When Enough is Truly Enough
When is enough truly enough?
Why another suspension instead of the nuclear option after all the warnings and suspensions?
I have said it before and I will say it again: the moderation on this forum is an absolute joke. Except this time, no one should be laughing when threats are being made by someone who, based on their posts and by that someone's own accounts of their actions (or inaction, as it were) is either mentally disturbed, delusional, or has some other form of mental defect that can lead to a tragedy.
Seriously, how many times is ZQ going to be allowed to insult members, use profanity and now, the most worrisome of all, make terroristic threats against casinos ZQ's already said will be sued into oblivion by ZQ while stating the city itself will regret messing with ZQ?
Inexpicably, Michael Shackleford's reply on occasion has been something to the effect of, Don't do that again but hey, you have the digits, call me if you need to talk, buddy, I'm here for you! That's borderline ridiculous and is not the proper way to address this egregious behavior.
All we need is for ZQ's ongoing rhetoric and obvious anger issues to turn into another shooting in Vegas because someone on this message forum in a position to do so isn't nuking this narcissistic and possibly dangerous forum member instead of suspending for the upteenth time.
Kentra's Korner was finally closed down and that was long overdue (better late than never). And that former member did not post if s/he had an M16, s/he swears on their life s/he would light up every joint in Vegas! (Yes, that is what ZQ disturbingly posted.) Blowing off steam or trolling for attention is one thing; making threats is another.
Don't make the same mistake twice by delaying the inevitable nuke: ZQ should not be allowed to post anymore, period; report all the posts to the proper authorities accordingly; and be done with this nonsense once and for all. A 90 day suspension accomplishes nothing .
That sympathy and attention seeking move will touch on the heart strings of the mods (especially babs), and instead iof getting the immediate nuke every other member would get for those statements .. you get them feeling sorry for you
“Awww ZK, the dealer made three straight 20s, please call me or someone else before doing anything drastic “... is the typical mod response
ZK has said things way more nukeable than Nathan ever did. Nathan’s problem was she never took the “whoa is me” approach , so she was moderated by the letter of the rules
Quote: billryanIs threatening to shot up a casino a ban worthy event. Is it included in the endless list of things one can no longer say, lest some knownothing gets his panties twisted.
Probably only if you know one of the Mods is going to be there.
Quote: billryanIs threatening to shot up a casino a ban worthy event.
It’s the second most serious offense a forum member can commit.
The only thing worse is outing an AP play.
Please... No more complaints about Green Inkers unless you are willing to toil amidst green ink for the same pay that they receive.Quote: FTB: the moderation on this forum is an absolute joke.
>>> by someone who is either mentally disturbed, delusional, or has some other form of mental defect.
They've tolerated fleastiff for years.
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moderators of this forum are neither qualified nor empowered to enforce US or international statute, nor can we diagnose or insist on treatment for any health issues.Quote: billryanIs threatening to shot up a casino a ban worthy event. Is it included in the endless list of things one can no longer say, lest some knownothing gets his panties twisted.
Quote: billryanYes. The problems with this forum obviously are all ZKs fault. Ban him and the world will be set right.
Nobody is saying that.
Quote: OnceDearmoderators of this forum are neither qualified nor empowered to enforce US or international statute, nor can we diagnose or insist on treatment for any health issues.
How much knowledge is necessary to know that terroristic threats on a public venue with an assault weapon, posted on the internet ... should garner worse than a 90 day ban from posting ?
Especially a year and a half after the exact same thing really happened.
How would the mods here feel about the 90 day ban if this kid really carried out what he’s claiming he would do ?
This "Oh, he's just blowing off steam" schtick needs to stop. This isn't one of us having a bad beat one day and saying, "damn casinos robbed me!" Everybody is entitled to those days every once in a while. This has been ZK's personality consistently since he joined the forum years ago. Ban him for life and call the damn police. You can't joke about this stuff anymore.
Quote: OnceDearZk's suspension is for At least days. The conditions required for him ever to get reinstated are not stated. Discussions about ZK off forum are off forum. Private messages are just that. Maybe Wizard might post to this thread or maybe not. He has knowledge that I don't.
Suspension, LOL!
I just read his last post. Anyone who actually has knowledge of his identity who does not report him to the 'authorities' is just plain negligent. There are multiple moderators who I believe know his actual identity. He has made specific violent threats. ALERT THE AUTHORITIES!
Quote: michael99000It’s the second most serious offense a forum member can commit.
