When Enough is Truly Enough
Quote: MaxPenWhat exactly do you think the police are going to do?
I expect they would at least interview him?
Side question for the forum.... especially those that yap about 'background checks' before guns can be legally purchased. If a background check came upon his post, would you prevent him from buying a gun?
Why is it you have to know who he is? Why can't you just report what you know? Are you too lazy to do a little research on the forum and find that stuff out? It's all available if you really want it. Perhaps you can't be bothered. Or perhaps you already have and you just want to just spur on others in order to cause the guy as much damage as possible.Quote: Zcore13I'm sure his apologies will go a long way after he goes crazy after a a string of losses sometime and does shoot some place up.
If I knew who he was I report him to police whether or not anyone else was going to. You never know if it gets done or not.
ZCore13
If one reads his post, I think it was stated as a hypothetical.
If there's ever a real reason to stay away from a forum, I would think knowing their will be FBI investigations going on, and knowing there are people who enjoy watching a guy possibly having serious RL issues, that would do it for many.
Quote: billryanIF the authorities were to reach out to Mike or the moderators, do you think the Mods would make that public?
No, comments aren't usually made on an ongoing investigation.
To all the people in this post trying to entice others into doing something about ZenKings post, why haven't you done something about it yourself?
But most importantly it is there forum moderators and then website owners to have a duty to public safety.
I know that if the same post went on Facebook or Twitter, it would be reported, removed, and I would likely get a visit from my LEO. More importantly my entry into the US would likely get denied or I might get arrested outright at the border.
There's blowing off steam, but there are limits to free speech.
Quote: AdamWinsterNo, comments aren't usually made on an ongoing investigation.
To all the people in this post trying to entice others into doing something about ZenKings post, why haven't you done something about it yourself?
I actually did. Days ago. But it helps to have multiple people (especially moderators and admins) report on something if one thinks there is a serious problem. I've done all I can do, and the mods say they're handling it, so that's good enough for me.
Quote: boymimboThe moderators and sysadms likely have ZKs real information. That information is far more relevant than me providing a screen name only.
But most importantly it is there forum moderators and then website owners to have a duty to public safety.
I know that if the same post went on Facebook or Twitter, it would be reported, removed, and I would likely get a visit from my LEO. More importantly my entry into the US would likely get denied or I might get arrested outright at the border.
There's blowing off steam, but there are limits to free speech.
Exactly. The moderators have informed us countless times , after every tirade , that they know this guy. And I know they at least know his name and phone number because inevitably right after every insult and swear laden post , the mods chime in with all the “hey I’m your friend call me” nonsense.
I know other forum members who did report him. They waited on those who run the forum to say that they had taken the proper steps , we were never told that occurred , so unfortunately others had to step in.
https://www.casino.org/news/accused-venetian-exec-killer-dodges-possible-death-penalty
Quote: FCBLComishAll I want to say is does anyone remember what happened at the Venetian last year?
https://www.casino.org/news/accused-venetian-exec-killer-dodges-possible-death-penalty
That happened in a park at a company function.
Quote: SOOPOOI expect they would at least interview him?
Side question for the forum.... especially those that yap about 'background checks' before guns can be legally purchased. If a background check came upon his post, would you prevent him from buying a gun?
I would not allow him to have a gun.
Quote: MaxPenThat happened in a park at a company function.
Correct. The shooter was not happy with the casino, and took it out on the personnel at a company picnic.
I have seen the same type of anger from ZK about some specific casinos, and I am worried that the same thing may happen. It would be 1000 times worse if we had warning and we did not act on that warning.
Quote: michael99000But the shame here is that those who operate the board where the threat was posted have not notified authorities and let us know they did such. The venues he threatened to shoot up, along with naming the specific weapon he would use , are in a city that is central to this forum , and that we all have family and friends that frequent.
Instead we get some link to a lame explanation on another message board. “Hey everyone , take a look at this if you’re concerned.” LOL
Pathetic.
We mods can take constructive criticism, but this was went well past the insult line.
Sentence -- time served (three days). I'll take any heat for this one.
They get swamped with this kind of stuff; and are very good at separating the wheat from the chaff. People who are too young, too drunk, showing off, experimenting with the internet, using drugs, got dumped by a lover, etc., say crazy things on the internet. If they do it on You Tube, it sometimes makes the media, but the amount of wild stuff that gets typed on social media is enormous. It is a river, a flood, an ocean.
