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odiousgambit
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January 26th, 2012 at 1:22:34 PM permalink
Quote: marksolberg

My best advice is this. Don't decide you're never going to gamble again.



This and similar advice has been given in this thread quite a bit. I'm guessing that is *not* the advice you'd be getting in GA. I'm not saying I know one set of advice might be more valid than the other.

If it is true that alcoholics need total abstinence [debated already here], then the question comes up: is gambling different?
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January 26th, 2012 at 1:24:21 PM permalink
" If it is true that alcoholics need total abstinence [debated already here], then the question comes up: is gambling different? "
Is any addiction not an addiction ?
charliepatrick
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January 26th, 2012 at 2:19:07 PM permalink
My suggestion is to see whether you can limit the effect and ensure you stay within tighter boundaries. Firstly set a maximum loss (separate this amount of cash before you walk in e.g. turn the notes upside down) and get out quick if you reach this - secondly keep accurate accounts of every visit including listing the games and the profit/loss. However if you are enjoying playing at a table then sometimes allow yourself a "treat", but don't cheat on this idea.

Then using the accounts, establish whether the cost (in money or time) is acceptable - perhaps whether you feel the "entertainment" is worth the money - and whether there are parts (e.g. fruit machines) that contribute most to the loss. Promise to stop the unacceptable parts and concentrate on enjoying the others. Occasionally, suppose you're on holiday and visiting a new casino, you might want to allow yourself a holiday treat.

If you can't do this, then ultimately ban yourself from the offending establishments and find something else to do.

(Sorry if some of this has already been said, but sadly I've seen a few people have their lives ruined but luckily seen a few manage to get a hold of things.)
buzzpaff
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January 26th, 2012 at 2:22:29 PM permalink
(Sorry if some of this has already been said, but sadly I've seen a few people have their lives ruined but luckily seen a few manage to get a hold of things.)

Same here, sad to say. Not only their lives, but friends, family, spouses , children are all too often collateral damage.
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January 26th, 2012 at 2:35:46 PM permalink
Quote: charliepatrick

If you can't do this, then ultimately ban yourself from the offending establishments and find something else to do.


It might be a bit difficult when you're working as a dealer.

And it beats flipping burgers.
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January 26th, 2012 at 2:38:58 PM permalink
Difficult, but not impossible. The bigger question is why he is compelled to take his poker winnings and piss them all away on other forms of gambling? Why not save those winnings and use them as a stake in tournaments? Might actually have a chance to win life changing money and do something other than deal !
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January 26th, 2012 at 2:55:18 PM permalink
This isn't the best economy to quit a paying skilled job.
On pissing away - well, yes.

I'm somewhat of an addictive personality myself, a thrill-seeker gambler type. As such I'm seriously at risk of a similar situation. What helps me avoid gambling addiction is, as it seems, arrogance. In the good sense, or whatever the good counterpart to the term is.

I think of players who would pull the handle and hope for a golden shower as suckers, with similar thoughts about paying commission on otherwise even table games, paying an ante only to forfeit it half the time, and what have you. Nothing personal - it's not about actual people playing these games, but about a faceless "typical player" image that I associate with the game, and that I would be putting on when playing it. This keeps me from getting sucked in, and if I really want to try them out, I do so online. Or for very low stakes when it has to be live.

So other than poker, I limit my games to blackjack, at which I wong-out heavily (any time the count isn't rising) to keep it right about even. These are games where one can, at least, actively take control. In what I've seen, winning poker players tend to be a similar type, thrill-seekers, but also control freaks. I think all minnesotajoe needs, if what he's telling is right, is to reinforce his control freak side and let it reign over his thrill-seeking behavior. Don't wish for luck - create your own.

Of course, poker is a dangerous game in itself, but it isn't as mindless as others, and you always only have yourself to blame for your losses.
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January 26th, 2012 at 4:09:11 PM permalink
One thing I have trouble with is with my work schedule, finding things to do on my day off are tough. Since I am awake 2pm-6am I find going to the casino is an easy way to get some entertainment. I have seen many coworkers lose too much money gambling and it is interesting as people who work in the business, know the loss is very likely still take the chance. I have tried to find some hobbies to occupy my time, but it is tough. Lately I have been going out for drinks with my coworkers after work and I find I am drinking more often than I would like to. Anyway my advice for the OP is to try talking to someone who is experienced in addiction, not necessarily G.A, could be a therapist. If the OP is in Vegas and ever needs a friend to spend time with there are a bunch of us on the forum who live in LV that he can meet up with just to hang out.
OneAngryDwarf
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January 26th, 2012 at 5:18:27 PM permalink
Glad somebody else brought this topic up, because it’s exactly what I’ve been going through for the last several months. After losing much of the money I received as Christmas presents…and then some…over my last vacation I decided to step back, take a hard look, and realize that I was gambling far above my means, and cool it off for a while. (And, to be totally honest, it’s the main reason why I haven’t been posting here much as of late.) Here’s some things that have helped me:

1. Other people already mentioned hobbies…but may not have mentioned specific ideas for hobbies. Non-gambling card games are always a great option—a good game of hearts, spades or euchre among friends gives me plenty of excitement, even with no money on the line.
2. While staying away from the casinos, re-read the Wizard of Odds site and his analysis of all the games. Apply some logical, clinical reasoning—yes, the house edges on blackjack and craps are low, but you still LOSE playing them. Playing the Pass Line ultimately nets the same result as the guy who makes nothing but prop bets every roll…it just takes a little longer. And it shouldn’t matter how much one bets…a $5 bettor still gets the same game as a $500 bettor.
3. Read/watch some materials about gamblers and addiction to gain some perspective. It’s fun, entertaining, and will take up some more time that would otherwise be spent in a casino. “The Gambler” by Dostoyevsky is always a classic choice. Also, check out the 2003 movie “Owning Mahowny” with Philip Seymour Hoffman. It’s available online—not linking to it because of legal issues, but it’s easy enough to find. Excellent dramatic portrayal of a man caught up in addiction—and frequently uncomfortable in its similarities to how I felt when I gambled.

It’s been nearly one month since I’ve done any gambling…not much to brag about, I know, but just wanted to encourage you and tell you that it is possible to take a breather and break the cycle. Good luck!
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January 27th, 2012 at 12:17:41 AM permalink
Quote: marksolberg

Minnesota Joe,
While you might seriously consider whether you want to plunk down $100 in a store to buy something you want, you won't think twice about losing that in a casino in a matter of minutes.
Mark



So true!!! I totally relate to this.

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