Bathroom etiquette poll
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December 3rd, 2012 at 11:48:35 AM
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In my latest blog entry I told of a long line of women needing to use the bathroom. Since no men appeared to have to go, they were also using the men's room. As either one became available, the next woman in line would take it.
Since this forum is almost entirely all men, I think we all have encountered similar situations. Assume it isn't urgent, and you are in no rush. Do you invoke your right to go direcctly to the men's room, because it isn't your fault women take so long? Or do you stand in line with all the ladies, because you feel just having a ding-dong doesn't give you the right to cut the line?
Since this forum is almost entirely all men, I think we all have encountered similar situations. Assume it isn't urgent, and you are in no rush. Do you invoke your right to go direcctly to the men's room, because it isn't your fault women take so long? Or do you stand in line with all the ladies, because you feel just having a ding-dong doesn't give you the right to cut the line?
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December 3rd, 2012 at 11:57:54 AM
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I don't think I would wander into that ethical quagmire. If it wasn't urgent and I wasn't in a rush, I'd probably just hold it until I found another bathroom...
I see this as a tragedy of the commons situation. You have an obvious personal incentive to jump the line, and certainly have a legal right to do so. Socially, it's a bit of a gray area, somewhere between the right to use the men's room (some women's lines stare longingly at a single-use empty men's room but won't use it), and the social expectation not to jump queues. Some women will see it as your right to use your washroom, others will see it as you being essentially a VIP that is getting special treatment.
In the end, I wouldn't stand in line with the ladies, that would just look weird. So, I'd go somewhere else, or jump.
I see this as a tragedy of the commons situation. You have an obvious personal incentive to jump the line, and certainly have a legal right to do so. Socially, it's a bit of a gray area, somewhere between the right to use the men's room (some women's lines stare longingly at a single-use empty men's room but won't use it), and the social expectation not to jump queues. Some women will see it as your right to use your washroom, others will see it as you being essentially a VIP that is getting special treatment.
In the end, I wouldn't stand in line with the ladies, that would just look weird. So, I'd go somewhere else, or jump.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 12:02:27 PM
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I voted 'cut the line', but I don't really feel that's what you are doing. THEY are cutting in line! As a man, I am willing to stand behind men using the men's room, but I should be ahead of women. By the same token, as a higher tier play I am willing to stand behind the other higher tier players in the restaurant line, but I am not willing to stand behind the low tier players just because they were there first. So, I guess I equate having a 'ding-dong' (isn't that a hostess cake?) to being in the higher class. lol
BTW, they better not complain about pee on the seat.
BTW, they better not complain about pee on the seat.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:19:06 PM
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If you reverse the scenario - that is, if it was all men using both bathrooms and a woman needed to go - would there even be a question or a poll?
Such situations happen in military (and likely/certainly other uniformed service) settings where for regulatory/equality/etc reasons segregated facilities are provided, but the de-facto gender ratio is like 100:1.
Such situations happen in military (and likely/certainly other uniformed service) settings where for regulatory/equality/etc reasons segregated facilities are provided, but the de-facto gender ratio is like 100:1.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 12:35:13 PM
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The Men's Room is reserved for men. It's no different than a reserved table at a banquet or restaurant. I don't care who uses it when I'm not there, but once I am, it's mine.
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If it's just a maintenance release, I may be chivalrous and wait. If my back teeth are floating, sorry.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 12:37:19 PM
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Usually there is some self-appointed female "traffic director" in such a situation since the women want to be assured of a guard being outside if they are in the men's room. This makes it even worse for a man to try to jump the queue even if his needs are urgent.Quote: WizardIn my latest blog entry I told of a long line of women needing to use the bathroom. Since no men appeared to have to go, they were also using the men's room. As either one became available, the next woman in line would take it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:45:46 PM
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I voted "Cut in line" although I would like to find alternate terminology.
I view it as the way the general / VIP lines work at the casino check in or restaurant. If there is nobody on the VIP line, when a VIP clerk becomes available, the next in the general line is serviced. Then if a VIP shows up, they are next in line for the next VIP clerk.
Ditto for the restrooms. If nobody is in there, the ladies should feel free to use the mens room if they so desire. But a line for the ladies room should not cause the next man to show up to feel like they are cutting the line.
