
GWAE 2
Jmarch79 1
Joeman 2
JohnnyQ 1
Jufo81 3
Keeneone 2
MaxPen 2
MidwestAP 1
Mikey75 1
miplet 1
Mission146 1
Nathan 2
OnceDear 1
onenickelmiracle 2
PlayYourCardsRight 1
PokerGrinder 1
prozema 2
Romes 1
RS 2
SM777 1
sodawater 0
SOOPOO 1
Torghatten 2
troopscott 1
UKMark 1
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July 21st, 2018 at 4:05:36 PM permalink
Okay, I must have missed that.

Since Round 3, I have been hoping to be a team member of a team on which AxelWolf is captain. Maybe that boat has sailed.
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July 21st, 2018 at 4:34:32 PM permalink
I have talked 5 team captains either by phone/text, in person or via PM and all of them have said they will share if everyone else would as well. I do believe all of them would honor their commitment. I have sent OnceDear and DJTeddybear PM's asking them if they would also agree to the same thing. Both of them have checked their PM but didn't respond.

This leads me to believe they don't want to lie and say yes, but they also don't want to tell me they are in fact going to steal. I guess they could be waiting for the rest of their team's input but I would assume they would at least reply to my PM and not just ignore it. I will give DJTeddybear the benefit of the doubt, but not OD.


Right now, it seems that it's because of the 2 team captains we won't be able to get an across the board share.

Unless something changes I'm going to suggest to my team captain and all the other team captains to just STEAL so no one gets anything.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 21st, 2018 at 4:36:45 PM permalink
Why have nobody get anything? Whatever team has the most players in the main pool should bite the bullet and share while all other teams steal.

Except OD's team, because he's either stealing or has another captain in the bag to steal. Probably DJTeddyBear.
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July 21st, 2018 at 4:39:54 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Why have nobody get anything? Whatever team has the most players in the main pool should bite the bullet and share while all other teams steal.

NOPE, THEY DON'T WANT TO COOPERATE SO, I'M IN WATCH IT BURN MODE!!!
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 21st, 2018 at 4:57:08 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146



Except OD's team, because he's either stealing or has another captain in the bag to steal. Probably DJTeddyBear.

That might be the case.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 21st, 2018 at 5:01:05 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

That might be the case.



Exactly, and if either of those are the case, the other teams are not to blame for that. So, one team and only one team should share.
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July 21st, 2018 at 5:47:27 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Why have nobody get anything? Whatever team has the most players in the main pool should bite the bullet and share while all other teams steal.

Except OD's team, because he's either stealing or has another captain in the bag to steal. Probably DJTeddyBear.



So you are bit$%ing about me stealing and here you advocate for it?

My message to you and keeneone was I think as many as 4 teams could steal. Your message was I am voting share either way. At that point no other discussion needed to be had. You had two lock teams who were stealing and two other possibilities who might and you didn't care. Why try to quarterback now when you are not a leader?
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July 21st, 2018 at 5:48:40 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I have talked 5 team captains either by phone/text, in person or via PM and all of them have said they will share if everyone else would as well. I do believe all of them would honor their commitment. I have sent OnceDear and DJTeddybear PM's asking them if they would also agree to the same thing. Both of them have checked their PM but didn't respond.

This leads me to believe they don't want to lie and say yes, but they also don't want to tell me they are in fact going to steal. I guess they could be waiting for the rest of their team's input but I would assume they would at least reply to my PM and not just ignore it. I will give DJTeddybear the benefit of the doubt, but not OD.


Right now, it seems that it's because of the 2 team captains we won't be able to get an across the board share.

Unless something changes I'm going to suggest to my team captain and all the other team captains to just STEAL so no one gets anything.



Imagine that mission troopscott plan last week
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July 21st, 2018 at 6:05:05 PM permalink
Quote: troopscott

So you are bit$%ing about me stealing and here you advocate for it?

My message to you and keeneone was I think as many as 4 teams could steal. Your message was I am voting share either way. At that point no other discussion needed to be had. You had two lock teams who were stealing and two other possibilities who might and you didn't care. Why try to quarterback now when you are not a leader?