(Historical example: Robert Oppenheimer talked openly about planning to poison one of his professors in college -and went on to be the scientific leader of the Manhattan Project with a top security clearance. People around him used their judgment.)
Law enforcement and the FBI are so overloaded -mostly with real threats and real bad guys. I believe they will spend zero time on this. I mean, zero point zero nanoseconds on it. I could tell you stories to convince you of this point, but I'm not going to work that hard.
I honestly believe the right response is for friends and associates to intervene with ZK and counsel him. That is a constructive approach, a proportional response and most likely to be an effective countermeasure. If people who intervene with ZK become alarmed by their interactions with him then there may be a basis for elevating it to societal systems. If you talked privately to an FBI agent, I believe that is what the FBI agent would advise you to do. Its like when you discover that a family member is using illegal drugs - you don't call the police and report a crime, rather you counsel and try to get him help and off of the drugs. And the police appreciate that you handled it that way.
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I honestly believe the right response is for friends and associates to intervene with ZK and counsel him.
Trouble is, I would say almost uniformly the message by police and FBI has been, see something, say something.
Not me or friends to try to evaluate. Have not heard that.
Quote: gordonm888I have some past basis for insight into the FBI and certain "terrorist security" parts of the government.
They get swamped with this kind of stuff; and are very good at separating the wheat from the chaff. People who are too young, too drunk, showing off, experimenting with the internet, using drugs, got dumped by a lover, etc., say crazy things on the internet. If they do it on You Tube, it sometimes makes the media, but the amount of wild stuff that gets typed on social media is enormous. It is a river, a flood, an ocean.
(Historical example: Robert Oppenheimer talked openly about planning to poison one of his professors in college -and went on to be the scientific leader of the Manhattan Project with a top security clearance. People around him used their judgment.)
Law enforcement and the FBI are so overloaded -mostly with real threats and real bad guys. I believe they will spend zero time on this. I mean, zero point zero nanoseconds on it. I could tell you stories to convince you of this point, but I'm not going to work that hard.
I honestly believe the right response is for friends and associates to intervene with ZK and counsel him. That is a constructive approach, a proportional response and most likely to be an effective countermeasure. If people who intervene with ZK become alarmed by their interactions with him then there may be a basis for elevating it to societal systems. If you talked privately to an FBI agent, I believe that is what the FBI agent would advise you to do. Its like when you discover that a family member is using illegal drugs - you don't call the police and report a crime, rather you counsel and try to get him help and off of the drugs. And the police appreciate that you handled it that way.
Does the FBI have its guidelines published somewhere as to which mass shooting threats posted on the internet should be shrugged off vs which should be reported ?
It’s seems like a very important decision to simply be decided by people who know the person. Or by people who happen to be members of the same forum.
Quote: michael99000Does the FBI have its guidelines published somewhere as to which mass shooting threats posted on the internet should be shrugged off vs which should be reported ?
It’s seems like a very important decision to simply be decided by people who know the person. Or by people who happen to be members of the same forum.
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Michael9900, if you are truly alarmed and feel threatened then pick up the damn phone and fulfill your obligations as a citizen. Call the FBI or 911 and report it, and stop pointing fingers and asking others to do do it. Don't use the excuse that you don't know ZK's real name, because law enforcement can approach the forum and get his real name.
You and others on this thread are treating this like a game, trying to bait the administrators into doing something that you personally should be doing. They have no more responsibility to report an alarming threat (If that is what you view this as being) then you do.
Personally, I am not alarmed by what ZK said and I do not consider it to be a threat. The administrators may or may not be alarmed by what ZK said. If you, Michael9900 are alarmed and feel threatened, then stop posting and arguing and exclaiming; Act like an adult and report it to law enforcement.
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If you insist on making everything black and white, then you will never see the shades of gray.
There is a 100% difference between public statements and private statements. I mentioned a hypothetical private conversation with an FBI agent. You responded by asking me for a publicly posted website.
If an individual makes a statement that alarms you, you report it - your call will be logged and their name will go into a database and be electronically checked against known members of known terrorist organizations -which, IMO, does not make the decision on reporting ZK a "very important decision" because nothing will happen except some electrons will move around. If the person making the statement is known to you and your colleagues, I suggest you intervene and get them into counseling, where a professional can make decisions and manage the case.
