Golden Balls -- Game 2

Game 1 of Golden Balls I thought was fun and interesting, although not all of us learned the virtue of altruism yet. So, let's see what we can learn from another round, shall we!

Normally Golden Balls (also known as Friend or Foe) is a simple-two player game. A certain pool of prize money is made available. To determine who gets it, each player must choose "share" or "steal." Here are the possible outcomes:

1. Both choose share: They share the money.
2. One share and one steal: The person who steals gets all of it.
3. Both steal: Both get nothing.

This version will still consist of two-player games, but lots of them. Here is how we will adapt the game to the forum this time.

1. Game will be limited to 20 players.
2. In each round, 10 matches will be randomly determined.
3. There will be a total of 10 rounds.
4. Each round shall have a pool of 5% to 35% of the total prize money, according to the table below. Each individual match up will have 10% of the prize pool for that round.
5. Choices for each round should be submitted to Ayecarumba, who has kindly volunteered to be the secretary.
6. Once the game starts, there shall be a round exactly every two days.

Prize money share per round.

Round	Share of prize money
1	5%
2	5%
3	5%
4	10%
5	5%
6	5%
7	20%
8	5%
9	5%
10	35%
Total	100%

The total prize pool in dollars has yet to be determined, but will be between $125 and $200.

So, I'm looking for 20 players. I'm going to reserve 10 spots for members in good standing who didn't play in round 1. Otherwise, players will be chosen more or less randomly if we get more requests than spots. Please PM me (don't use the thread) if you want to play and are willing to keep on top of what is going on for 20 days. I'm expecting players to actively participate.

The registration period shall last from now until 8:00 PM tomorrow (Tuesday) Pacific time.

I should also like to mention, since any of my opponents would be insane for ever trusting me in a game like this again, that I will be the Official Announcer and Color Commentator for this game, if anyone would like to serve as Official Co-Announcer, please hit me with a PM. The first person to offer to announce (banter) the game with me gets the job!

Quote: Mission146

I will be the Official Announcer and Color Commentator for this game, ...!

Indeed, Mission will be the official announcer. Who would ever share with him again?

So far seven requests for GB II.

Well, since I was originally confused by the rules and format of the original game, and even more confused by this new game, I'll sit this one out.

13 requests so far.

Four hours to go to register.

We conveniently got exactly 20 people to register. Here are the round 1 matchups.

rainman vs. gameterror
AcesAndEights vs. bbvk05
paisiello vs. FrGamble
SOOPOO vs. vendman1
makingbook vs. miplet
WongBo vs. Croupier
strictlyAP vs. Maverick17
JohnnyQ vs. dwheatley
thecesspit vs. avargov
winmonkeyspit3 vs. Din

Choices are due by 8:00 AM on Friday. Please submit them to Ayecarumba via PM. As with the last game, all choices shall be made public, which is an exception to the normal PM rule.

Have at it!

Just to confirm, in round 2 will the matches be completely random again or will previous match-ups between people be excluded?

Quote: paisiello

Just to confirm, in round 2 will the matches be completely random again or will previous match-ups between people be excluded?

Completely random. So if you steal against somebody, it is possible you will face him again later. Then again, who would steal from a priest?

Quote: Wizard

Completely random. So if you steal against somebody, it is possible you will face him again later. Then again, who would steal from a priest?

When he steals, he can say "I'm a priest, not a saint."

Good luck everyone.

I am sure that someone named after the great Church musician and opera writer who shared his talents with the world will be open to sharing a little wealth together.

As was mentioned in Golden Balls I, I would match any winnings donated to an approved charity to the prize pool of this game. Of the $200, $125 was earmarked to Opportunity Village. I'm also chipping in another $100, so the total prize pool shall be $225.

So, round one has 5% of the $225 at stake, or $11.25. There are ten matches, so $1.125 per match this round.

