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MathExtremist
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August 2nd, 2016 at 6:36:14 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Not to mention hacking, which has hit everything from the DNC to Target to how many other places. A personal server is not at all secure from that.

You're holding up examples of hacked organizational servers to demonstrate how much more secure organizational servers are than personal ones. That's rich.

Let me ask you a question -- do you actually believe that Hillary would use an insecure email system going forward?
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August 2nd, 2016 at 6:47:14 PM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

You're holding up examples of hacked organizational servers to demonstrate how much more secure organizational servers are than personal ones. That's rich.

Let me ask you a question -- do you actually believe that Hillary would use an insecure email system going forward?




And I ask you, would Bill shove a Cigar in a woman going forward? Same question, same answer.
We live, we learn. Doesn't excuse the past.
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August 2nd, 2016 at 6:57:06 PM permalink
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Should Trump be impeached if he makes a security error. I'm expecting him to make several when or if he is elected.
Quasimodo? Does that name ring a bell?
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August 2nd, 2016 at 7:48:29 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

And I ask you, would Bill shove a Cigar in a woman going forward? Same question, same answer.
We live, we learn. Doesn't excuse the past.

I'm not trying to excuse the past, I just don't want to live in it. I know she f**ked up by using an insecure server, I'm not trying to suggest she didn't. What I am suggesting is that she won't *keep* doing it. In fact, I believe that there is now so much scrutiny on the matter that she would have no choice but to comply. So I have no worries going forward. As you say, we live, we learn. But that's not good enough for the Hillary-bashers. Why? There have already been several investigations and the Director of the FBI concluded that even though she screwed up, that there was no criminal intent and no reasonable prosecutor would bring charges.

So why is everyone still being unreasonable prosecutors?

We live, we learn, right? Except not all of us. If the anti-Hillary philosophy centers on the thesis that one mistake tarnishes someone forever, then why the shameless double standard when it comes to Trump? Is it because Trump won't acknowledge his mistakes even when a court of law finds him liable? He doesn't learn (or we don't) and he keeps scamming people. He's defrauded thousands of people on dozens of different occasions, all in the name of being good at business. He touts that business acumen as a central plank of his campaign. "I'm good at screwing the little guy, therefore I should be President." Why are all those events, and the larger trend that he not only has defrauded people but will continue to defraud people, simply given a free pass? Live and learn? What are we learning if, knowing Trump runs roughshod over his domain, we expand that domain for him?

Edit: you know, I can answer this a simpler way. Some people are incorrigible. Doesn't matter if you throw them in jail, they'll just keep on as criminals when they get out.

Do you believe Hillary Clinton is incorrigible vis-a-vis her use of insecure email? I don't.
Do you believe Donald Trump is incorrigible vis-a-vis his use of fraud and deception? Absolutely. As Fareed Zakaria said on live TV, his is the behavior of a "bulls**t artist".
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August 2nd, 2016 at 8:04:44 PM permalink
She is incorrigible in her disdain for the welfare of most other people and for the idea that any rules apply to her. This episode will reinforce that, if anything.

I doubt Bernie Madoff would set up the exact same scam if he got out of prison. I still would not invest money with him.
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August 2nd, 2016 at 8:13:34 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

She is incorrigible in her disdain for the welfare of most other people and for the idea that any rules apply to her. This episode will reinforce that, if anything.

You do acknowledge, do you not, that your charge applies to an even greater degree to Donald Trump?
Quote: Judge Curiel, earlier today

The court finds that plaintiff has raised a genuine issue of material fact as to whether defendant knowingly participated in the scheme to defraud.

I don't understand the Hillary-bashers who overlook Trump doing the same things, but more brazenly and without remorse.
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August 2nd, 2016 at 8:25:51 PM permalink
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Trump? Well, either he believes what comes out of his mouth or he doesn't. If he does, he's absolutely a lunatic. If he doesn't, he's the ultimate con man. Does it really matter which is the truth?

No it does not. But let me also say Hillary will not make a good president either, but shes a hell of a politician. I will give her that.
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August 2nd, 2016 at 8:37:06 PM permalink
Probably. Trump is a prick, without a doubt. I strongly disliked him long before he got into politics.

He's also a scumbag. I think the "rules don't apply to me," thing applies well to him.

I suspect the total disregard for human life and welfare might apply to him, but he has yet to prove it. Advocating torture and the assassination of children goes a long way. But that's just talk. He has not yet knowingly started a war on false pretenses, directly killing a million people and throwing a whole region into chaos, just to make money for his friends. HIlldog has, at there's plenty more on her resume.

