3 CARD RUMMY TIE BET
June 26th, 2016 at 10:13:00 PM
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Hi,
I am a casino manager and I should say thank you for providing such valuable site which is a great reference source to me and I believe to many others in business.
I am thinking to start 3 CARD RUMMY as an promotional alternative to 3 CARD POKER.
One thing in my mind is adding TIE BET to the pay table.
What is your advice for min-max of a TIE BET and it's payment?
Should I allow punters to bet on TIE freely between the table MIN-MAX? Make it equal to ANTE or BONUS or set a fixed amount for it?
Thanks in advance,
Murat Erguden
I am a casino manager and I should say thank you for providing such valuable site which is a great reference source to me and I believe to many others in business.
I am thinking to start 3 CARD RUMMY as an promotional alternative to 3 CARD POKER.
One thing in my mind is adding TIE BET to the pay table.
What is your advice for min-max of a TIE BET and it's payment?
Should I allow punters to bet on TIE freely between the table MIN-MAX? Make it equal to ANTE or BONUS or set a fixed amount for it?
Thanks in advance,
Murat Erguden
Last edited by: MuratErguden on Jun 26, 2016
June 26th, 2016 at 10:46:43 PM
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The game Three Card Rummy is a fun game, with accurate math. If it is the game from Bally’s, I reviewed it for a company that I worked for several years ago, prior to Bally's/Scientific Games picking it up. There was no tie bet as an option.
One of the temptations of a casino manager is to play “game inventor and mathematician” by himself, I have to be frank.
Games that go onto a casino floor in the U.S. and are backed by a distributor have to be verified by provable gaming mathematics, and examined for game protection issues, and have to be finely tuned to the utmost degree, in order to produce a product that “looks so easy AND reliably makes money” for the casino in the end. They also have to be proven to work and be popular with casino players, with the players’ and casinos’ money on the line and in action. You cannot modify a game you lease or had gotten from a distributor or manufacturer, because if you botch it and damage the game's reputation, the distributor may have an important issue with that.
Quite often one may think it is easy to fix or rig up some game – just slap something you think is a good idea onto it by yourself, (and it may be a good idea), with no need for advice from the distributor, or the original game inventor, or mathematicians. Bouncing it by an Internet forum is risky: you may get poor advice, or you may get advice to check with the manufacturer, because this isn't like adding rims to your car's wheels. Casino money (and all that entails) is on the line here.
For this game idea, have you asked players what they want to see on the game? What did they say?
Have you asked the game’s distributor, or the original game designer how well any change might fit in, or if there would be any potential problems with math or game protection (such as card counting, collusion plays, etc.)? Did you get math of how the feature would affects the game's income, and if it would introduce any game protection issues? did you get an okay from the distributor or inventor by working with them? The concern here is that if this work were done by a mathematician, the MIN-MAX parameters would be already known and answered as a part of this work.
If you had selected the game, then the game as it is must be worthy to play as it stands, as you choose it as is. Any problems with performance that would need new features or fixes will reveal itself from a good sample of many months of real-world casino play.
My advice is to contact the game distributor at that point, tell them your idea, and ask them what they think and what it would take to get the new feature properly added to the game, if it is needed.
Best of luck.
One of the temptations of a casino manager is to play “game inventor and mathematician” by himself, I have to be frank.
Games that go onto a casino floor in the U.S. and are backed by a distributor have to be verified by provable gaming mathematics, and examined for game protection issues, and have to be finely tuned to the utmost degree, in order to produce a product that “looks so easy AND reliably makes money” for the casino in the end. They also have to be proven to work and be popular with casino players, with the players’ and casinos’ money on the line and in action. You cannot modify a game you lease or had gotten from a distributor or manufacturer, because if you botch it and damage the game's reputation, the distributor may have an important issue with that.
Quite often one may think it is easy to fix or rig up some game – just slap something you think is a good idea onto it by yourself, (and it may be a good idea), with no need for advice from the distributor, or the original game inventor, or mathematicians. Bouncing it by an Internet forum is risky: you may get poor advice, or you may get advice to check with the manufacturer, because this isn't like adding rims to your car's wheels. Casino money (and all that entails) is on the line here.
For this game idea, have you asked players what they want to see on the game? What did they say?
Have you asked the game’s distributor, or the original game designer how well any change might fit in, or if there would be any potential problems with math or game protection (such as card counting, collusion plays, etc.)? Did you get math of how the feature would affects the game's income, and if it would introduce any game protection issues? did you get an okay from the distributor or inventor by working with them? The concern here is that if this work were done by a mathematician, the MIN-MAX parameters would be already known and answered as a part of this work.
If you had selected the game, then the game as it is must be worthy to play as it stands, as you choose it as is. Any problems with performance that would need new features or fixes will reveal itself from a good sample of many months of real-world casino play.
My advice is to contact the game distributor at that point, tell them your idea, and ask them what they think and what it would take to get the new feature properly added to the game, if it is needed.
Best of luck.
Last edited by: Paigowdan on Jun 26, 2016
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June 27th, 2016 at 1:45:08 PM
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(i) If it is the game as described above then I guess, like 3CP, it needs some bonus system paying better than Evens to bring the House Edge down (I think I did see the game once but forget whether it offered a bonus for having zero or a low score). Adding another bonus for tying would harm the house edge (for 3CP it doesn't affect things much as the chances of a tied hand are much lower.)
(ii) If you wanted to offer a side-bet for getting a tie (I don't know the odds although could work it out) then you might have to ask permission to use their concept for hand scoring, i.e. when certain combination of cards add up to 0).
(iii) Even though you're playing from one deck - where counting isn't an issue - there is the issue of sharing information.
One way round the problem is if you were holding a promotion whereby people who tied (either any ties or today's lucky number) receive a draw ticket - I know one casino that did this for player Blackjacks. That way you know your costs is essentially the prize.
(ii) If you wanted to offer a side-bet for getting a tie (I don't know the odds although could work it out) then you might have to ask permission to use their concept for hand scoring, i.e. when certain combination of cards add up to 0).
(iii) Even though you're playing from one deck - where counting isn't an issue - there is the issue of sharing information.
One way round the problem is if you were holding a promotion whereby people who tied (either any ties or today's lucky number) receive a draw ticket - I know one casino that did this for player Blackjacks. That way you know your costs is essentially the prize.