The only thing worse is outing an AP play.
bet welching i'd say if we're actually voting for something.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: OnceDearZk's suspension is for At least days. The conditions required for him ever to get reinstated are not stated. Discussions about ZK off forum are off forum. Private messages are just that. Maybe Wizard might post to this thread or maybe not. He has knowledge that I don't.
Suspension, LOL!
I just read his last post. Anyone who actually has knowledge of his identity who does not report him to the 'authorities' is just plain negligent. There are multiple moderators who I believe know his actual identity. He has made specific violent threats. ALERT THE AUTHORITIES!
I thought the same. I have met him but dont know his contact info. I contemplated calling LV FBI over the post. I can not imagine what would happen in the investigation if he actually did something.
There was definitely something different about that last post. He normally writes well and this post was all over the place with weird characters, spelling, and incoherent rambling. He was either messed up or has completely lost it. Doesn't make the threats any less credible, if anything it may make them more so if he has lost it.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: OnceDearZk's suspension is for At least days. The conditions required for him ever to get reinstated are not stated. Discussions about ZK off forum are off forum. Private messages are just that. Maybe Wizard might post to this thread or maybe not. He has knowledge that I don't.
Suspension, LOL!
I just read his last post. Anyone who actually has knowledge of his identity who does not report him to the 'authorities' is just plain negligent. There are multiple moderators who I believe know his actual identity. He has made specific violent threats. ALERT THE AUTHORITIES!
Completely agree.
That post as it’s worded , would 100% be followed up on by the authorities if it was reported.
The owner and moderators on this site are treading dangerous waters by being passive on it. I wonder if it’s ever occurred that a mass shooter told someone his intentions beforehand , and it was shrugged off as just a joke? I’d say yes.
God forbid something happened , I guess the mods would just say “hey we met this guy at the spring fling and he seemed nice. “
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB3kegIoo_8
I'm surprised more people don't kill themselves publicly in Las Vegas. I understand that the local press keeps a lid on things.
A long time ago, I had the misfortune of walking into the Luxor around 4 AM just after someone had taken a dive from the 20th floor or thereabouts and wound up crashing into a restaurant area down below. I always thought those guardrails on the Luxor walkways were too low.
Anyone who has had something unwelcome happen to him has had visions of dark thoughts but most never act on them.
Still, nowadays the proper thing to do is report and let the authorities sort it out, especially because, it sounds like the Admin here knows who this guy is personally.
Quote: MDawgOne of my current hosts was host to the wacko who shot up the Route 91 Harvest music festival. He told me that the guy was dull, kept to himself and didn't ask for anything that was unusual - i.e. gave no signs of what was coming.
Anyone who has had something unwelcome happen to him has had visions of dark thoughts but most never act on them.
Still, nowadays the proper thing to do is report and let the authorities sort it out, especially because, it sounds like the Admin here knows who this guy is personally.
I'd report that host. Last thing anyone needs is a chatty Kathy discussing their business. I'm surprised a host at such a high level discusses any other player with someone, let alone discuss a guy who will cost his employer billions.
No further comment at this time.
Quote: boywonderFor what it is worth, Zenking has commented on his recent post here over at blackjackinfo. Unfortunately, as a member with fewer than 20 posts, I am prohibited to posting a link. Shouldn't be too hard to figure out for anyone interested in reading.
It may not matter good or bad what he says. I think they are in a bind here with the threats, and since it is not the first time...what does a reasonable person do at this point.
Of course, just my opinion. I certainly wouldn't want someone asking me if ignoring everything seemed reasonable at this point and going on as business as usual seemed like the best option.
ZCore13
Quote: MaxPenToo many people seem to be making a mountain out of a mole hill in regards to ZK's ranting.
I respectfully disagree. There is a difference between ranting and venting opposed to threatening. Especially in this day and age where there are many mass shootings
Here in Europe, such rantings fall under the law. Just threatening is already a legal offense, whether you act or not. Humour and second dégrée have disappeared.
https://www.blackjackinfo.com/community/threads/my-wov-rant-thread.56202/#post-500235
Anyone who is concerned, the Wizard and I wanted you to have this additional information. Thank you.
I have known ZenKing for almost 12 years now, we have competed at many esport tournaments in different countries together and we speak almost every day online. I stayed with him in Vegas last summer for almost 2 months. There is literally 0% chance of him ever doing anything to harm another person. All these rants that he likes to post are just that; rants. Its his way to blow off steam.
Do I condone his type of posts? Absolutely not, the guy has a major issue when it comes to losing in anything and this is something that he really needs to work on.
