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mrsuit31
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August 21st, 2017 at 6:13:32 AM permalink
For all of you fellow thrones folks. I have been having an ongoing theory debate with my buddies on the subject. I have had multiple theories through the last few seasons (no I don't read theory articles online) regarding who is actually the Night King. I have, on multiple occasions, started to think that Bran is actually everyone, the three eyed raven (which has been confirmed), Bran the builder who was responsible for building the wall (as he went back and altered the past in one of his flashback, maybe even purposefully "drowning" in one of his flashbacks) and now I'm leaning towards him being the night king as well. His recent demeanor change makes me think that he is starting to piece everything together and perhaps he is so somber because he now knows the truth about everything in that he is truly responsible for everything. Additionally, Leaf (the main child of the forest) tell shim that they created the walkers to protect the children against "you" (meaning Bran) and "men". The last time someone refereed to Bran as being something in the show, it was Jojen telling him that he cant kill the three eyed raven in his dream when he was chasing it with his bow, because "the three eyed raven is you". Therefore, In my opinon, when anyone tells bran that he actually is someone or something, I now take that as truth... Last, the warging session where the mad king looks abruptly in the direction of Bran's warged raven possy, making them scatter, makes me think that he knows Bran is watching him, because its actually Bran.

Regarding Rhaegar, he is the only character that has never been developed in the slightest. However, we are now learning Jon's true background in being a Targarian and the rightful heir to the throne. However, if the stories about how Robert killed Rhagar are true, then the scene where they children create the walkers by stabbing the unnamed guy in the heart with the dragon glass dagger, creating the night king, would be flawed because according to the legend, Robert crushed Rhaegar's chest with his hammer killing him. However, we know that people can be brought back to life by the lord of light...... The man who was depicted in the night king creation scene, was a man with short blondish hair and bright blueish eyes, attributes of Rhaegar we have learned over time. The main reasons why I think it is Rhaegar is because A) the way he (the night king) looks at Jon every time he sees him can be implied that he somehow knows that Jon is his son, B) the fact that the night king is unbothered by fire and simply walks through it makes me think that he is a Targarian, C) now that they have there own white dragon, which he will most definitely ride, further implies that he is the third rider of Targarian decent.

On the old stark who was the former lord commander of the night's watch, I've got nothing. My buddy claims this is still the main theory, but I don't buy it.

Anyone have any thoughts??
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August 21st, 2017 at 2:02:31 PM permalink
I think the show is well done, but has some obvious flaws. Most obvious being time and distance seems to change at will. It took several episodes for The Hound to get from The Red Wedding to the North. but Aria does it in one episode. Now people go from Dragonstooth to Kings Landing, back to Dragon Tooth and then to The Wall in one episode. Jon is ambushed, sends to the Wall for help, who then sends a raven to Dragonstooth, where Dany takes the time to have a custom form fitting fur coat made and then flies to the North to rescue John. Meanwhile the dead have been marching towards the wall for many episodes now.
Other than that, I like the show and don't read much speculation about it, nor watch trailers or leaked footage.
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August 21st, 2017 at 2:23:59 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I think the show is well done, but has some obvious flaws. Most obvious being time and distance seems to change at will. It took several episodes for The Hound to get from The Red Wedding to the North. but Aria does it in one episode. Now people go from Dragonstooth to Kings Landing, back to Dragon Tooth and then to The Wall in one episode. Jon is ambushed, sends to the Wall for help, who then sends a raven to Dragonstooth, where Dany takes the time to have a custom form fitting fur coat made and then flies to the North to rescue John. Meanwhile the dead have been marching towards the wall for many episodes now.
Other than that, I like the show and don't read much speculation about it, nor watch trailers or leaked footage.

This is worded exactly how I would put it.

I haven't read anything about it nor looked ahead to sneak peaks or leaked footage. All I've seen are the up to date episodes.

As far as the night king, I think he's his own character. I mean, they showed the man they turned in to the night king, so I doubt it would be anyone else. I think it would be nice to have it all be a time laps of Bran or the 3 eyed raven looking in to the future, and then to have the last episode go back to Winterfell with Ned still being alive (the feels)... but then again that would also piss a lot of people off as it would be a 'feel good' ending and not a real ending.