Let me offer my prediction for round 1. With a total of ten rounds, I see this one as a faith building round. I anticipate a lot of sharing, even from the selfish players. It would seem a short-term sacrifice for a possibly successful steal in the rounds with more money at stake. Mission, what are your thoughts and predictions?

Hi Wizard,

To clarify... Are non-submissions to be taken as automatic losses, no matter what their opponent chose? And if both players do not submit in time, does their amount carry over to the next round's pool, get spread amongst the other current round's contestants, or simply roll back into your pocket?

Quote: Ayecarumba

To clarify... Are non-submissions to be taken as automatic losses, no matter what their opponent chose?

Yes.

Quote:

And if both players do not submit in time, does their amount carry over to the next round's pool, get spread amongst the other current round's contestants, or simply roll back into your pocket?

Rolls back into my pocket!

Thanks for the clarification. Just so everyone knows: To be fair to all, I will be using the time stamp on the PM message box to determine eligibility. If a selection is received after a round's posted deadline, it will be void, even if it was received prior to the posting of the results.

Quote: Wizard

Let me offer my prediction for round 1. With a total of ten rounds, I see this one as a faith building round. I anticipate a lot of sharing, even from the selfish players. It would seem a short-term sacrifice for a possibly successful steal in the rounds with more money at stake. Mission, what are your thoughts and predictions?

I agree with your analysis, here, Wiz.

As with the previous GoldenBalls Challenge, we saw that those who chose to steal in Round 1 quickly had an example made out of them with the one making it the furthest (TimSpeed) sacrificing himself anyway because he knew that the game was up. Someone could decide to steal in this Round and pick up an easy win, but they're basically going to have to show good faith by sacrificing themselves with a Share in the next few Rounds to show they can be trusted again. If they continue to steal, they will fail to win anymore rounds as nobody will share with them.

You win one Round pretty easily, but necessarily sacrifice a few other Rounds.

The one game changer could be that the format of this tournament is not, "One and done." In other words, agreements between competitors who are not necessarily facing one another in this Round to share in later Rounds may have already been made. If this is the case, and a participant already knows he has a few other mutual shares floating around out there, then maybe he goes for an early round steal in that kind of situation.

My selection is IN.

I've made my strategy. Anyone who contacts me and requests to share, I will share with. Anyone who I do not make contact with I will select steal. I will always try and make contact with my opponent. Anyone, therefore, who wants to lie to me will be able to eliminate me. The EV for me of never being a liar far outweighs what extra I could win by being a liar. As I said to my 'opponent', vendman, I think that now that I understand this game more, I am not sure it is good for the forum. I consider us all 'friends' here, and using subterfuge to win a few dollars at a 'friends' expense does no one any good. So, unless someone lies to me, I will be a shared winner. If someone chooses to lie to me, they can eliminate me. Simple.

Quote: SOOPOO

If someone chooses to lie to me, they can eliminate me. Simple.

Uh...I think maybe you misunderstood this 2nd game version. You can't be eliminated, only end up with less or no money in the end.

Quote: Wizard

We conveniently got exactly 20 people to register. Here are the round 1 matchups.

rainman vs. gameterror
AcesAndEights vs. bbvk05
paisiello vs. FrGamble
SOOPOO vs. vendman1
makingbook vs. miplet
WongBo vs. Croupier
strictlyAP vs. Maverick17
JohnnyQ vs. dwheatley
thecesspit vs. avargov
winmonkeyspit3 vs. Din

Choices are due by 8:00 AM on Friday. Please submit them to Ayecarumba via PM. As with the last game, all choices shall be made public, which is an exception to the normal PM rule.

Have at it!

Happy Thanksgiving! I have sent replies to the PM's I have received so far. With a little more than 30 minutes to go before the deadline, I am still missing some selections. If you haven't sent me your choice yet, put down the cranberry sauce, and get typing.

Arent you twenty four hours early? Its only Thursday....

Quote: thecesspit

Arent you twenty four hours early? Its only Thursday....