"As I have written before, Hillary Clinton has a lot to answer for with regard to her record as Secretary of State under the Obama administration, particularly in Haiti and Honduras, two countries that are still reeling from U.S. intervention into their affairs. At the last Democratic debate, Bernie Sanders brought up the epidemic of violence in Honduras that has forced many unaccompanied minors to flee, but stopped short of bringing up Clinton’s role in the 2009 coup in Honduras that removed the democratically elected Manuel Zelaya and helped lead to a new era of repression and lawlessness."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/04/19/hillary-clintons-dodgy-answers-on-honduras-coup/#comments

Powerful Hondurans were repelled by Zelaya’s advocacy of populist reforms like subsidies for small farmers and increased minimum wages. Some in Washington disliked to him because of his ties to President Hugo Chavez of Venezuela, who was then a hot-button bogeyman. On the night of June 28, 2009, after Zelaya proposed a referendum to change the Honduran constitution, soldiers stormed his residence, captured him, and put him on a plane out of the country — in his pajamas.

Republicans in Congress proclaimed the coup a victory for freedom. A handful of them even flew to Honduras to embrace the country’s new leaders. Secretary of State Clinton sided with them. She approved a new election in which the deposed president was not allowed to run. Her goal, as she wrote in her memoir, was to “render the question of Zelaya moot.”

https://www.bostonglobe.com/ideas/2016/03/29/hard-choices-honduras/sLI9xnEw6TWXQgGb9ZVTZO/story.html

Worst case Ontario, he's as bad as she is in that area.
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August 2nd, 2016 at 8:37:15 PM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

She is incorrigible in her disdain for the welfare of most other people and for the idea that any rules apply to her. This episode will reinforce that, if anything.

I doubt Bernie Madoff would set up the exact same scam if he got out of prison. I still would not invest money with him.



How do you equate 6 years working for, and getting, health care coverage for 8 million disabled and special needs kids with disdain for the welfare of other people? That is more people right there than everyone on this forum will help in a lifetime.
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August 2nd, 2016 at 10:09:11 PM permalink
I'll throw in my two cents. FWIW, I am not registered to either party, and have voted both Democrat and Republican in the past, depending on the candidates.

To start off with, I HATE the fact that these are the only two candidates with a legit chance to win. The system sucks, and is rigged so the smaller parties don't get their chance of time in the spotlight. I wish the Libertarian, Green, and Constitution parties automatically got included in the debates, and got equal time in the media. Other countries have multiple parties, and they are generally forced to work out some sort of compromise. Canada, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, and Spain all have 4-5 parties with decent percentages of seats in their governments. Sweden has 8! Maybe if we had more than just two heavyweights fighting it out, the politicians would have to work together more and actually accomplish something.

I'm amazed that Hilary Clinton has what appears to be so much support, especially considering the fiasco at the Democratic Convention, and all of the investigations on the email scandal. She seems to be as Teflon coated as Slick Willy was. Oh, and then there's that Benghazi mess she was involved in. People DIED, and she acted like it was a pain for her to testify about it. Now, I'm not located in New York, so I couldn't tell you a thing she did while being a Senator from there. Maybe there were some positives, I honestly don't know. I can't recall a single positive piece of legislation she pushed or supported. From what I see of her, I've basically got two huge negatives and a whole lot of smoke and haze around her that by all rights should have turned into fire already. I honestly can't figure out how she hasn't been arrested yet for the email thing, when there are precedents on that.

That's not to say that Donald Trump is my clear cut choice. The man has an ego as big as his bank account, and has no filter. Some people say he's failed his companies several times, but at least he's built them back up from that too. The man knows how to make a deal, and I believe we need more of that in Washington, especially after 8 years of Obama refusing to compromise on virtually anything. But I worry that while maybe he could help the economy, he'd be downright awful on foreign policy and social issues. I believe like him that we need to get a firmer grip on our illegal immigration problems, but I also know better than to outright insult certain ethnic groups and to stereotype people, especially on camera. I also worry about his specific plans - I haven't heard any. It's all broad generalizations.

I took an online political quiz, and it showed my best match as Gary Johnson, the Libertarian candidate. He's fiscally conservative and socially liberal. He was Governor of New Mexico for 8 years before becoming term limited. He built his own construction company from a few employees up to one of the largest in the state, with 1,000+ employees. He is a former Republican. Some of his tax reform ideas are pretty extreme - I like the concepts but would need to see the details before agreeing with them. I'm against his stand on legalizing Marijuana, and worry about his plans to cut the military. (I think some reductions would work, but believe he's looking at larger scale cuts than that.)
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