MidwestAP
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November 16th, 2015 at 8:47:44 PM permalink
This whole thing seems weird to me.

I seldom remember my friends address unless I go to my phone, and you wouldn't do that to answer a question about "my" address.

But, ok, let's presume he knew it. How many people have their friends ssn's memorized?!?
AxelWolf
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November 17th, 2015 at 2:42:21 AM permalink
Quote: MathExtremist

So are tax fraud and identity theft. Nice friend he has there.

OP should consult an attorney to find out how not to get in trouble for what the friend did with his social security number.

I don't really know the exact law, it was a knee jerk reaction from some of the possible bad advice. legally speaking it may come down to intent and the circumstances .

I do know most casinos do not allow this . A 5754 can be used to TRANSFER some or all of the JP after or during the payment(not switch), but that's obviously not what he/we were talking about. I'm not judging or saying anything derogatory about or to the OP, but I think he needs to not take the advice from here as fact, especially advice saying its ok.

It might not be an issue to pick it up after transferring the liability. I'm fairly certain what he did at the time wasn't legal.
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November 17th, 2015 at 2:21:07 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

I don't really know the exact law, it was a knee jerk reaction from some of the possible bad advice. legally speaking it may come down to intent and the circumstances .

I do know most casinos do not allow this . A 5754 can be used to TRANSFER some or all of the JP after or during the payment(not switch), but that's obviously not what he/we were talking about. I'm not judging or saying anything derogatory about or to the OP, but I think he needs to not take the advice from here as fact, especially advice saying its ok.

It might not be an issue to pick it up after transferring the liability. I'm fairly certain what he did at the time wasn't legal.



I would agree. What the first guy did was completely illegal. But what the OP wants to do is probably illegal in a minor way (IMO: IANAL, as you know). But like somebody said, what is the casino going to do other than ban him if they have a problem with it? If I'm him, I go in as Mr. Innocent Team Member, pooling my BR with the clown, and had no idea I couldn't pick up the money, since it was partially mine. What, he's banned from playing here? I didn't know that!

Yeah, it's a little strange he knew the OP's SSN. But maybe they've had to do joint jackpot splits before and are playing as a team. You have to file the sharing paperwork right then if you want to take care of it most easily; in my (limited) experience, it was a nuisance to straighten it out after my friend had signed for the entire amount.
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November 17th, 2015 at 3:20:51 PM permalink
I have had similar situations before and never had a problem having someone else cash out my jackpots. In fact, in NYS it's quite common, there are people who make a hustling living at it.

That's because the jackpot amount in NYS is $600 and if you have a win over that NYS will check to see if you owe NYS any money (child support, back taxes, parking tickets, welfare arrears, etc.) I've seen people scream several times when they went up with a thousand dollar win and were told every penny was forfeit due to a NYS claim (and told they have to check with NYS what it was even for as the casino isn't given that info.)

There are hustlers here who are trusted by those in the know to cash out vouchers, free and clear and will hand over the money (they are generally trustworthy as its their livelihood and their trust is imperative if they want to keep doing it.) They charge 10%. The casino frowns on it but in the few instances I have heard of it being challenged, the casino simply refused payment until the real winner claimed it. No police or law enforcement were ever called.

Also had a situation in AC where my partner went to cash out a large jackpot and we were using my players card. They simply informed him I needed to be the one to do it. They didn't call the cops there either. Since your friend gave your info, I doubt they will check the vids. They only do that when something looks suspicious. Claiming jackpots is not inherently suspicious.

I also find casinos are real lazy when it comes to accessing old vids.

Hope that was helpful.
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November 17th, 2015 at 3:32:35 PM permalink
To avoid video can't you just wait X amount of time to claim it. I am guessing you have 90 days to claim it. How long are videos kept, 20 days? Unless they archive it.
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November 17th, 2015 at 3:48:39 PM permalink
Quote: GWAE

To avoid video can't you just wait X amount of time to claim it. I am guessing you have 90 days to claim it. How long are videos kept, 20 days? Unless they archive it.



For native owned casinos the video must be retained for a minimum of 7 days. Most places I talk too do keep it longer. I doubt any lengthy video was retained, but a snap shot of the banned individual was retained if the store has good controls in place.
MathExtremist
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November 19th, 2015 at 11:31:29 AM permalink
Here's what happened recently with a jackpot won by an excluded player:

http://www.poconorecord.com/article/20151118/NEWS/151119508
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MeganMunoz
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November 8th, 2016 at 5:12:06 AM permalink
Consult a civil attorney in these matters as they can also suggest you many other alternatives as well as prevent you from making any fraud. Recently my friend faced a similar situation, so she consulted a renowned lawyer (one Mr. Bechara Tarabay,,) and he guided her perfectly.
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November 8th, 2016 at 5:58:59 AM permalink
It'd be illegal to intentionally claim someone else's winnings.

Let's say, theoretically, you didn't go with the intent to claim your winnings.....you just went with the intent to gamble and they reminded you of somehow you stumbled into the situation. Perhaps it was you who hit the jackpot and didn't have ID, and you just forgot mis-remembered what happened. Perhaps you go to players club area and get a reprint of your card where they inform you you have a JP to claim?

But if it really wasn't you, I wouldn't claim the JP. I'm just saying it's possible you forgot.
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November 8th, 2016 at 7:10:23 AM permalink
The two times I hit for slots that required a handpay and didn't have my id, they had me sign the ticket. When I returned with I'd, they had me sign two sheets of paper and spent several minutes comparing the signatures.

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