Ooops! Thanks cesspit. You saved the game from my inattention. I was so fixated on the two day turn around, that the Wizard's mention of a Friday at 8 am deadline didn't register. Have a great day!

I figured with Thanksgiving I'd give some extra time for the first round.

Quote: Wizard

We conveniently got exactly 20 people to register. Here are the round 1 matchups.

rainman vs. gameterror
AcesAndEights vs. bbvk05
paisiello vs. FrGamble
SOOPOO vs. vendman1
makingbook vs. miplet
WongBo vs. Croupier
strictlyAP vs. Maverick17
JohnnyQ vs. dwheatley
thecesspit vs. avargov
winmonkeyspit3 vs. Din

Choices are due by 8:00 AM on Friday. Please submit them to Ayecarumba via PM. As with the last game, all choices shall be made public, which is an exception to the normal PM rule.

Have at it!

Presenting your Round 1 selections:

Player 1	P1 Selects	vs.	Player 2	P2 Selects
rainman	Share	vs.	gameterror	Share
AcesAndEights	Share	vs.	bbvk05	No Response
paisiello	Share	vs.	FrGamble	Share
SOOPOO	Share	vs.	vendman1	Share
makingbook	Steal	vs.	miplet	Steal
WongBo	Share	vs.	Croupier	Share
strictlyAP	No Response	vs.	Maverick17	Steal
JohnnyQ	Share	vs.	dwheatley	Share
thecesspit	Share	vs.	avargov	Share
winmonkeyspit3	Share	vs.	Din	Share

Will there be an ongoing chart showing the total won per player and their record?

Quote: Ayecarumba

Presenting your Round 1 selections:

GB2 - Round 1

Player 1	P1 Selects	vs.	Player 2	P2 Selects
rainman	Share	vs.	gameterror	Share
AcesAndEights	Share	vs.	bbvk05	No Response
paisiello	Share	vs.	FrGamble	Share
SOOPOO	Share	vs.	vendman1	Share
makingbook	Steal	vs.	miplet	Steal
WongBo	Share	vs.	Croupier	Share
strictlyAP	No Response	vs.	Maverick17	Steal
JohnnyQ	Share	vs.	dwheatley	Share
thecesspit	Share	vs.	avargov	Share
winmonkeyspit3	Share	vs.	Din	Share

Muahahaha, that sweet, sweet dollar-twelve-and-a-half is mine!

My strategy turned out to be pretty successful - I hired a hit man to "eliminate" my opponent so I could pocket the winnings without voting "steal," thus preserving my reputation for future rounds!

Sorry for the late accounting but I was out hiking all day. Here, in alphabetical order, is everyone's first round play and how much they have earned thus far.

Player	Round 1	Bank
AcesAndEights	Share	$1.13
avargov	Share	$0.56
bbvk05	No Response	$-
Croupier	Share	$0.56
Din	Share	$0.56
dwheatley	Share	$0.56
FrGamble	Share	$0.56
gameterror	Share	$0.56
JohnnyQ	Share	$0.56
makingbook	Steal	$-
Maverick17	Steal	$1.13
miplet	Steal	$-
paisiello	Share	$0.56
rainman	Share	$0.56
SOOPOO	Share	$0.56
strictlyAP	No Response	$-
thecesspit	Share	$0.56
vendman1	Share	$0.56
winmonkeyspit3	Share	$0.56
WongBo	Share	$0.56

I'm going to add a rule that any player with two rounds with no response will be eliminated. If that results in an odd number of players somebody at random will get a full share for that round.

Finally, here are the round 2 match-ups. Same $11.25 pool for this round as the last one. Plays are due by 8:00 AM PST on Sunday.

avargov vs. Maverick17
Din vs. dwheatley
FrGamble vs. JohnnyQ
miplet vs. makingbook
SOOPOO vs. rainman
bbvk05 vs. AcesAndEights
Croupier vs. thecesspit
WongBo vs. paisiello
winmonkeyspit3 vs. vendman1
strictlyAP vs. gameterror

Let me start the discuss and analysis of round 1. Interestingly, the three players whose names begin with M, all stole, and were the only thieves. I trust that Mission, ahem, can find some signifance in that.