The situation has changed because OnceDear cannot be trusted, he has fifty good reasons to steal or have someone in the bag to steal. OnceDear did not offer anything and was not a Captain last round.

You needed to have a discussion with the two teams you thought were a, “Lock,” to steal. Why did you believe that? Why did you never PM at least one of them?

I did quarterback last round. I advocated for an all share in the thread. What did you do? You either made assumptions based on nothing or planned to steal the whole time no matter what. Which was it? Has to be one or the other

Everybody could have stolen last round and my share guarantees that money goes out. That’s what I am advocating for this round, one share, my position could not be more consistent.

ADDED: Also, you think the game is played against other players. It isn’t. It’s everyone v. Wizard. That’s why I’ll be an immovable object on sharing anytime I am captain. As long as I share, a non-zero amount of money goes out.
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July 21st, 2018 at 6:18:03 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

The situation has changed because OnceDear cannot be trusted, he has fifty good reasons to steal or have someone in the bag to steal. OnceDear did not offer anything and was not a Captain last round.

You needed to have a discussion with the two teams you thought were a, “Lock,” to steal. Why did you believe that? Why did you never PM at least one of them?

I did quarterback last round. I advocated for an all share in the thread. What did you do? You either made assumptions based on nothing or planned to steal the whole time no matter what. Which was it? Has to be one or the other

Everybody could have stolen last round and my share guarantees that money goes out. That’s what I am advocating for this round, one share, my position could not be more consistent.

ADDED: Also, you think the game is played against other players. It isn’t. It’s everyone v. Wizard. That’s why I’ll be an immovable object on sharing anytime I am captain. As long as I share, a non-zero amount of money goes out.



Actually this is where you are wrong. It is played against players (non poolers) (side poolers) and the wiz at the same time. Some minds cant grasp that and others can which is the reason some poolers have stole when they figured out what was going on to minimize the money going to the non poolers and side poolers.
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July 21st, 2018 at 6:30:32 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Exactly, and if either of those are the case, the other teams are not to blame for that. So, one team and only one team should share.

Rumor has it that OD claimed to other team captains he was committed to sharing no matter what.

Perhaps that's true and it would look funny if he made an offer knowing it was not obtainable he was always going to steal.

But as you said, if he was certain another team captain was going to steal then his money is safe.

As of right now, it looks like DJteddybear is the only person left who could make it unanimous.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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July 21st, 2018 at 6:34:08 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Rumor has it that OD claimed to other team captains he was committed to sharing no matter what.

Perhaps that's true and it would look funny if he made an offer knowing it was not obtainable he was always going to steal.

But as you said, if he was certain another team captain was going to steal then his money is safe.

As of right now, it looks like DJteddybear is the only person left who could make it unanimous.



My money says there is a steal. $5. Any takers
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July 21st, 2018 at 6:35:03 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Rumor has it that OD claimed to other team captains he was committed to sharing no matter what.

Perhaps that's true and it would look funny if he made an offer knowing it was not obtainable he was always going to steal.

But as you said, if he was certain another team captain was going to steal then his money is safe.

As of right now, it looks like DJteddybear is the only person left who could make it unanimous.



I only saw posts from me, max, and aye agreeing to share if all others commit, but I trust Axel...
Sir, if I see a post from you saying it is unanimous, I will vote share.
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July 21st, 2018 at 6:41:01 PM permalink
Quote: troopscott

Actually this is where you are wrong. It is played against players (non poolers) (side poolers) and the wiz at the same time. Some minds cant grasp that and others can which is the reason some poolers have stole when they figured out what was going on to minimize the money going to the non poolers and side poolers.



Let me ask you a question:

What do you think would happen in the game if everybody was in the, “Main pool?”

You need no poolers and side poolers for there to BE a main pool, because you need them for there to be a game.

That’s what you don’t understand.

The key is to collude against the Wizard without him knowing everyone is doing just that. All related conversation to that end should have been PM from the beginning, except Admins, can’t trust them...while you put on a front in this thread.
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July 21st, 2018 at 6:46:29 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Rumor has it that OD claimed to other team captains he was committed to sharing no matter what.

Perhaps that's true and it would look funny if he made an offer knowing it was not obtainable he was always going to steal.