The funny thing is if you was to meet ZenKing in person he is a really nice guy and completely different to the character he portrays online. He basically acts like a keyboard warrior when sitting behind a PC. I can guarantee everyone on this forum who has met ZenKing will agree with this.
Quote: AdamWinsterI think a few people are over reacting regarding ZenKings post. I do understand their point of view however considering they can only judge his character based off forum posts.
I have known ZenKing for almost 12 years now, we have competed at many esport tournaments in different countries together and we speak almost every day online. I stayed with him in Vegas last summer for almost 2 months. There is literally 0% chance of him ever doing anything to harm another person. All these rants that he likes to post are just that; rants. Its his way to blow off steam.
Do I condone his type of posts? Absolutely not, the guy has a major issue when it comes to losing in anything and this is something that he really needs to work on.
The funny thing is if you was to meet ZenKing in person he is a really nice guy and completely different to the character he portrays online. He basically acts like a keyboard warrior when sitting behind a PC. I can guarantee everyone on this forum who has met ZenKing will agree with this.
I've hung out with zenking several times and I agree with the above.
Quote: beachbumbabsWe have a general rule against posting banned members' writings from another forum, but we are making an exception in this case. Thanks for providing a reference to the thread, boywonder.
https://www.blackjackinfo.com/community/threads/my-wov-rant-thread.56202/#post-500235
Anyone who is concerned, the Wizard and I wanted you to have this additional information. Thank you.
That changes absolutely nothing. The fact that any part of your reaction to this has been posting links to b.s. apologies written on other forums is making you look clueless and ignorant. You are trying way to hard to be lenient instead of taking the proper steps necessary in a case like this.
Someone on this board made terroristic threats involving a mass shooting at a public venue.
The fact that he wasn’t immediately nuked here and reported to authorities is a joke. You have personally been coddling this kid since day 1. It’s time to stop reminding him he has friends everytime he breaks rules , and start moderating his nonsense like you would everyone else. Do you let everyone who threatens people on this forum know that they are free to call you for help ? And anyone else who threatened a mass shooting would have been nuked
If something ever were to happen , what would the repercussions be for those who run this board ? They were fully aware of the threat and did nothing
Quote: AdamWinsterI think a few people are over reacting regarding ZenKings post. I do understand their point of view however considering they can only judge his character based off forum posts.
I have known ZenKing for almost 12 years now, we have competed at many esport tournaments in different countries together and we speak almost every day online. I stayed with him in Vegas last summer for almost 2 months. There is literally 0% chance of him ever doing anything to harm another person. All these rants that he likes to post are just that; rants. Its his way to blow off steam.
Do I condone his type of posts? Absolutely not, the guy has a major issue when it comes to losing in anything and this is something that he really needs to work on.
The funny thing is if you was to meet ZenKing in person he is a really nice guy and completely different to the character he portrays online. He basically acts like a keyboard warrior when sitting behind a PC. I can guarantee everyone on this forum who has met ZenKing will agree with this.
Wow. He sent over a friend to defend him. He should just go away. If he's really ok "in real life" then stay there and don't venture here. He is obviously 'not OK' here!
The number of wacko sickos who after their crimes that have a long list of character witnesses is high. "He was so meek!" "We would have trusted him with our daughter,". "No one who knows him could believe he could do such things!"
Hoping all that 'know him' are correct.
He didn't send me over the defend him, I have been a long time lurker on the forum for a while now. I actually tried replying to his original post but my account activation link wasn't working at the time so I was unable to do this.
Not much need to worry, I can assure you people that have met in person/known him for over 12 years can judge his character much better than any of you from reading a few posts on a forum.
Despite that, I also believe the mods have a duty to report the post no matter what the OPs true intents are. There are limits to what people should be able to post, and threatening a community whether in jest or not should never be tolerated and should be met with an immediate and lifetime ban.
We have a number of rules on this forum. Posts of such a heinous quality should be met with protective measures. Mike, you are a Las Vegas resident. How would you feel if he carried through on his threats without you doing anything? What probability would make you feel comfortable with doing nothing? 100 to 1; 10,000 to 1; a million to one?
Report it to the authorities. Let them handle it.
I appreciate the people who ‘know him’ are reassuring that he’s actually harmless. I will retort and say that anyone who hits the post button on the free and clear internet after typing a long message is not harmless. At all.
Quote: RSI've hung out with zenking several times and I agree with the above.
Cool, but who verified you, stranger?
Quote: boymimboSometimes you have to judge a report for what it is. For example anyone who threatens POTUS on social media will get investigated by the Secret Service. Certainly the post that ZK is likely actively being investigated by the FBI. This is not a dark corner of the internet and I am sure the various crawlers have picked up the post and due investigation is taking place.