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I think this thread should be closed. This is a sensitive discussion about a real person, and imo, some participants on this thread are "making mischief." The administrators should make a decision and not publicly discuss it. Every other person can also make their own personal decisions and do whatever they think they should.
Quote: FCBLComishCorrect. The shooter was not happy with the casino, and took it out on the personnel at a company picnic.
I have seen the same type of anger from ZK about some specific casinos, and I am worried that the same thing may happen. It would be 1000 times worse if we had warning and we did not act on that warning.
FCBLComish, if you are worried and sincerely feel this way, then pick up the phone and report it. Stop asking others to do it. See my post above.
Here in Europe, this kind of discussion is totally irrelevant.
ZenKing’s post would be taken with a shrug. Everyone would know it is just steaming off and the risk is nil.
Why?
Because in our civilized countries, no simple citizen owns or can acquire guns!
You shout out your fears here, because USA expériences regular and frequent dramas of gun owners shooting up people for whatever bad reason they have.
In Canada, in Europe, in Asia, etc. when it ever happens it is once in a decade and creates shock at « How is it possible that this guy owned a gun? »
So:
The answer to your problem is not « shouls we signal ZenKing to the authorities ». It is « should we ban gun ownership, as does every civilized country in the world ».
Quote: kubikulann
So:
The answer to your problem is not « signal ZenKing to the authorities ». It is « ban gun ownership, as does every civilized country in the world ».
Oh, boy, this thread is goin' places....
I have no intent of hijacking the ZK thread. Rather, to kill it as unnecessary...
For the least encephalically endowed:
« Gun ownership is good/bad » —> other thread
« Gun ownership (good or bad or neither) is a cause of Americans’ worrying about an innocuous post »—> this thread
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Michael9900, if you are truly alarmed and feel threatened then pick up the damn phone and fulfill your obligations as a citizen. Call the FBI or 911 and report it, and stop pointing fingers and asking others to do do it. Don't use the excuse that you don't know ZK's real name, because law enforcement can approach the forum and get his real name.
You and others on this thread are treating this like a game, trying to bait the administrators into doing something that you personally should be doing. They have no more responsibility to report an alarming threat (If that is what you view this as being) then you do.
Personally, I am not alarmed by what ZK said and I do not consider it to be a threat. The administrators may or may not be alarmed by what ZK said. If you, Michael9900 are alarmed and feel threatened, then stop posting and arguing and exclaiming; Act like an adult and report it to law enforcement.
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If you insist on making everything black and white, then you will never see the shades of gray.
There is a 100% difference between public statements and private statements. I mentioned a hypothetical private conversation with an FBI agent. You responded by asking me for a publicly posted website.
If an individual makes a statement that alarms you, you report it - your call will be logged and their name will go into a database and be electronically checked against known members of known terrorist organizations -which, IMO, does not make the decision on reporting ZK a "very important decision" because nothing will happen except some electrons will move around. If the person making the statement is known to you and your colleagues, I suggest you intervene and get them into counseling, where a professional can make decisions and manage the case.
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I think this thread should be closed. This is a sensitive discussion about a real person, and imo, some participants on this thread are "making mischief." The administrators should make a decision and not publicly discuss it. Every other person can also make their own personal decisions and do whatever they think they should.
Where in the post of mine that you quoted did I ask anyone else to do anything ? I didn’t. But since I didn’t construct my post in bold lettering , perhaps it was difficult to read.
I was simply asking a general question. You seem to know exactly what the FBI would do or not do, you know what they want to be told of or not be told of , you also told us what they’d suggest we do. So with you being an expert on FBI reaction to mass shooting threats on Internet forums , I knew you were the one to ask my question to. This was a general question about when it’s proper to shrug these things off vs when to report. And since you know exactly what the FBI wants to see, I thought you might also know if the guidelines are published for when to ignore threats.
Like many have stated prior in this thread , we were under the assumption of “if you see something , say something”. If that has since changed to .. “if you see something , first make sure it’s not just a harmless disgruntled person venting”.. then I’m on board with that.
Quote: ams288Me waiting for Face’s response:
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Quote: kubikulannÀ message to our American friends.
Here in Europe, this kind of discussion is totally irrelevant.
ZenKing’s post would be taken with a shrug. Everyone would know it is just steaming off and the risk is nil.
Why?
Because in our civilized countries, no simple citizen owns or can acquire guns!