But as you said, if he was certain another team captain was going to steal then his money is safe.

As of right now, it looks like DJteddybear is the only person left who could make it unanimous.



Maybe. Or, maybe one of the captains you talked to is lying to you.

Either way, no way OD makes his offer unless he knows someone is stealing, whether it be him or someone else. The $50 never existed, and I suspect the other $30 from Wizard never existed, either.

It was always $20 or $0.

The cake is a lie.
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July 21st, 2018 at 7:07:40 PM permalink
Quote: troopscott


My message to you and keeneone was I think as many as 4 teams could steal. Your message was I am voting share either way. At that point no other discussion needed to be had. You had two lock teams who were stealing and two other possibilities who might and you didn't care. Why try to quarterback now when you are not a leader?



The Pieces FIt!!!

As a captain last round, you tried to convince other teams to steal, but made, “Assumptions,” rather than any effort to convince other teams to share. You didn’t have to worry about me, because you knew I was sharing anyway.

Everyone stealing benefits nobody, that’s the most obvious thing in the world.

Once you found that out, you felt you had no reason to communicate with other teams. You could have tried to convince them to share, but never made the effort.

Why? What possible motive?

The pieces fit. The cake was a lie. There was no $30, only $10.

Wizard had you in the bag to steal last round no matter what.
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July 21st, 2018 at 7:43:24 PM permalink
I'm voting share. I encourage the others to change their vote if they've stolen.

The vote has been cast as a share.
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Here is an update of the money table.

Player Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Total
AxelWolf 0 0 0 0 0.4 0.67 1.07
Ayecarumba 0.4 0.4 0 1 0.5 0.67 2.97
beachbumbabs 0.4 0.4 0 0 0.4 0.67 1.87
billryan 0.4 0 0 1 0 0 1.4
Boz 0.4 0 0 0 0 0 0.4
Dalex64 0.4 0.4 0 1 0.4 0 2.2
djatc 0 0 0 1 0.5 0.67 2.17
DJTeddyBear 0.4 0.4 0 1 0.4 0 2.2
Face 0.4 0.4 1 0 0.5 0 2.3
gamerfreak 0 0.4 0 1 0.5 0.67 2.57
gordonm888 0 0.4 1 0 0.4 0.67 2.47
GWAE 0.4 0.4 0 1 0.4 0.67 2.87
HeyMrDJ 0.4 0 0 0 0 0 0.4
Jmarch79 0.5 0.4 0 0 0 0 0.9
Joeman 0.4 0 1 1 0 0.67 3.07
JohnnyQ 0 0.4 0 1 0.4 0 1.8
Jufo81 0 0 1 0 0.5 0 1.5
Keeneone 0 0.4 0 1.25 0 0 1.65
MaxPen 0 0.5 0 0 0.4 0 0.9
MidwestAP 0.4 0.4 1 1 0.4 0 3.2
Mikey75 0 0.4 0 1 0 0 1.4
miplet 0.5 0.5 0 0 0.4 0.67 2.07
Mission146 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Nathan 0.5 0.4 1 0 0.4 0.67 2.97
OnceDear 0.5 0.4 0 1.25 0 0 2.15
onenickelmiracle 0.5 0 1 1 0.4 0 2.9
PlayYourCardsRight 0 0.5 1 1.25 0.5 0 3.25
PokerGrinder 0.4 0 0 1 0 0.67 2.07
prozema 0.4 0.4 0 1 0.5 0 2.3
Romes 0 0 0 1.25 0.4 0 1.65
RS 0.5 0.4 0 0 0.4 0.67 1.97
SM777 0 0.4 0 0 0 0.67 1.07
sodawater 0.4 0 0 0 0 0 0.4
SOOPOO 0.5 0 0 1 0.5 0 2
Torghatten 0 0.4 0 0 0 0 0.4
troopscott 0.5 0.5 1 0 0 0.67 2.67
UKMark 0.4 0.4 1 0 0.4 0.67 2.87
Total 10 10 10 20 10 10 70


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July 21st, 2018 at 8:11:32 PM permalink
Quote: prozema

I only saw posts from me, max, and aye agreeing to share if all others commit, but I trust Axel...
Sir, if I see a post from you saying it is unanimous, I will vote share.