Hell, there are women who wouldn't use the mens room even if they were starting to dribble. Is it now the man's responsibility to poll each lady to see if they would take the mens room when it's availble before, ahem, cutting in line?
Quite frankly, I've seen cases in nightclubs where women use the mens room when there is a line for the womens room, even while there were men in there. To a certian extent, there is "nobody cares" attitude to such an occurance. (Of course, sometimes the women are there for other reasons...)
I view it as the way the general / VIP lines work at the casino check in or restaurant. If there is nobody on the VIP line, when a VIP clerk becomes available, the next in the general line is serviced. Then if a VIP shows up, they are next in line for the next VIP clerk.
Ditto for the restrooms. If nobody is in there, the ladies should feel free to use the mens room if they so desire. But a line for the ladies room should not cause the next man to show up to feel like they are cutting the line.
Hell, there are women who wouldn't use the mens room even if they were starting to dribble. Is it now the man's responsibility to poll each lady to see if they would take the mens room when it's availble before, ahem, cutting in line?
Quite frankly, I've seen cases in nightclubs where women use the mens room when there is a line for the womens room, even while there were men in there. To a certian extent, there is "nobody cares" attitude to such an occurance. (Of course, sometimes the women are there for other reasons...)
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December 3rd, 2012 at 12:50:53 PM
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I've used the men's room many times, not only when there was a long line for the ladies room but on the occasion that the ladies room is closed for cleaning or marked with an "out of order" sign. A toilet is a toilet and when you need one any one will do.
I of course first make sure that there are no men in the room at the time, either by asking the last man I saw walking out or by poking my head inside the door and saying "Hello?" Not that it would bother me, but it would probably get the men all flustered.
I of course first make sure that there are no men in the room at the time, either by asking the last man I saw walking out or by poking my head inside the door and saying "Hello?" Not that it would bother me, but it would probably get the men all flustered.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:12:02 PM
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With my prostate? I'm cutting and if someone's in there too bad!
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December 3rd, 2012 at 1:15:57 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearI view it as the way the general / VIP lines work at the casino check in or restaurant. If there is nobody on the VIP line, when a VIP clerk becomes available, the next in the general line is serviced. Then if a VIP shows up, they are next in line for the next VIP clerk.
Consider this situation, then, which did actually happen:
At Bank S there are only two tellers open. One is the Prefered Customer teller. He will take all comers, but give preference to those in the prefered customer line. Now, that line is empty most of the time, but it's likely a prefered customer will arrive before the prefered customer being served finishes a transaction.
Now, the other teller only takes regular customers in this situtation. But this time he was either doing something complicated and time consuming, or was handling a bunch of transactions from the same customer. There were 20+ poeple in line, including me. Seriously, every time I thought the line would move, someone wwnt into the prefered customer line.
Whatever that customer was doing with the regular teller, it was something legitimate and certainly a service offered by the bank (he took upwards of 40 minutes; I think he was trying to get a loan to buy the bank...). But the thing is the line hardly moved for much of that time. About 30 minutes in, the manager closed the prefered customer line and had evryone stand in the same line. Of course, they coulda have more than two tellers open.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 1:56:29 PM
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Nareed -
That's more of a customer service problem.
The bank could have closed the preferred line sooner, or the teller alerting the manager to the complicated transaction sooner, but other than that, I think the right thing was being done.
That's more of a customer service problem.
The bank could have closed the preferred line sooner, or the teller alerting the manager to the complicated transaction sooner, but other than that, I think the right thing was being done.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 2:00:40 PM
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Just like the handicapped get preference for the handicapped stall, a man should get preference for the men's room. (And real Subway customers should have gotten preference over the runners just there for the bathroom, but that's harder to determine, obviously...)
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December 3rd, 2012 at 2:02:05 PM
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As the Wizard so eloquently put it...I have a ding ding.. so I'm using the bathroom assigned to my gender. If the situation were reversed 50 men standing in line; with no women around, and a woman showed up, she would have first dibs on "her" bathroom.
Having said that...in real life I'd probably just hold it or find another bathroom.
Having said that...in real life I'd probably just hold it or find another bathroom.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:07:40 PM
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I chose, "Cut in Line," because there are situations in which I would. Here are my specifics:
Single-Stall
1.) If it is not urgent, and there are only a few (call it three or less) ladies already in line, I'll wait.