You shout out your fears here, because USA expériences regular and frequent dramas of gun owners shooting up people for whatever bad reason they have.
In Canada, in Europe, in Asia, etc. when it ever happens it is once in a decade and creates shock at « How is it possible that this guy owned a gun? »
So:
The answer to your problem is not « shouls we signal ZenKing to the authorities ». It is « should we ban gun ownership, as does every civilized country in the world ».
On a board where probably 90% of the members are American I am one of the few people who will agree with you I think.
P.S I’m Canadian
Quote: PokerGrinderOn a board where probably 90% of the members are American I am one of the few people who will agree with you I think.
P.S I’m Canadian
I am going to post that I agree with you. Partly because I do and partly because I think gun debates turn fun. Got my popcorn out already. Although I can't eat it because of my diet.
I really don't believe people were actually worried ZK was going to do anything, they just don't like ZK.Quote: Face
As gordonm888 intelligently put..... " This is a sensitive discussion about a real person, and imo, some participants on this thread are "making mischief." No doubt ZK is a dumb ass when it comes to certain things.
People are all worried about ZK, meanwhile, I have read some of your posts....And let me tell ya, If I had to pick someone who might go postal....
Please don't take offence to that. I know what you and others are probably thinking, how can one not take offence to that? Well, all my reason would actuality be compliments, things I don't think I could articulate well enough though witting, so I won't try.
AND LET MAKE IT CLEAR, NO YOU DON'T CONCERN ME! I'm just saying, IF I had to pick someone.
Quote: kubikulannÀ message to our American friends.
Here in Europe, this kind of discussion is totally irrelevant.
ZenKing’s post would be taken with a shrug. Everyone would know it is just steaming off and the risk is nil.
Why?
Because in our civilized countries, no simple citizen owns or can acquire guns!
You shout out your fears here, because USA expériences regular and frequent dramas of gun owners shooting up people for whatever bad reason they have.
In Canada, in Europe, in Asia, etc. when it ever happens it is once in a decade and creates shock at « How is it possible that this guy owned a gun? »
So:
The answer to your problem is not « shouls we signal ZenKing to the authorities ». It is « should we ban gun ownership, as does every civilized country in the world ».
“civilized”
Quote: AxelWolfPeople are all worried about ZK, meanwhile, I have read some of your posts....And let me tell ya, If I had to pick someone who might go postal....
Please don't take offence to that. I know what you and others are probably thinking, how can one not take offence to that? Well, all my reason would actuality be compliments, things I don't think I could articulate well enough though witting, so I won't try.
AND LET MAKE IT CLEAR, NO YOU DON'T CONCERN ME! I'm just saying, IF I had to pick someone.
No offense whatsoever. I know what I look and sound like lol. I was just trying to share the fact you can be emotionally unhinged and riot on paper but still be locked in a logical state where you're a threat to no one, as that describes my entire adult life.
Just giving a different perspective and explaining why I didn't do something some felt strongly about.
Quote: Faceyou can be emotionally unhinged and riot on paper but still be locked in a logical state where you're a threat to no one,
So wait until that person actually
kills someone so you can say, oops,
I guess I should have done something.
Makes sense to me..
Quote: FaceNo offense whatsoever. I know what I look and sound like lol. I was just trying to share the fact you can be emotionally unhinged and riot on paper but still be locked in a logical state where you're a threat to no one, as that describes my entire adult life.
Just giving a different perspective and explaining why I didn't do something some felt strongly about.
Do you think that anyone who has actually carried out a mass shooting .. was at one point in their life simply emotionally unhinged on paper, and then crossed over into taking action ?
Weren’t all these shooters at some prior point in their life considered harmless normal people by their friends , coworkers , etc?
Quote: michael99000Weren’t all these shooters at some prior point in their life considered harmless normal people by their friends , coworkers , etc?
Yup. Or the friends say they weren't
surprised, he'd been talking about it
for years. Like suicide, they often
talk about killing themselves for
decades before they do it.
Quote: AxelWolfI really don't believe people were actually worried ZK was going to do anything, they just don't like ZK.
Not true. I do not dislike anyone here, since I have only met a few of you. I am concerned.
Gordon, who said I did not report it also?
Yes, I understand.Quote: RS“civilized”
It hurts, doesn’it, when you realise your country, with its gun laws and death penalty, is in a category with the worst unkempt and anti democratic countries in the world, and not part of the elite... Laughing is the ideal escape route, a kind of denial of the facts.
