Casino Markers in Bahamas

As a US citizen, what happens if I don’t pay casino markers in the Bahamas that are given to me? It says the laws of NJ apply to markers they give you. But as someone with a legal background, it seems very odd to me. I’m not sure that it’s legal or that they could actually do that when it’s in another country.

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As a US citizen, what happens if I don’t pay casino markers in the Bahamas that are given to me? It says the laws of NJ apply to markers they give you. But as someone with a legal background, it seems very odd to me. I’m not sure that it’s legal or that they could actually do that when it’s in another country.
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I will add to your question, what happens when its an Indian casino? I hear nothing happens.

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As a US citizen, what happens if I don’t pay casino markers in the Bahamas that are given to me? It says the laws of NJ apply to markers they give you. But as someone with a legal background, it seems very odd to me. I’m not sure that it’s legal or that they could actually do that when it’s in another country.
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I will add to your question, what happens when its an Indian casino? I hear nothing happens.
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But you might get a visit from Robert Running Bear. I would advice you pay him if you don't want to be scalped. And I am not talking about tickets.

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As a US citizen, what happens if I don’t pay casino markers in the Bahamas that are given to me? It says the laws of NJ apply to markers they give you. But as someone with a legal background, it seems very odd to me. I’m not sure that it’s legal or that they could actually do that when it’s in another country.
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I will add to your question, what happens when its an Indian casino? I hear nothing happens.
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I can actually speak to the Indian Casino one. They will ruin your Everi/Central Casino Credit reputation. However I was still able to get lines in Vegas. Las Vegas seems to be the most liberal giving out lines because they know the DA will criminally go after you. Indians may try to come after you civilly.

I had an issue where Viejas accidentally credited 10k to my account on accident, and couldn’t deposit an unsigned check into my account so they we’re out 10k by no fault of my own. Nothing ended up happening to my credit report though and they just dropped it.

A friend of mine was a casino manager at Chumash. They over extended a guy 300k who lost his entire line and told them he couldn’t pay. They continued to let him play cash because he kept losing. When I asked my friend why they didn’t do anything, he said what could we do? Do Indians really can’t do much and sometimes it’ll be more trouble than it’s worth. I think the morale of the story is if you’re gonna burn a tribal casino marker, do it for a large amount. Also after two years any negative remarks on your Everi report fall off.

Nobody has experience with Bahamas? Is there any other part of the forum this could be posted? I know I’m being given lines there because of my stellar record of payment in Las Vegas.

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Nobody has experience with Bahamas? Is there any other part of the forum this could be posted? I know I’m being given lines there because of my stellar record of payment in Las Vegas.
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No need for cross posting on this forum.
The thread is on the "front page", above the fold.

Someone with the knowledge you seek may simply be busy doing other things, and has yet to respond.

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Nobody has experience with Bahamas? Is there any other part of the forum this could be posted? I know I’m being given lines there because of my stellar record of payment in Las Vegas.
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No need for cross posting on this forum.
The thread is on the "front page", above the fold.

Someone with the knowledge you seek may simply be busy doing other things, and has yet to respond.
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Thanks unsure not use to these forums.

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As a US citizen, what happens if I don’t pay casino markers in the Bahamas that are given to me? It says the laws of NJ apply to markers they give you. But as someone with a legal background, it seems very odd to me. I’m not sure that it’s legal or that they could actually do that when it’s in another country.
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I will add to your question, what happens when its an Indian casino? I hear nothing happens.
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But you might get a visit from Robert Running Bear. I would advice you pay him if you don't want to be scalped. And I am not talking about tickets.
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I know there's some serious money to be made under the right circumstances, but
It's not an issue for me since I never intend to work that angle.

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As a US citizen, what happens if I don’t pay casino markers in the Bahamas that are given to me? It says the laws of NJ apply to markers they give you...
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Why NJ?

Is that where you live?
Or maybe they have some type of arrangement with an AC casino - although I’d be curious what that would be regarding markers.

No, it’s a good question. No idea why they chose that jurisdiction. I don’t live in NJ. In addition why didn’t they choose NV? They cannot retroactively choose their jurisdiction. There’s already been case law that’s ruled against them on this.

It would be the same as me saying “all losing bets in Tony’s basement tonight full under NV law.” The markers were taken in the Bahamas. The game is taking place in the Bahamas. The jurisdiction and where they can collect is the Bahamas. A lot of people probably get scared and just pay up, but they have no standing to use another state’s statute.

1) Take a $100k marker.

2) Don’t pay it back and have nothing in the bank account it’s drawn on

3) See what happens!

The hanks for the advice. What should I play it on?

Put it all on Big Red

Max bet is 3k. Then what

Keep betting 3k every roll. Most likely, you’ll be down 100k within a couple hours

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Keep betting 3k every roll. Most likely, you’ll be down 100k within a couple hours
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But I want to win.

I wouldn’t want to be a party to cheating anyone out of money. Yeah I know, casinos deserve it in a way, but I don’t think it’s the kind of thing you want in your life, as part of who you are.

Having said that, I’ve become convinced that though unpaid markers wind up on the house’s balance sheet, it’s a totally different matter than with a normal business. With the latter, unpaid receivables represent needed income to continue the business, and not collecting that means the business could go under. With a casino, uncollected markers are a residual condition of a special operation to make profit. That they then can represent this to the public as ‘here we are, the victim’ is a hoot. I suppose there are exceptions.

The special operation is to remove the assets of A, the player, into the possession of B, the house. In the best case scenario, not only will B get all the initial assets of A, but also the future income of A until who knows when. Additionally, A will, best case, borrow money that B will get as well… indeed B may get the proceeds of all the lying, cheating, and stealing, perhaps into the millions, that A can muster. It is not a mistake for B to have allowed A to take out markers and get deep into debt if things go this well, it is instead a necessary part of the operation. Didn’t B incur some expenses? Of course! In this best case scenario, this is well managed, and to view the residual “debt” that possibly has to be written off as representing the same kind of uncollected receivables that a normal business incurs is laughable and ignorant.

I’m glad to see the OP is asking how he goes about this and wins money. It’s a good question. If he just loses and owes money that he finds can’t be collected, what has he gained except a dark mark on his soul?

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I’m glad to see the OP is asking how he goes about this and wins money. It’s a good question. If he just loses and owes money that he finds can’t be collected, what has he gained except a dark mark on his soul?
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Lol that’s dark… I’ve gained hurting an industry that hurts millions every year. Including breaking up families, making people go broke, taking advantage of problem gamblers, and adding nothing to society except profits for themselves.

My soul will be just fine hurting a casino. I guess APs who take money from poor old casino coffers also have dark mark on their souls?