2.) If it is not urgent, and there are more than three ladies in line, it may become urgent, so I will evoke the rights afforded to me by my possession of a penis and cut, unless there is another restroom nearby and I know its location.
Multi-Stall
They won't be using the urinal, so I'm going in there and using it. They don't have to look, but if they do, while I am not Ron Jeremy, I'm packing enough that them taking a glance won't be a humiliating experience.
Single-Stall
1.) If it is not urgent, and there are only a few (call it three or less) ladies already in line, I'll wait.
2.) If it is not urgent, and there are more than three ladies in line, it may become urgent, so I will evoke the rights afforded to me by my possession of a penis and cut, unless there is another restroom nearby and I know its location.
Multi-Stall
They won't be using the urinal, so I'm going in there and using it. They don't have to look, but if they do, while I am not Ron Jeremy, I'm packing enough that them taking a glance won't be a humiliating experience.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 2:19:41 PM
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Quote: DJTeddyBearNareed -
That's more of a customer service problem.
Yes, exactly. Venues could have larger women's restrooms, or revert one or more men's restrooms for women's use at peak times, too.
Some businesses do this already. Like Interjet. Their A-320s have three restrooms, two in the back and one in the front. One, I forget which, is reserved for women. The other two are for all passengers. They don't police this, that I've seen, but they do make an anouncement at the start of each flight, and the reserved restroom is clearly marked.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 2:33:30 PM
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Quote: FleaStiffUsually there is some self-appointed female "traffic director" in such a situation since the women want to be assured of a guard being outside if they are in the men's room.
That was not the case here because each room had just one toilet, and could be locked from the inside.
Quote: NareedSome businesses do this already. Like Interjet. Their A-320s have three restrooms, two in the back and one in the front. One, I forget which, is reserved for women.
This strikes me as unfair. If I felt that I was having to wait significantly longer because of the dedicated women's restroom I might complain about it. It is not our fault women take so long.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 2:42:26 PM
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Quote: WizardThis strikes me as unfair.
I'm not surprised.
Quote:It is not our fault women take so long.
Not our fault, either. If you're a believer, take it up with god. If you aren't, rant against natural selection and social pressures.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 3:04:39 PM
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Quote: NareedNot our fault, either.
I've asked women about this and they claim it isn't just taking extra time to undress. One theory I've heard, from women, is that they allow buffer time before and after going, so nobody will know what they did when exiting the stall.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 3:31:52 PM
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I never heard of buffer time. It doesn't take a PhD to know what's going on in the stall next to you, so you can wait all you want and you're not going to fool anyone, and for the record I don't know why some women have to take so long in a public bathroom anyway. I have to undress and dress again too, and I don't take near as long as other women. I do what I have to do and move on.
What I've noticed is that the women who complain the loudest about having to wait on line at the restroom are the ones who take the longest once they get into a stall.
What I've noticed is that the women who complain the loudest about having to wait on line at the restroom are the ones who take the longest once they get into a stall.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:31:07 PM
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Quote: WizardI've asked women about this and they claim it isn't just taking extra time to undress. One theory I've heard, from women, is that they allow buffer time before and after going, so nobody will know what they did when exiting the stall.
I won't go into details. But if you want to reduce the time women spend in public restrooms, then get rid of all mirrors inside. if you want to reduce it even furhter, have every woman check her purse before being allowed in the restroom.
Of course that would be cruel and unusual.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 5:13:21 PM
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Nobody is waiting on line because someone is primping in front of a mirror, it's because all the stalls are in use. There would be no lines if all anyone was doing was standing by the sinks, putting on makeup.
It's the women who put their makeup on while they're in the stalls that are the problem ... or the ones who take phone calls while they're in the stalls and have to wait until they finish the conversation before they get out of the stall ... or the ones who require this alleged buffer time.
It's the women who put their makeup on while they're in the stalls that are the problem ... or the ones who take phone calls while they're in the stalls and have to wait until they finish the conversation before they get out of the stall ... or the ones who require this alleged buffer time.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:18:51 PM
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Quote: NareedAt Bank S there are only two tellers open. One is the Prefered Customer teller. He will take all comers, but give preference to those in the prefered customer line. Now, that line is empty most of the time, but it's likely a prefered customer will arrive before the prefered customer being served finishes a transaction.