I knew a guy like you.
He kept beating his children, and laughed out loud when told he was primitive. He naturally thought he was the epitome of civilization.
He should have emigrated to the USA.
But he was brown and Muslim, so he would have been rejected. Not because he beat his children, though...
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Don’t misunderstand me.
I love the USA
They just have two pieces of legislation that would be ridiculous if they were not so dangerous and pro-death.
A sort of socio-political suicide.
Which I regret BECAUSE I like the US. Please stop that folly of killing each other.
Quote: EvenBobSo wait until that person actually
kills someone so you can say, oops,
I guess I should have done something.
Makes sense to me..
Nope. Rather I used what life experiences I had to gauge the threat and found nothing worth responding to, let alone having a severe emotional reaction about. If your experiences tell you differently, that's about as right as rain. You're free to make calls and do your civic duty, just as I feel I have done mine.
Quote: michael99000Do you think that anyone who has actually carried out a mass shooting .. was at one point in their life simply emotionally unhinged on paper, and then crossed over into taking action ?
Weren’t all these shooters at some prior point in their life considered harmless normal people by their friends , coworkers , etc?
Probably 100% of them.
But as I've said for years, I come from and stay within a low class of people. Talk like this is not sensational nor worrisome; it's positively idiomatic.
Again, I'm not arguing. I'm not saying your position or how you may have responded is incorrect. It's merely an explanation of my own.
Quote: rxwineFACE if you get drugs onboard it takes 5 people to hold you down. I think that's what you said. Sounds like beastmode resides in real life there somewhere.
/pedantry on
"Beastmode" is a physiological reaction. Whereas we're all mostly under the restraint of our nervous system so we don't beat our own self to death, "beastmode" turns those protections off allowing for your full potential of physical strength. The mom lifting a car off her baby, for example. My issue at the doc was similar, I think. I just needed to turn over, and no signals, pain or aural, were coming in to tell me to stop. Wasn't a mote of rage involved, which would be expected from one floating through Nirvana lol
/pedantry off
That aside, I'm not sure your point. That I could snap? No disagreement here. I do often. It takes very little these days for me to completely lose my cool. But, I can't deny the proof of the past. Even in the racing thread, that day 3yrs ago when I got pulled over riding all sorts of dirty, remember how pissed I was? Even in there, what did I say?
Quote: FaceI couldn't even load it, instead having to hit the trailer with some momentum. That smashed my exhaust all to hell. Had I parked the trailer differently, I'd have dumped a whole wheel of .38+P into the son of a bitch. I was just so f#$%ing done with the lot of it.
Even raged to the max, and literally at the range, and wholly able and allowed to do exactly what I wanted, with a loaded pistol in my pocket, I did not do it. Why? Trailer wasn't parked right, which means it wasn't lined up, and We Don't Send Rounds Down Range Blind.
I can't explain it, man. There's just a wall in my mind. It might be surrounded by grumpkins and snarks and things that go bump in the night, but it's got a 21yr record of impenetrability when it comes to physical violence against another living thing*.
*Northern Hate Dragons are exempt. There's not a Canada goose alive that doesn't need a good head twistin', and I would accept the job with glee.
Quote: Face/pedantry on
"Beastmode" is a physiological reaction. Whereas we're all mostly under the restraint of our nervous system so we don't beat our own self to death, "beastmode" turns those protections off allowing for your full potential of physical strength. The mom lifting a car off her baby, for example. My issue at the doc was similar, I think. I just needed to turn over, and no signals, pain or aural, were coming in to tell me to stop. Wasn't a mote of rage involved, which would be expected from one floating through Nirvana lol
/pedantry off
Erroneous! Erroneous! Erroneous on both counts.
Beastmode is how those ASMs take all your money at the BJ table.
Quote: unJonBeastmode is how those ASMs take all your money at the BJ table.
Pfft. Maybe for the dehydrated =p
Quote: FCBLComishNot true. I do not dislike anyone here, since I have only met a few of you. I am concerned.
Gordon, who said I did not report it also?
No one. I wasn't mad at you or criticizing you when I posted my reply to you. We just had had some (other) people on this thread saying the Administrators on this site were pathetic for not acting against ZK. You stated (very articulately) that you judged that ZK was a potential danger, so I was just trying to reinforce the point that people should report things themselves.