However, what really surprised me, is that miplet stole! This is the man who shared three times in GBI, and claimed he was going to share during his short tenure as team captain. Did the knife in his back from team WongBo cause him to suddenly become jadded and bitter? Miplet...why did you do it?

Quote: Wizard

Let me start the discuss and analysis of round 1. Interestingly, the three players whose names begin with M, all stole, and were the only thieves. I trust that Mission, ahem, can find some signifance in that.

However, what really surprised me, is that miplet stole! This is the man who shared three times in GBI, and claimed he was going to steal during his short tenure as team captain. Did the knife in his back from team WongBo cause him to suddenly become jadded and bitter? Miplet...why did you do it?

Sharing is boring. MakingBook stole in the 1st round of the first golden balls. I said that I will be stealing on round 1, and if he choose to share, then I would choose share in any future rounds. He rejected my offer. He didn't offer a counter offer and I was too busy to think of one. I see we have met again in round 2. Hopefully there will be atleast one share. I appalagize of there was any confusion with my offer.

Quote: miplet

Sharing is boring. MakingBook stole in the 1st round of the first golden balls. I said that I will be stealing on round 1, and if he choose to share, then I would choose share in any future rounds. He rejected my offer. He didn't offer a counter offer and I was too busy to think of one. I see we have met again in round 2. Hopefully there will be atleast one share. I appalagize of there was any confusion with my offer.

Similarly, in the last challenge I was paired up with MakingBook in the first round and we were both eliminated. He sent me a message with his intentions to steal so I had no choice but to steal as well. I proposed that we both share but received no response. Will be interesting to see what happens this week.

Quote: Wizard

Let me start the discuss and analysis of round 1. Interestingly, the three players whose names begin with M, all stole, and were the only thieves. I trust that Mission, ahem, can find some signifance in that.

However, what really surprised me, is that miplet stole! This is the man who shared three times in GBI, and claimed he was going to steal during his short tenure as team captain. Did the knife in his back from team WongBo cause him to suddenly become jadded and bitter? Miplet...why did you do it?

That is an interesting observation about the players whose names begin with, "M," all stealing.

The first Round went basically as I had anticipated, if what Miplet suggests is true, then it seems that MakingBook and himself ended up with a de facto arrangement to mutually steal, though that may not speak to their long-term trustworthiness. It is true that MB stole in the first round of GB1, but in this case, he was presented with an opponent who told him he was going to steal...so his decision is understandable.

Maverick17 also stole, but you will notice that his opponent had no response, so it can be presumed that there was no communication there. We had this situation come up in the previous game and I mentioned that if one chooses to share, then one still advances against an opponent who doesn't respond, but all that means is that it really doesn't matter what the person who does respond does. I still think it is odd that an individual is inclined to choose steal in such a situation, but ultimately, it makes no difference.

I expect this Round to play out much like the first, with very few Steals. You expect players to try to build trustiworthiness still at this early stage in the game, so we'll probably see more Steals when the take is a higher percentage of the pot.

Quote: Mission146

I expect this Round to play out much like the first, with very few Steals. You expect players to try to build trustiworthiness still at this early stage in the game, so we'll probably see more Steals when the take is a higher percentage of the pot.

I expect that the overall extremely low cash value of a steal, when one told their opponent that they would share, would make it the rare bird who would lie to a fellow forum member over a few dollars. I still am trying to imagine what circumstance I would tell a 'friend' I would share and then steal.. Can't think of any.....

Quote: SOOPOO

I expect that the overall extremely low cash value of a steal, when one told their opponent that they would share, would make it the rare bird who would lie to a fellow forum member over a few dollars. I still am trying to imagine what circumstance I would tell a 'friend' I would share and then steal.. Can't think of any.....