Now, the other teller only takes regular customers in this situtation. But this time he was either doing something complicated and time consuming, or was handling a bunch of transactions from the same customer. There were 20+ poeple in line, including me. Seriously, every time I thought the line would move, someone wwnt into the prefered customer line.
Welcome to the world of lines at CZR venues. It was especially rocky for a while after they started the separate lines at every place of business.
December 5th, 2012 at 8:31:50 AM
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I had always supposed it was that women's bladders are smaller than men's.Quote: WizardI've asked women about this and they claim it isn't just taking extra time to undress. One theory I've heard, from women, is that they allow buffer time before and after going, so nobody will know what they did when exiting the stall.
What I observe is not that they take so much longer --undressing is not that longer than unzipping-- but that they are more numerous, because they need more frequent stop-by's. Hence the longer queue.
Did I miss something?
As for the polled situation: if there is no "traffic guard", how am I to know the queue actually is for both stalls? I would innocently "cut", out of ignorance rather than malice.
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December 5th, 2012 at 8:39:33 AM
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December 5th, 2012 at 8:44:00 AM
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Quote: kubikulannI had always supposed it was that women's bladders are smaller than men's.
What I observe is not that they take so much longer --undressing is not that longer than unzipping-- but that they are more numerous, because they need more frequent stop-by's. Hence the longer queue.
Did I miss something?
You must not be an old fart yet kubikulann. A male as he ages, and his prostrate enlarges and puts pressure on the bladder, is much more likely to need more bathroom stops then most ladies. The other old farts on the site can comment if they like but I am sure this is very common for most men as they age.
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December 5th, 2012 at 8:53:16 AM
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Agreed. Add to this that the woman must clean the toilet seat, sit, do their business, clean themselves, it takes much longer. Think about how long the men's line would be if everyone was doing a #2. For women, it's like that. It's always a #2.
I never understood the male need to spend five minutes taking a dump. Really, does it take that long? What the hell are you doing in there? Contemplating life?
I never understood the male need to spend five minutes taking a dump. Really, does it take that long? What the hell are you doing in there? Contemplating life?
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December 5th, 2012 at 8:54:12 AM
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Quote: kenarmanA male as he ages ... is much more likely to need more bathroom stops then most ladies. The other old farts on the site can comment if they like but I am sure this is very common for most men as they age.
Related to this, my wife says that traveling with me is much easier these days; i.e., more frequent rest stops. ;-)
December 5th, 2012 at 9:37:30 AM
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Doesn't this thread belong on Diversity Tomorrow? :p
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December 5th, 2012 at 9:55:48 AM
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Quote: AcesAndEightsDoesn't this thread belong on Diversity Tomorrow? :p
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December 5th, 2012 at 10:21:57 AM
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A few years back I was working in a restaurant that had restroom issues. Far too few seats for the ladies as well as mirror/ sink space. Quite a bit of space for the men. There were several lines of people waiting. Women going to use stalls in women's room, a line for the sink/mirrors in women's restroom. A line of women to use the vacant stalls in the men's room, and a line of women to use the sink/mirrors in the mens room. Very rarely was there a line for men to wait in to use an available urinal. IF there was it didn't seem an issue for the men to wait a few moments.
It blew my mind the first couple times I saw it. Thought I wandered into the wrong room. again.
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It blew my mind the first couple times I saw it. Thought I wandered into the wrong room. again.
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December 5th, 2012 at 10:47:57 AM
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Is this an, "Only in the USofA" issue? What do other countries/cultures do?
Btw, If you were to time 100 random men vs. 100 random women using the facilities, I believe the men's total time would be much less than half the women's, even less if the facility is equipped with a "trough" instead of individual urinals. Paperwork slows everyone.
Btw, If you were to time 100 random men vs. 100 random women using the facilities, I believe the men's total time would be much less than half the women's, even less if the facility is equipped with a "trough" instead of individual urinals. Paperwork slows everyone.
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December 5th, 2012 at 10:52:55 AM
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I have frequented a bar in Rehoboth Beach DE that has a Ladies Room and Unisex room because the amount of female customers far outnumber the males that visit this bar. Seems to solve the problem for them and as a guy, I wait my turn.
December 5th, 2012 at 11:44:54 AM
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Quote: AyecarumbaLike the Half-Marathon, what happens in Vegas, and should stay in Vegas.
Eh, I forgot where the story started. I guess it's acceptable then. Especially given the benevolent dictator-for-life started the thread.
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