Despite that, I also believe the mods have a duty to report the post no matter what the OPs true intents are. There are limits to what people should be able to post, and threatening a community whether in jest or not should never be tolerated and should be met with an immediate and lifetime ban.
We have a number of rules on this forum. Posts of such a heinous quality should be met with protective measures. Mike, you are a Las Vegas resident. How would you feel if he carried through on his threats without you doing anything? What probability would make you feel comfortable with doing nothing? 100 to 1; 10,000 to 1; a million to one?
Report it to the authorities. Let them handle it.
I appreciate the people who ‘know him’ are reassuring that he’s actually harmless. I will retort and say that anyone who hits the post button on the free and clear internet after typing a long message is not harmless. At all.
Calm down. You're free to report stuff to the FBI. Do you realize how rediculous that sounds regarding this matter? Plus who knows, the mods could have reported him. Do they need to tell you what they did?
Alert the authorities that you wish to alert.
Quote: billryanI believe the saying goes- If you see something, say something. Not if you see something, call on someone else to say something.
Alert the authorities that you wish to alert.
Almost choked. The universe has aligned and I found common ground with billryan. I may need to reassess my opinion on this matter.😂
Quote: rxwineCool, but who verified you, stranger?
Idk like half the forum?
Even if these alleged threats were somehow real, permanently banning ZK from the forum wouldn’t do anything. “Oh gee, I just got banned from the forum, guess I can’t join the Air Force and drop bombs on the strip now! My plans have been foiled!”
If you or anyone else wants to report ZK, that’s something you can do.
Quote: RS
If you or anyone else wants to report ZK, that’s something you can do.
That’s true.
But the shame here is that those who operate the board where the threat was posted have not notified authorities and let us know they did such. The venues he threatened to shoot up, along with naming the specific weapon he would use , are in a city that is central to this forum , and that we all have family and friends that frequent.
Instead we get some link to a lame explanation on another message board. “Hey everyone , take a look at this if you’re concerned.” LOL
Pathetic.
Quote: michael99000That’s true.
But the shame here is that those who operate the board where the threat was posted have not notified authorities and let us know they did such. The venues he threatened to shoot up, along with naming the specific weapon he would use , are in a city that is central to this forum , and that we all have family and friends that frequent.
Instead we get some link to a lame explanation on another message board. “Hey everyone , take a look at this if you’re concerned.” LOL
Pathetic.
You don't know squat about what we have done or not done, or are doing, in any of this. You have been drawing all kinds of conclusions without knowledge or evidence. That needs to stop right now.
I would have hoped someone who seems to be taking this seriously would have shown even a lick of sense, but no, you just keep blasting away with your uninformed criticism and spooling things up. Stop.
I provided that link as INFORMATION. That's all it was. That's all I said it was. It's verifiably from ZK. Wizard wanted it posted as INFORMATION. So there it is.
If I were half as biased as you claim I am, I would already have suspended you for all the insults directed at me as a Mod and fellow member in several posts just in this thread. Guess what? You're still here.
You want a different set of rules, a different type of moderation, you are free to go start your own forum elsewhere. If you want to be helpful, stop shoving this in everyone's face in a public thread.
If somebody is truly all that concerned, they'll take the little extra effort that it takes and do the research needed to get that information.
Feel free to look like the little boy who cried wolf.
I assume if there is a similar threat on the board, the management would like to be notified without one of us reporting it to the cops first. Is that correct?
Second, if the above is true, I would expect the management to give the proper feedback that they indeed are being responsible in some manner even without the exact details which is fine with me.
I don't want to waste the cops time, but a similar post won't be considered a waste of their time, unless they note that several people knew it was a joke or something.
Quote: AxelWolfIf it makes any diffidence I have chatted with him since the post and he indicated he was just ranting. He basiccly said he was sorry he said all that and was just venting. He understands if Mike has to ban him. I doubt it will affect him much at all. He should probably just get a blog if he wants to publicly rant and not put forum operators and mods in this position.
I'm sure his apologies will go a long way after he goes crazy after a a string of losses sometime and does shoot some place up.
If I knew who he was I report him to police whether or not anyone else was going to. You never know if it gets done or not.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13I'm sure his apologies will go a long way after he goes crazy after a a string of losses sometime and does shoot some place up.
If I knew who he was I report him to police whether or not anyone else was going to. You never know if it gets done or not.
ZCore13
What exactly do you think the police are going to do? Hopefully they put you on the ARDL😀😂🙄