What are they going to do with Daneris (since she doesn't like being called Danny) and John? Isn't he like, her half brother then or something? Or am I messing up the family tree? If that's the case they can't have them end up together, can they? I'm waiting for the episode when John flies a dragon. They def seem to hint at that when Dracaras was "cool" with him.
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August 21st, 2017 at 3:03:21 PM permalink
Get real. You guys are only watching this show because of the soft core porn. 😎
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August 21st, 2017 at 3:31:00 PM permalink
They have/had lines out on who would rule the Iron Throne at the end of this season.

They had Cersei Lannister at around -300 give or take. I thought it was odd that she was the only one that was - money. For those who don't know she is a villain who's character FK's her brother.

I was thinking Sansa Stark at +2000
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August 21st, 2017 at 3:34:32 PM permalink
how can the night king be rhaegar?!

the white walkers was last seen a thousand years ago.
that implies they were around long before that.


tangent:
why cant the white walkers just walk around the wall?
when a great winter comes, wouldn't the river next to the wall be frozen over?
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August 21st, 2017 at 4:53:19 PM permalink
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Get real. You guys are only watching this show because of the soft core porn. 😎



I have Cinemax for that.
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mrsuit31
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August 21st, 2017 at 5:51:46 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I think the show is well done, but has some obvious flaws. Most obvious being time and distance seems to change at will.



That's fair. That really started last season. When some people just randomly appeared together on the boats with Dani.

Quote: Romes

What are they going to do with Daneris (since she doesn't like being called Danny) and John? Isn't he like, her half brother then or something? Or am I messing up the family tree? If that's the case they can't have them end up together, can they? I'm waiting for the episode when John flies a dragon. They def seem to hint at that when Dracaras was "cool" with him.



He's her nephew. She, Viserys an Rhaegar are siblings. John is the son of Rhaegar and Lyanna Stark. As far as ending up together... I think Axel's Character summery of Cersei, reinforces all incest possibilities on the show...

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They had Cersei Lannister at around -300 give or take.



Smart, knowing the walkers would really be the focus this season. There is still a chance she dies next episode, but I think the next change of power will be the final one next season.

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Get real. You guys are only watching this show because of the soft core porn. 😎



Talk to Grey Worm about that...

Quote: 100xOdds

how can the night king be rhaegar?!

the white walkers was last seen a thousand years ago.
that implies they were around long before that.


tangent:
why cant the white walkers just walk around the wall?
when a great winter comes, wouldn't the river next to the wall be frozen over?



I feel like anything is possible now that Bran can "drown" in the past. Who's to say its just him. I feel like the night king isn't the original one. Didn't the first men prevail the first time around? Maybe this is the second coming after being recreated by the children of the forest. But I honestly don't know....

Tangent:

Lol, fair question.
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August 21st, 2017 at 9:19:57 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I think the show is well done, but has some obvious flaws. Most obvious being time and distance seems to change at will. It took several episodes for The Hound to get from The Red Wedding to the North. but Aria does it in one episode. Now people go from Dragonstooth to Kings Landing, back to Dragon Tooth and then to The Wall in one episode. Jon is ambushed, sends to the Wall for help, who then sends a raven to Dragonstooth, where Dany takes the time to have a custom form fitting fur coat made and then flies to the North to rescue John. Meanwhile the dead have been marching towards the wall for many episodes now.
Other than that, I like the show and don't read much speculation about it, nor watch trailers or leaked footage.


I don't think it's necessarily supposed to be 100% chronological or perfect timing between segments. I didn't read a lot of the books, but the little I did read seemed to Be broken up by character, with each chapter advancing a particular story arc a bit. Sort of hard to put that all on screen in real time.
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August 21st, 2017 at 9:29:32 PM permalink
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What are they going to do with Daneris (since she doesn't like being called Danny) and John? Isn't he like, her half brother then or something? Or am I messing up the family tree? If that's the case they can't have them end up together, can they? I'm waiting for the episode when John flies a dragon. They def seem to hint at that when Dracaras was "cool" with him.


There's plenty of purposeful incest in the show, so I doubt accidental incest is off the table.

Like someone already mentioned, Dany is John's aunt. Rhaegar Targaryen (Dany's Brother) had an affair with Lyanna Stark (Ned's Sister), and she got pregnant and died giving birth to John, who Ned adopted.

I'm not sure who is alive that knows this and could tip them off before they get all weird together.

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