Mission146
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September 10th, 2012 at 1:54:26 PM permalink
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Since the kick was headed for the crossbar, and not clearly through, I think if GB had caught it, or knocked it down, they might have gotten away with it.



If the Refs did the right thing, you should never be able to get away with that. I would say that the only way a player can legally make any attempt to prevent the ball from going out of the end zone, in this situation, is if it has absolutely no chance of being a completed field goal. The only way I could envision a player ever getting away with it would be to swat the ball AFTER it has struck the crossbar, because prior to that event, I doubt if the naked eyeball is really good enough to determine (from the vantage point of either official) that the ball was not going to, "Pass above the crossbar." I'd also say you wouldn't be, "Getting away with anything," because (unless I am interpreting the rule incorrectly) it would be legal to smack the ball after it has made contact with the crossbar.
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September 10th, 2012 at 2:04:40 PM permalink
The question's been answered, but I don't like it. Why shouldn't "goaltending" be allowed?

Once the ball leaves the line of scrimmage, the defense may, at any time, take it, punch it, block it, grab it, or wrestle it away from the offense. It's live.

Center muffs the snap, defense can take it.
The holder is slow with the place, defense can crush him and take it.
Kicker is slow to kick, defense can block and take it.
Kicker kicks too low, defense can block and take it.
Kicker kicks it short, defense can catch and take it.
If the kicker kicks it long enough but wide, I'm sure the defense can jump to catch it before it goes out of bounds and return it.

So where is this arbitrary line?

If a guy has the wherewithall to position himself, jump and reach perfectly to save three points, he should be given a game ball. Not a 15yd penalty.
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September 10th, 2012 at 3:12:04 PM permalink
Quote: Face

The question's been answered, but I don't like it. Why shouldn't "goaltending" be allowed?

Once the ball leaves the line of scrimmage, the defense may, at any time, take it, punch it, block it, grab it, or wrestle it away from the offense. It's live.

Center muffs the snap, defense can take it.
The holder is slow with the place, defense can crush him and take it.
Kicker is slow to kick, defense can block and take it.
Kicker kicks too low, defense can block and take it.
Kicker kicks it short, defense can catch and take it.
If the kicker kicks it long enough but wide, I'm sure the defense can jump to catch it before it goes out of bounds and return it.

So where is this arbitrary line?

If a guy has the wherewithall to position himself, jump and reach perfectly to save three points, he should be given a game ball. Not a 15yd penalty.



I agree completely. However, once the ball crosses the line of scrimmage untouched, the applied rules are different. I never looked over the "official" rules until now. There sure are alot of penalties for playing defense.
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September 10th, 2012 at 4:45:54 PM permalink
Quote: Ayecarumba

I agree completely. However, once the ball crosses the line of scrimmage untouched, the applied rules are different.



Indeed, but I can't find a connection. And now I need to argue about it.

Once kicked from the ground and past the line of scrimmage, and assuming it remains in bounds the entire time, one of three things happens. Either A) nobody touches it, it is blown dead after coming to a rest, and the ball is returned to the place of kicking, B) the kicking team touches it, and either 1) controls it, at which point it's dead, or 2) miffs it (Leon Lett, anyone?) at which point it is live, or C) the defending team touches it, at which point it is live.

In your goaltending scenario, only "C" applies.

I just can't find a logical explanation or any scenario in which the goaltending rule applies, other than for goaltending. Surely, if the kicker kicked a line drive and someone "blocked" it 10 yds past the line of scrimmage, it'd be live. If someone jumped in the endzone, short of the goalposts, but contacted the ball 11 feet off the ground, it'd be live. If someone jumped to prevent a ball kicked far enough for a field goal, but wide, from going out of bounds, it'd be live.

So it's not following predefined rules, it's simply a goaltending rule. And that is completely stupid =)
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September 10th, 2012 at 5:06:19 PM permalink
Sheriff Face NFL does not stand for National HOCKEY League. Case closed !
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September 10th, 2012 at 5:07:50 PM permalink
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Sheriff Face NFL does not stand for National HOCKEY League. Case closed !



And that's exactly why there should be no rules governing goaltending =p
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September 10th, 2012 at 5:09:47 PM permalink
They should allow dwarf tossing to block / knock down field goal attempts.
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