It's a game, though. It's not about a small amount of money, it's about winning, the winner is the one who finishes with the most money. The money itself is essentially meaningless, just a method by which score is kept.

Quote: Mission146

It's a game, though. it's about winning, the winner is the one who finishes with the most money. The money itself is essentially meaningless, just a method by which score is kept.

Many a man has been led to ruin by that same thought process !

Quote: Wizard

Sorry for the late accounting but I was out hiking all day. Here, in alphabetical order, is everyone's first round play and how much they have earned thus far.

Player	Round 1	Bank
AcesAndEights	Share	$1.13
avargov	Share	$0.56
bbvk05	No Response	$-
Croupier	Share	$0.56
Din	Share	$0.56
dwheatley	Share	$0.56
FrGamble	Share	$0.56
gameterror	Share	$0.56
JohnnyQ	Share	$0.56
makingbook	Steal	$-
Maverick17	Steal	$1.13
miplet	Steal	$-
paisiello	Share	$0.56
rainman	Share	$0.56
SOOPOO	Share	$0.56
strictlyAP	No Response	$-
thecesspit	Share	$0.56
vendman1	Share	$0.56
winmonkeyspit3	Share	$0.56
WongBo	Share	$0.56

I'm going to add a rule that any player with two rounds with no response will be eliminated. If that results in an odd number of players somebody at random will get a full share for that round.

Finally, here are the round 2 match-ups. Same $11.25 pool for this round as the last one. Plays are due by 8:00 AM PST on Sunday.

avargov vs. Maverick17
Din vs. dwheatley
FrGamble vs. JohnnyQ
miplet vs. makingbook
SOOPOO vs. rainman
bbvk05 vs. AcesAndEights
Croupier vs. thecesspit
WongBo vs. paisiello
winmonkeyspit3 vs. vendman1
strictlyAP vs. gameterror

Presenting the Round 2 Selections. Apparently, many folks were still in turkey comas, and StrictlyAP and bbvk05 are now eliminated for Non-Responses:

Player 1	P1 Selects	vs.	Player 2	P2 Selects
avargov	Steal	vs.	Maverick17	No Response
Din	No Response	vs.	dwheatley	Share
FrGamble	Share	vs.	JohnnyQ	Share
miplet	Share	vs.	makingbook	Share
SOOPOO	Share	vs.	rainman	Share
bbvk05	No Response	vs.	AcesAndEights	No Response
Croupier	Share	vs.	thecesspit	Share
WongBo	No Response	vs.	paisiello	Steal
winmonkeyspit3	Share	vs.	vendman1	No Response
StrictlyAP	No Response	vs.	gameterror	No Response

Updated box score through round 2.

Player	Round 1	Round 2	Bank
AcesAndEights	Share	No Response	$1.13
avargov	Share	Steal	$1.69
bbvk05	No Response	No Response	$-
Croupier	Share	Share	$1.13
Din	Share	No Response	$0.56
dwheatley	Share	Share	$1.69
FrGamble	Share	Share	$1.13
gameterror	Share	No Response	$0.56
JohnnyQ	Share	Share	$1.13
makingbook	Steal	Share	$0.56
Maverick17	Steal	No Response	$1.13
miplet	Steal	Share	$0.56
paisiello	Share	Steal	$1.69
rainman	Share	Share	$1.13
SOOPOO	Share	Share	$1.13
strictlyAP	No Response	No Response	$-
thecesspit	Share	Share	$1.13
vendman1	Share	No Response	$0.56
winmonkeyspit3	Share	Share	$1.69
WongBo	Share	No Response	$0.56

Round 3 matchups. Responses due 8:00 AM PST on Tuesday.

AcesAndEights vs. Maverick17
avargov vs. miplet
Croupier vs. paisiello
Din vs. rainman
dwheatley vs. SOOPOO
FrGamble vs. thecesspit
gameterror vs. vendman1
JohnnyQ vs. winmonkeyspit3
makingbook vs. WongBo


The following players are on probation: AcesAndEights, Din, gameterror, Maverick17, Vendman1, WongBo. One more round without a response and you will be eliminated from the game.