I disagree with almost everything in this post.Quote: FTBAs some of you are aware: we had, yet again, another ZQ rant recently ("OFFICIALLY HAD IT" posted July 6, 2019). And, yet again, just another slap on the wrist (suspension).
When is enough truly enough?
Why another suspension instead of the nuclear option after all the warnings and suspensions?
I have said it before and I will say it again: the moderation on this forum is an absolute joke. Except this time, no one should be laughing when threats are being made by someone who, based on their posts and by that someone's own accounts of their actions (or inaction, as it were) is either mentally disturbed, delusional, or has some other form of mental defect that can lead to a tragedy.
Seriously, how many times is ZQ going to be allowed to insult members, use profanity and now, the most worrisome of all, make terroristic threats against casinos ZQ's already said will be sued into oblivion by ZQ while stating the city itself will regret messing with ZQ?
Inexpicably, Michael Shackleford's reply on occasion has been something to the effect of, Don't do that again but hey, you have the digits, call me if you need to talk, buddy, I'm here for you! That's borderline ridiculous and is not the proper way to address this egregious behavior.
All we need is for ZQ's ongoing rhetoric and obvious anger issues to turn into another shooting in Vegas because someone on this message forum in a position to do so isn't nuking this narcissistic and possibly dangerous forum member instead of suspending for the upteenth time.
Kentra's Korner was finally closed down and that was long overdue (better late than never). And that former member did not post if s/he had an M16, s/he swears on their life s/he would light up every joint in Vegas! (Yes, that is what ZQ disturbingly posted.) Blowing off steam or trolling for attention is one thing; making threats is another.
Don't make the same mistake twice by delaying the inevitable nuke: ZQ should not be allowed to post anymore, period; report all the posts to the proper authorities accordingly; and be done with this nonsense once and for all. A 90 day suspension accomplishes nothing .
1) Regardless of how many times a person falls in to the hole, refusing to put your hand out and help them out makes you just as clumsy, if not worse. I think it's fairly obvious ZK has been in a very dark space and I commend Mike for being willing to be a TRUE FRIEND to someone he probably doesn't actually know "all that well." It should really be a testament to the type of person Mike is for STILL being willing to do this, and yet you're here trying to bash him like that's some kind of a joke? Helping someone with a mental issue is some kind of joke? Get off your high horse.
2) If you put it to a forum vote (which I'm not saying we should actually do, just making a point) I would bet the majority vote to reinstate ZK, over and over. Why? Because his "normal" rants can be entertaining to the masses of the forum. He drives clicks and site views. It's how I view Connor McGreggor. I don't think he's one of the best of all time by a LONG SHOT, but the guy put asses in seats and got the PPV buys. So then he got his microphone and audience and he did his thing. While I do agree a different type of line was crossed in this past rant, and I'm not stating one way or another what I think should happen, I think it's again pretty high horse of you to sit and judge the mods of this site that VOLUNTEER to put hours and hours of their lives in day in and out.
As many mods and others have said before... If you don't like the posting/content here, there's the door.
Quote: RomesI disagree with almost everything in this post.Quote: FTBAs some of you are aware: we had, yet again, another ZQ rant recently ("OFFICIALLY HAD IT" posted July 6, 2019). And, yet again, just another slap on the wrist (suspension).
When is enough truly enough?
Why another suspension instead of the nuclear option after all the warnings and suspensions?
I have said it before and I will say it again: the moderation on this forum is an absolute joke. Except this time, no one should be laughing when threats are being made by someone who, based on their posts and by that someone's own accounts of their actions (or inaction, as it were) is either mentally disturbed, delusional, or has some other form of mental defect that can lead to a tragedy.
Seriously, how many times is ZQ going to be allowed to insult members, use profanity and now, the most worrisome of all, make terroristic threats against casinos ZQ's already said will be sued into oblivion by ZQ while stating the city itself will regret messing with ZQ?
Inexpicably, Michael Shackleford's reply on occasion has been something to the effect of, Don't do that again but hey, you have the digits, call me if you need to talk, buddy, I'm here for you! That's borderline ridiculous and is not the proper way to address this egregious behavior.
All we need is for ZQ's ongoing rhetoric and obvious anger issues to turn into another shooting in Vegas because someone on this message forum in a position to do so isn't nuking this narcissistic and possibly dangerous forum member instead of suspending for the upteenth time.