Unfortunately, I think we have one team committed to stealing.

It seemed to be just about every team captain said they would only vote share if they had a reasonable belief that all were sharing, if not, they would vote steal.

Its, in my opinion, no one believes all teams will share so now all teams are going to want to vote steal.

It's highly disappointing we can't cooperate, and get The Wizards money.

As I said, I'm in the, watch the world burn, state of mind. Going forward unless people convince me they have changed their tune and want to cooperate I'm going to push for stealing.

I have a proposal for Mike next round: If he allows me to pick the team Captains I'm willing to rebate him the prize money for that round if even just one team steals. Perhaps that will restore my faith. I will even send him a list of 3 people he might assume I will pick and exclude them from being team captains.
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July 21st, 2018 at 8:18:22 PM permalink
After all we've been through, do you want to be known as the guy that has sex with women or men that are passed out or dead? That's what a steal vote is this round.
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July 21st, 2018 at 8:20:50 PM permalink
Quote: onenickelmiracle

After all we've been through, do you want to be known as the guy that has sex with women that are passed out and dead? That's what a steal vote is this round.



Is she cute?
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July 21st, 2018 at 8:21:55 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Unfortunately, I think we have one team committed to stealing.

It seemed to be just about every team captain said they would only vote share if they had a reasonable belief that all were sharing, if not, they would vote steal.

Its, in my opinion, no one believes all teams will share so now all teams are going to want to vote steal.

It's highly disappointing we can't cooperate, and get The Wizards money.

As I said, I'm in the, watch the world burn, state of mind. Going forward unless people convince me they have changed their tune and want to cooperate I'm going to push for stealing.

I have a proposal for Mike next round: If he allows me to pick the team Captains I'm willing to rebate him the prize money for that round if even just one team steals. Perhaps that will restore my faith. I will even send him a list of 3 people he might assume I will pick and exclude them from being team captains.



Teddy bear?
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July 21st, 2018 at 8:37:28 PM permalink
Quote: prozema

Teddy bear?



If Teddy isn’t in the bag, OnceDear will just have to steal himself. But, now Axel is, so now OD and Teddy can share and deny the whole thing, which is fine.

Part of having people in the bag is you really want to have that slimmest shadow of doubt that they’re in the bag.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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July 21st, 2018 at 8:40:52 PM permalink
Quote: prozema

Teddy bear?

I think we should just wait to hear from him and not assume just yet.
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July 21st, 2018 at 8:42:27 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

If Teddy isn’t in the bag, OnceDear will just have to steal himself. But, now Axel is, so now OD and Teddy can share and deny the whole thing, which is fine.

Part of having people in the bag is you really want to have that slimmest shadow of doubt that they’re in the bag.

Axel can't steal, he's not a team Captain.
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July 21st, 2018 at 8:48:17 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Axel can't steal, he's not a team Captain.



Sorry, thought you were.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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July 21st, 2018 at 8:49:47 PM permalink
By the way, I wasn’t saying you’re in the bag, Axel. I was saying that if anyone else announces they’re going to steal, then DJ and OD can share and claim they are not in cahoots with Wizard.

Even though they are.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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July 21st, 2018 at 9:00:13 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

By the way, I wasn’t saying you’re in the bag, Axel. I was saying that if anyone else announces they’re going to steal, then DJ and OD can share and claim they are not in cahoots with Wizard.

Even though they are.

I would be surprised if The Wizard is in cahoots with anyone. Do you think Mike would run a crooked game?

We could ask him(he can't lie) but he might not answer the question so we all think that's is the case.
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July 21st, 2018 at 9:05:14 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

Sorry, thought you were.

That's ok, I have some dirt on our team captain.

Just think porn, Hillary, and Obama while enjoying a 99c steak.
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July 21st, 2018 at 9:11:18 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I have a proposal for Mike next round: If he allows me to pick the team Captains I'm willing to rebate him the prize money for that round if even just one team steals. Perhaps that will restore my faith. I will even send him a list of 3 people he might assume I will pick and exclude them from being team captains.



I'm interested. Let's discuss by PM.

