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August 8th, 2021 at 4:31:31 PM permalink
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From my experience, FP is a "bet it once" proposition...on any machine or table game.

As Dieter explains, once wagered the machine captures the FP, and returns cashable credits after the hand is resolved.



In my experience on table games it isnít quite bet it once. If you push a BJ hand at a table, you are left with the FP still and need to bet it again.
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August 8th, 2021 at 5:32:22 PM permalink
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In my experience on table games it isnít quite bet it once. If you push a BJ hand at a table, you are left with the FP still and need to bet it again.



On video blackjack, the credit meter is decremented at the beginning of each game. Wins, pushes, and surrenders (if offered) increment the credit meter with cashable credits at the resolution of the game.

I have only encountered a few ETG / Virtual blackjack machines that take freeplay (casinos are fussy around here). They also decrement the credit meter at the beginning of a hand, and increment the credit meter on wins, pushes, and surrenders.

This is different than leaving the freeplay chip in the circle on a push.

I know this is awkward language. It is specific to the freeplay conversion goal - decrementing the freeplay funded credit meter, and incrementing the cashable credit meter. In the case of credit meter rebate freeplay (seed money required, wager refunded at conclusion of game), the functional goal is the same - decrement the credit meter, then the game increments the credit meter with cashable credit, and the freeplay award system also increments the cashable credit meter.
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August 8th, 2021 at 5:37:15 PM permalink
Well, at least we all agree slots are not the best way to turn around Freeplay.

Although I can actually think of a few situations that's not the case
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August 8th, 2021 at 6:03:46 PM permalink
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You will know EXACTLY how much of the free play will become cash. There is zero variance.

Just not all casinos have this and some that do wonít take FP on it.



Recommending cancellation wagering is a sure way to get an argument started.
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August 8th, 2021 at 6:09:14 PM permalink
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Recommending cancellation wagering is a sure way to get an argument started.



As always, I didnít really want to spell it out, but it seemed like folks werenít picking up what I was putting down.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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August 8th, 2021 at 6:17:38 PM permalink
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Recommending cancellation wagering is a sure way to get an argument started.



Because it's not gambling?

I'm about making money. Not guessing if I will.
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August 8th, 2021 at 7:19:05 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Because it's not gambling?

I'm about making money. Not guessing if I will.



Made that point better than I could have.


Back on video blackjack:
Some freeplay systems have problems handling the subsequent split and double down bets. I usually see this on the seed/rebate type. The initial bet gets the freeplay credit, additional bets for splits and doubles do not. If that's an issue for you, be prepared for the possibility.
Some video blackjack also disables the bill/ticket validator during a hand.
If these things will offend your delicate sensibilities, run it through video poker or Willy Wonka.
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August 9th, 2021 at 12:42:09 AM permalink
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Turning Freeplay into cash is a goal designed for minimum variance

Gambling your Freeplay to maximize your return is something different.

Unless I am misinterpreting the OP, he wants to know the best way to guarantee he will be able to turn freeplay into cash on his next visit.

The best way to do that is minimal variance.



I agree with this. This is the question I asked. Thus is my goal.

Today I have $35 of free play at one casino. I want to run it thru one time on some machine and maximize my chance of getting $35 out of it. If i get more, then great.

To summarize. For weeks i had been playing 100 line VP but with reduced payables such as 6/5 Bonus and 8/5 TDB and betting $1 per play my typical return was about $20.

Then I tried 25-cent single line 8/5 Bonus. My return has ranged from $20 to ONE TIME getting $81.25 because I hit a SF for 250 coins.

These are my recent results.

Pre Covid when I got a lot more free play I bet differently.

But now I'm getting $45 and $35 and $40 free play sessions at various casinos several times each week.
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August 9th, 2021 at 4:58:38 AM permalink
Does it have any of the goofy Roulette machines? You won't get $35 out of the free play, but you'll know exactly how much you will get.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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August 23rd, 2021 at 10:36:33 AM permalink
My free play offers for August are almost over and I think I did okay running them thru once on one line 8/5 Bonus Poker.

Last night's run through was a little better than average. I had $35 and I cashed out $42.50

At another casino on Friday I had $40 but cashed out only $20

This morning my free play offers for September appeared on my players club online accounts:

Casino A which gave me $40 twice a week increased me to $45 twice a week. I also play craps here.

Casino B which gave me $35 twice a week reduced me to $25 a week. I rarely play craps here.

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