Kentra's Korner was finally closed down and that was long overdue (better late than never). And that former member did not post if s/he had an M16, s/he swears on their life s/he would light up every joint in Vegas! (Yes, that is what ZQ disturbingly posted.) Blowing off steam or trolling for attention is one thing; making threats is another.
Don't make the same mistake twice by delaying the inevitable nuke: ZQ should not be allowed to post anymore, period; report all the posts to the proper authorities accordingly; and be done with this nonsense once and for all. A 90 day suspension accomplishes nothing .
1) Regardless of how many times a person falls in to the hole, refusing to put your hand out and help them out makes you just as clumsy, if not worse. I think it's fairly obvious ZK has been in a very dark space and I commend Mike for being willing to be a TRUE FRIEND to someone he probably doesn't actually know "all that well." It should really be a testament to the type of person Mike is for STILL being willing to do this, and yet you're here trying to bash him like that's some kind of a joke? Helping someone with a mental issue is some kind of joke? Get off your high horse.
2) If you put it to a forum vote (which I'm not saying we should actually do, just making a point) I would bet the majority vote to reinstate ZK, over and over. Why? Because his "normal" rants can be entertaining to the masses of the forum. He drives clicks and site views. It's how I view Connor McGreggor. I don't think he's one of the best of all time by a LONG SHOT, but the guy put asses in seats and got the PPV buys. So then he got his microphone and audience and he did his thing. While I do agree a different type of line was crossed in this past rant, and I'm not stating one way or another what I think should happen, I think it's again pretty high horse of you to sit and judge the mods of this site that VOLUNTEER to put hours and hours of their lives in day in and out.
As many mods and others have said before... If you don't like the posting/content here, there's the door.
That’s interesting.
You claim that the tirades and rants are a cry for help and that people should reach out a hand to do so..
And then claim it’s ok to leave him on the forum and use those cries for help as our own personal entertainment.
The bottom line is, we’ve seen one after another rant post full of insults and foul language. Followed by a suspension. Followed by some lame b.s. apology. Followed eventually by the same exact cycle again. 6 or 7 times now. Why should this be allowed to continue ?
We all know the story. He’s losing at card counting, but he’s proficient enough at Donkey Kong tournaments to stay afloat financially . He’s got a $7500 car, no debt, and does not use an alarm clock.. the barometers we all use to measure success in life.. It’s not entertaining at all. The only value it might all hold is to push potential card counters away from that career , as they may see that this sad state is what their future holds also.
While I'm here.
LS = Nathan and more proof has been reviled. So all you people who harassed me over it.. SaD!!
Now that's some funny $h*t.Quote: RigondeauxYou can tell who the real APs are. Max EV is clearly to stay on ZK's good side.
I was actually going to say, at least I probably won't get shot. I didn't think it was kewl to say that at the time.
No doubt you relate to his character in Con Air.
TLDR.Quote: michael99000Quote: RomesI disagree with almost everything in this post.Quote: FTBAs some of you are aware: we had, yet again, another ZQ rant recently ("OFFICIALLY HAD IT" posted July 6, 2019). And, yet again, just another slap on the wrist (suspension).
When is enough truly enough?
Why another suspension instead of the nuclear option after all the warnings and suspensions?
I have said it before and I will say it again: the moderation on this forum is an absolute joke. Except this time, no one should be laughing when threats are being made by someone who, based on their posts and by that someone's own accounts of their actions (or inaction, as it were) is either mentally disturbed, delusional, or has some other form of mental defect that can lead to a tragedy.
Seriously, how many times is ZQ going to be allowed to insult members, use profanity and now, the most worrisome of all, make terroristic threats against casinos ZQ's already said will be sued into oblivion by ZQ while stating the city itself will regret messing with ZQ?
Inexpicably, Michael Shackleford's reply on occasion has been something to the effect of, Don't do that again but hey, you have the digits, call me if you need to talk, buddy, I'm here for you! That's borderline ridiculous and is not the proper way to address this egregious behavior.
All we need is for ZQ's ongoing rhetoric and obvious anger issues to turn into another shooting in Vegas because someone on this message forum in a position to do so isn't nuking this narcissistic and possibly dangerous forum member instead of suspending for the upteenth time.
Kentra's Korner was finally closed down and that was long overdue (better late than never). And that former member did not post if s/he had an M16, s/he swears on their life s/he would light up every joint in Vegas! (Yes, that is what ZQ disturbingly posted.) Blowing off steam or trolling for attention is one thing; making threats is another.