Only 2 steals this time, and both against Non responses. Even MakingBook and I agreed to share this time. 8 people didn't send in their picks. This next round should be interesting as its the one before the 15% round.

What I find depressing about round 2 is that 40% of the players didn't submit a response. Maybe in the future I'll allow more time around weekends and holidays. Still, it is expected that everyone actively participate. Even FrG managed to submit a response, and the Thanksgiving period has got to be busy in his occupation.

Also of note is I think this was MakingBook's first share, between both games. Successful steals by avargov, and paisiello -- but will it cost them long term? I look forward to Mission's commentary on the round.

Sorry guys with all the holiday festivities the deadline got away from me. I was away from my computer with limited internet access.

Quote: Wizard

What I find depressing about round 2 is that 40% of the players didn't submit a response. Maybe in the future I'll allow more time around weekends and holidays. Still, it is expected that everyone actively participate. Even FrG managed to submit a response, and the Thanksgiving period has got to be busy in his occupation.

Also of note is I think this was MakingBook's first share, between both games. Successful steals by avargov, and paisiello -- but will it cost them long term? I look forward to Mission's commentary on the round.

Disappointing for sure to see the low response rate. I was especially surprised that Vendman1 didn't submit his response as we had talked via PM. Hopefully those on probation will participate this week.

Edit: Apologies to Vendman1 based on his above response. I will take all of the 56 cents that you missed out on though, thank you :)

Quote: Wizard

Successful steals by avargov, and paisiello -- but will it cost them long term?

Speaking for myself I only stole against WongBo in comeuppance for his backstabbing STEAL in the previous GB I's final round. Turns out I didn't need to even do it.

Sorry to have missed the most recent deadline, was and still am drunk all weekend...



GO BROWNS!!!!!!!!! Pittsburgh sucks!!!

Won't miss another round

Quote: winmonkeyspit3

Disappointing for sure to see the low response rate. I was especially surprised that Vendman1 didn't submit his response as we had talked via PM. Hopefully those on probation will participate this week.

Edit: Apologies to Vendman1 based on his above response. I will take all of the 56 cents that you missed out on though, thank you :)

Dammit I needed that 56 cents for my sick cat :)

Quote: Maverick17

GO BROWNS!!!!!!!!!

It's a Miracle on East 9th Street !

Quote: Wizard

What I find depressing about round 2 is that 40% of the players didn't submit a response. Maybe in the future I'll allow more time around weekends and holidays. Still, it is expected that everyone actively participate. Even FrG managed to submit a response, and the Thanksgiving period has got to be busy in his occupation.

Also of note is I think this was MakingBook's first share, between both games. Successful steals by avargov, and paisiello -- but will it cost them long term? I look forward to Mission's commentary on the round.

Thank you, Wiz!

This Round basically went as I anticipated, and in my opinion, it was no surprise to see MakingBook and Miplet both share this time around as they saw that the only thing they accomplished last round was failing to win a share of the money.

I continue to be surprised by all of the individuals that choose steal against individuals who fail to respond, (and who, it can be assumed, fail to respond to PM's) though I kind of understand the decision now. My theory is that, if an indiividual builds a reputation for automatically sharing with those who do not respond, then stealing from that person is a simple affair. Simply do not open/respond to that person's PM's, and then choose Steal. I don't know that you would risk reputation points to pull off such subterfuge in an early Round, but in a 20%/35% round, I would definitely do that against someone who always shared with opponents who did not respond to PM's...especially if I was known for sharing, anyway!

I expect there to be little difference in the Third Round or the Fourth Round, because quite frankly, you don't want to lose reputation points over a larger share of 10% of the prize pool. It's not worth it because everyone will assume that you are going to steal in the higher rounds regardless of how you may try to convince them. If you'd steal for a bigger cut of 10%, then why not 35%?

