holecards up ultimate TX holdem

i am typically a blackjack player. lately i've been playing ultimate TX holdem. during the pandemic one of the local Indian casinos started dealing ALL cards up to minimize handling/contamination of the cards by the players. that's right, the "hole cards" aren't really "hole cards" anymore. SO... is there an already developed basic strategy to reflect changes in the game to improve the players expected return on played hands. ie... a "pocket pair" is much more valuable if there are no other cards of the same denomination on the table as some one else's hole card.

how does strategy change ? certainly the added knowledge of the additional "hole cards" would improve the players' chances but what would the rules be to best take advantage? it would seem a player could actually put the odds slightly in their favor by minimizing the losses by checking on a hand that, under normal circumstances of hole cards down, would call for a bet pre-flop or even post flop. ie... would a pocket pair of 3s still call for a bet if the other 2 3s were also on the table?

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i am typically a blackjack player. lately i've been playing ultimate TX holdem. during the pandemic one of the local Indian casinos started dealing ALL cards up to minimize handling/contamination of the cards by the players. that's right, the "hole cards" aren't really "hole cards" anymore. SO... is there an already developed basic strategy to reflect changes in the game to improve the players expected return on played hands. ie... a "pocket pair" is much more valuable if there are no other cards of the same denomination on the table as some one else's hole card.

how does strategy change ? certainly the added knowledge of the additional "hole cards" would improve the players' chances but what would the rules be to best take advantage? it would seem a player could actually put the odds slightly in their favor by minimizing the losses by checking on a hand that, under normal circumstances of hole cards down, would call for a bet pre-flop or even post flop. ie... would a pocket pair of 3s still call for a bet if the other 2 3s were also on the table?
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Welcome to the forum. Great first post. Others here will go into more detail, but your intuition about the 3’s is spot on. You may have some new friends here at WoV joining you at the table!

Basic strategy says to raise 4x on a pocket 33s, but collusion strategy says to check 4x if any other player holds anther 3.

i'm not just talking about 3s. that was simply an example. what about 8s? or 10s or...? what about after the flop with 4 to a flush and 3 other suited cards on the table? or 6? or 7? etc

surely the strategy becomes MUCH more complicated but certainly there is an optimum strategy (or a simplified strategy)for the added knowledge that would help the player

thank you by the way.... i didnt know of the "collusion" strategy info. after looking it up... that certainly helps.

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i'm not just talking about 3s. that was simply an example. what about 8s? or 10s or...? what about after the flop with 4 to a flush and 3 other suited cards on the table? or 6? or 7? etc

surely the strategy becomes MUCH more complicated but certainly there is an optimum strategy (or a simplified strategy)for the added knowledge that would help the player
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The thing is even Wizards probably does not know this.

horror of all horrors.... i may have to figure it out. certainly have the capability but it would be SO MUCH nicer if someone else had it done already. the collusion strategy is a big stepping stone. i dont think the casinos would really care about the collusion strategy bc so many are so poor at the game (and don't even use basic strategy) that they will still make oodles of money

I am interested in knowing this too.

I have been studying the chart here https://wizardofodds.com/games/ultimate-texas-hold-em/ for quite a while and am curious what changes face up UTH brings to the strategy. A full table certainly makes calculating outs for the dealer after the River easier.

somebody previously responded and referred to a "collusion strategy". . I did a search for "collusion strategy ultimate texas hold 'em" and sure enough... there is one for just that to take into account the ability of seeing your neighbor's hole cards . i glanced at it briefly but not enough to absorb much useful information BUT there is certainly useful information that will increase one's expected return