Quote: AxelWolf

I would be surprised if The Wizard is in cahoots with anyone. Do you think Mike would run a crooked game?



As a reminder, I'm not allowed to lie. That said, I have not and will not buy votes. However, I may gently nudge people, if I wish.
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July 21st, 2018 at 9:54:56 PM permalink
I am a member of OD's team. We are voting Share.
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July 21st, 2018 at 11:21:25 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Unfortunately, I think we have one team committed to stealing.

It seemed to be just about every team captain said they would only vote share if they had a reasonable belief that all were sharing, if not, they would vote steal.

Its, in my opinion, no one believes all teams will share so now all teams are going to want to vote steal.

It's highly disappointing we can't cooperate, and get The Wizards money.

As I said, I'm in the, watch the world burn, state of mind. Going forward unless people convince me they have changed their tune and want to cooperate I'm going to push for stealing.

I have a proposal for Mike next round: If he allows me to pick the team Captains I'm willing to rebate him the prize money for that round if even just one team steals. Perhaps that will restore my faith. I will even send him a list of 3 people he might assume I will pick and exclude them from being team captains.


Here is my last gasp try to get something out of Mike this round...

If the big pool agrees to guarantee the five members of my team at least 75 cents each this round (some of which will go back into the pool) we will vote share.
That way, at least we all get something instead of ZED. Should a sharing miracle occur and the teams all split the $100, we would not need to receive the sacrificial lamb stipend. I need a guarantee PM by 7:30 p.m. Sunday, Vegas time.
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July 21st, 2018 at 11:28:34 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I would be surprised if The Wizard is in cahoots with anyone. Do you think Mike would run a crooked game?

We could ask him(he can't lie) but he might not answer the question so we all think that's is the case.



There is a difference between a crooked game and controlling the variance
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July 21st, 2018 at 11:35:44 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Here is my last gasp try to get something out of Mike this round...

If the big pool agrees to guarantee the five members of my team at least 75 cents each this round (some of which will go back into the pool) we will vote share.
That way, at least we all get something instead of ZED. Should a sharing miracle occur and the teams all split the $100, we would not need to receive the sacrificial lamb stipend. I need a guarantee PM by 7:30 p.m. Sunday, Vegas time.



Geez... Loss rebates too? aye yai yai!
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July 21st, 2018 at 11:49:59 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

Here is my last gasp try to get something out of Mike this round...

If the big pool agrees to guarantee the five members of my team at least 75 cents each this round (some of which will go back into the pool) we will vote share.
That way, at least we all get something instead of ZED. Should a sharing miracle occur and the teams all split the $100, we would not need to receive the sacrificial lamb stipend. I need a guarantee PM by 7:30 p.m. Sunday, Vegas time.

At this point we have not yet heard from DJTeddybear. And I still don't 100% trust OD's team will share and or isn't conspiring with DJTB.

I have shared or suggested share or in each round including the first time we played (I abstained from voting once). It seems to me as if a few people have taken advantage of the people who share more often than not.

So now, I have the pleasure of both worlds. If all share, I get what I want. If not, I get to make this my theme song.

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July 22nd, 2018 at 12:27:05 AM permalink
DJTBs team (me, anyway) has heard nothing from him. Fwiw.
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July 22nd, 2018 at 12:33:03 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

DJTBs team (me, anyway) has heard nothing from him. Fwiw.



It’s just like I told my team last round, I knew what I was doing, so I had no need to consult with them.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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July 22nd, 2018 at 4:18:05 AM permalink
It’s against my better judgement, but I’m voting share
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July 22nd, 2018 at 6:13:43 AM permalink
Cool, now we just need OD to commit to kicking in $50 if:

A. Everyone Shares

Or

B. OnceDear’s team steals

After that, for any of the other six teams to steal will require that they lied.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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July 22nd, 2018 at 7:24:28 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

DJTBs team (me, anyway) has heard nothing from him. Fwiw.


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July 22nd, 2018 at 7:28:17 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

It’s against my better judgement, but I’m voting share



This means everyone has said publicly or committed to Axel they will vote share, right?

DJTB... Voting share is against my better judgement too, but I'm doing the same based on what I've read.
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