Don't make the same mistake twice by delaying the inevitable nuke: ZQ should not be allowed to post anymore, period; report all the posts to the proper authorities accordingly; and be done with this nonsense once and for all. A 90 day suspension accomplishes nothing .
1) Regardless of how many times a person falls in to the hole, refusing to put your hand out and help them out makes you just as clumsy, if not worse. I think it's fairly obvious ZK has been in a very dark space and I commend Mike for being willing to be a TRUE FRIEND to someone he probably doesn't actually know "all that well." It should really be a testament to the type of person Mike is for STILL being willing to do this, and yet you're here trying to bash him like that's some kind of a joke? Helping someone with a mental issue is some kind of joke? Get off your high horse.
2) If you put it to a forum vote (which I'm not saying we should actually do, just making a point) I would bet the majority vote to reinstate ZK, over and over. Why? Because his "normal" rants can be entertaining to the masses of the forum. He drives clicks and site views. It's how I view Connor McGreggor. I don't think he's one of the best of all time by a LONG SHOT, but the guy put asses in seats and got the PPV buys. So then he got his microphone and audience and he did his thing. While I do agree a different type of line was crossed in this past rant, and I'm not stating one way or another what I think should happen, I think it's again pretty high horse of you to sit and judge the mods of this site that VOLUNTEER to put hours and hours of their lives in day in and out.
As many mods and others have said before... If you don't like the posting/content here, there's the door.
That’s interesting.
You claim that the tirades and rants are a cry for help and that people should reach out a hand to do so..
And then claim it’s ok to leave him on the forum and use those cries for help as our own personal entertainment.
The bottom line is, we’ve seen one after another rant post full of insults and foul language. Followed by a suspension. Followed by some lame b.s. apology. Followed eventually by the same exact cycle again. 6 or 7 times now. Why should this be allowed to continue ?
We all know the story. He’s losing at card counting, but he’s proficient enough at Donkey Kong tournaments to stay afloat financially . He’s got a $7500 car, no debt, and does not use an alarm clock.. the barometers we all use to measure success in life.. It’s not entertaining at all. The only value it might all hold is to push potential card counters away from that career , as they may see that this sad state is what their future holds also.
ZK has my number and I talked to him soon after. He can call and vent anytime he wants to, night or day. If he just wants to go hang out or something that's cool with me.(no homo stuff obviously, I'll give him your number to handle that discussion (-; )
He seemed fine, and said he truly regretted his post.
Quote: AxelWolfZK has my number and I talked to him soon after. He can call and vent anytime he wants to, night or day. If he just wants to go hang out or something that's cool with me.(no homo stuff obviously, I'll give him your number to handle that discussion (-; )
He seemed fine, and said he truly regretted his post.
Wait a minute, are one of you really ZK? Is he a real person? Now I'm starting to get suspicious.
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Because in our civilized countries, no simple citizen owns or can acquire guns!
That's not quite true though. Simple citizens can and do acquire guns in Europe, just not fully automatic guns.
Yes, the procedures are far more strict than in the US, but what's most important for me is the mindset.
In Europe there is not nearly as much... pride and machosness to own/operate a gun. It's seen as a burden and a potential accident waiting to happen.
And yeah, someone threatens to blow up everyone cause he is frustrated about gambling? Shrug is even too big of a recognition in a European forum, it'll be mostly "ah, another kid acting tough keyboard warrior, we should demand ID proof for under aged members to be able to lock em in the kindergarten section".
Figures never lie, but liars sometimes figure. If you reread what I wrote I said "I'm not commenting on what should happen." Pretty sure that doesn't mean I'm saying anything either way, but thanks for the words in my mouth?Quote: michael99000...You claim that the tirades and rants are a cry for help and that people should reach out a hand to do so..
And then claim it’s ok to leave him on the forum and use those cries for help as our own personal entertainment...
A lot of us have actually met ZK irl though... so no more conspiracy theories today I'm afraid =D.Quote: rxwineWait a minute, are one of you really ZK? Is he a real person? Now I'm starting to get suspicious.
I have no idea what you are talking about, if you haven't been paying attention I don't know what to say.Quote: rxwineWait a minute, are one of you really ZK? Is he a real person? Now I'm starting to get suspicious.