It can be a very difficult task, but the ultimate goal is to find a way to steal in the final round with relative ease. It's especially tough in a non-elimination format because there are so many people out there that have, "Steal," on their minds for the final round. In my opinion, there are so many people that will steal in the final round that it may be the round in which we see this thing decisely won (because the Share/Share and Share/Steals will be so few that the 35% of the prize pool hardly gets chopped) that someone can come from behind and take the win.

I suppose we are far enough in that I can detail what my strategy would have been without compromising anything:

Multi-Share Strategy

This is what I would have done:

1.) Make agreements with ten of my opponents prior to the start of the game to always share regardless of the percentage or what round we are playing. Given that I have about a 53% chance of drawing one of those people as my opponent, (10/19) then I know that I will have mutual shares locked up for a theoretcial five or six of the Rounds.

2.) ALWAYS share in the first six rounds. Whether or not the person with whom you are sharing is part of your ten-man cooperative is irrelevant. You can afford to take a hit in one of these early rounds for a larger projected return later. The trust that you build will pay off later.

3.) STEAL in the 20% Round (This is why you have built that trust) unless the person from whom you are stealing is part of your cooperative, then SHARE. This is why you have built that trust, but you will be able to justify it to everyone in the cooperative by stating that you did not say that you will share ALL of the time and that you have not betrayed anyone in the cooperative.

4.) Rounds Eight/Nine really depend on what you did in Round 7 (20%). If you shared in Round 7, then you might attempt a Steal if you are paired up with someone who is not in the cooperative, because you can justify that steal to the cooperative. If you stole in Round 7, then you probably want to try to re-build trust in these last two Rounds (prior to Round 10) by sharing just in case you get paired up against someone not in the cooperative.

5.) In Round Ten (35%) if you get paired up with someone who is not in the cooperative, kind of feel them out to see how likely they are to Share. If you really believe that they will Share and a share necessarily has you finishing #1 (Because you are already in the lead) then STEAL because you think they are going to Share!!! If you think they are going to Steal, then Steal because you think they are going to Steal!!!

Always Steal!!!

If you do not think you can finish #1, then you might as well Share.

6.) If you get paired up with someone from the cooperative in Round Ten, then regardless of the situation or your position in the game, you stab that person right between the shoulder blades. "In a bet, there is a fool and a thief!"

I apologize formissing last round. I was in Vegas and lost track of time. Funy how that works.

Quote: Wizard

What I find depressing about round 2 is that 40% of the players didn't submit a response. Maybe in the future I'll allow more time around weekends and holidays. Still, it is expected that everyone actively participate. Even FrG managed to submit a response, and the Thanksgiving period has got to be busy in his occupation.

D'oh! I blame the holiday and my girlfriend for keeping me away from the intarwebs. When I realized that I had forgotten about this game, I was thinking it would be funny if bbkv05 had responded this time and gotten the same result as me last time - oh well, guess he's gone for good now.

Previously there were 10 pairings, so for these 5% rounds... $225.00*.05= 11.25/10 pairings= 1.125 per pairing.

Now that there are 9 pairings will it be 11.25/9 = 1.25 per pairing or will the 1.125 per 5% per round go back to the Wizard?

Doesn't seem substantial now, but by the end of the tournament it will amount to 9% of the total prize pool ($20.25) so it is worth raising the question. Could be even more if additional people are eliminated in this round.

Quote: winmonkeyspit3

Now that there are 9 pairings will it be 11.25/9 = 1.25 per pairing or will the 1.125 per 5% per round go back to the Wizard?

Any money from lost pairings goes back to me. If a player loses a lottery ticket they don't increase everybody else's winnings. Participation is required, as a group, to win my money.

Quote: Wizard

Any money from lost pairings goes back to me. If a player loses a lottery ticket they don't increase everybody else's winnings. Participation is required, as a group, to win my money.

Cool. Makes sense, especially considering you are bankrolling the game out of pocket.