EvenBob
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March 6th, 2012 at 8:47:47 PM permalink
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sexual immorality such as contraception, casual sex, pornography,.



Whats immoral about watching consenting adults having
sex. You can't get pregnant or get an STD while watching,
can you.
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s2dbaker
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March 6th, 2012 at 8:50:37 PM permalink
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I think even you and I could agree that those are all big problems. The uniqueness of the problem regarding sexual immorality such as contraception, casual sex, pornography, etc. is that people are still bamboozled or brainwashed into thinking these are not serious problems.

Actually, it's quite the opposite. The bamboozled ones are the people who think that having sex is a serious problem.
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March 6th, 2012 at 9:42:18 PM permalink
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What could be a bigger or a more important cause for all of society then the problems stemming from sexual immorality?


There are too many to list. The fact that you think sexual morality could possibly be the biggest problem facing society is an unfortunate testament to how far removed from reality that view is.

Currently on Earth we have tyrannical warlords oppressing their citizens; institutionalized slavery and discrimination, and the threat of nuclear war promulgated by a regime sworn to wipe another "off the map". We also have a global several year-long recession and, far worse, a coming structural change in the nature of the capitalist economic system which the world is wholly unprepared to manage.

If you ask any random sampling of Americans what the biggest problem facing the country today is, you'll hear one of two related answers: "Jobs" or "The Economy". If you ask your own parishioners the same question, you'll get the same answers. You will not hear, not from even one in one hundred, that "the biggest problem facing our society today is sexual immorality and the problems stemming from it."

I am flabbergasted that you could even possibly consider this to be the case.
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March 6th, 2012 at 10:31:32 PM permalink
Admittedly those problems are all bigger, I misspoke or misswrote. What I find very troubling about the very real problem of sexual immorality is what you give voice to, namely that no one is talking about it. We are all worried about jobs, the economy, war, tyrants, slavery, discrimination and for good reason. No one seems to recognize how sick and distorted our view of sex is and people refuse to acknowledge the negative consequences it is causing. The ordorless, undectable, slow acting poision is as deadly as the nuclear bomb. I am flabbergasted too!
Wavy70
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March 6th, 2012 at 11:35:06 PM permalink
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What I find very troubling about the very real problem of sexual immorality is what you give voice to, namely that no one is talking about it.



How is birth control sexual immorality? That is to equate driving a car with vehicular homicide. Father I think you are overly confused on this topic. Can you please list scripture that explicitly talks of birth control? Yes it was common back then. Remember the Greeks said Minos used a goats bladder as a condom.

Also I notice a lack of the discussion of Birth Control in the Bible however the Church seems to talk a lot about it. Conversely in the Bible The Lord has spoken without any doubt on usury. What is the Church's stand on the worlds banking industry when it is clearly against Gods Law? I think that usury does more to enslave people than condoms. But I am interested since the whole banking industry goes against Gods law why has the Church not come out against it?

I have attached a few examples:

25 " If you lend money to any of My people who are poor among you, you shall not be like a moneylender to him; you shall not charge him interest.
26 "If you ever take your neighbor's garment as a pledge, you shall return it to him before the sun goes down.
27 "For that is his only covering, it is his garment for his skin. What will he sleep in? And it will be that when he cries to Me, I will hear, for I am gracious. (Exodus 22:25-27)
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35 ' If one of your brethren becomes poor, and falls into poverty among you, then you shall help him, like a stranger or a sojourner, that he may live with you.
36 'Take no usury or interest from him; but fear your God, that your brother may live with you.
37 'You shall not lend him your money for usury, nor lend him your food at a profit. (Leviticus 25:35-37)
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19 " You shall not charge interest to your brother -- interest on money or food or anything that is lent out at interest.
20 "To a foreigner you may charge interest, but to your brother you shall not charge interest, that the LORD your God may bless you in all to which you set your hand in the land which you are entering to possess. (Deuteronomy 23:19,20)
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10 "I also, with my brethren and my servants, am lending them money and grain. Please, let us stop this usury!
11 "Restore now to them, even this day, their lands, their vineyards, their olive groves, and their houses, also a hundredth of the money and the grain, the new wine and the oil, that you have charged them." (Nehemiah 5:10,11)
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5 He who does not put out his money at usury, Nor does he take a bribe against the innocent. He who does these things shall never be moved. (Psalm 15:5)
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8 One who increases his possessions by usury and extortion Gathers it for him who will pity the poor. (Proverbs 28:8)
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24:1 Behold, the LORD makes the earth empty and makes it waste, Distorts its surface And scatters abroad its inhabitants.
2 And it shall be: As with the people, so with the priest; As with the servant, so with his master; As with the maid, so with her mistress; As with the buyer, so with the seller; As with the lender, so with the borrower; As with the creditor, so with the debtor.
3 The land shall be entirely emptied and utterly plundered, For the LORD has spoken this word. (Isaiah 24:1-3)
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10 Woe is me, my mother, That you have borne me, A man of strife and a man of contention to the whole earth! I have neither lent for interest, Nor have men lent to me for interest. Every one of them curses me. (Jeremiah 15:10)
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7 If he has not oppressed anyone, But has restored to the debtor his pledge; Has robbed no one by violence, But has given his bread to the hungry And covered the naked with clothing;
8 If he has not exacted usury Nor taken any increase, But has withdrawn his hand from iniquity And executed true judgment between man and man;
9 If he has walked in My statutes And kept My judgments faithfully -- He is just; He shall surely live!" Says the Lord GOD. (Ezekiel 18:7-9)
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13 If he has exacted usury Or taken increase -- Shall he then live? He shall not live! If he has done any of these abominations, He shall surely die; His blood shall be upon him. (Ezekiel 18:13)
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17 Who has withdrawn his hand from the poor And not received usury or increase, But has executed My judgments And walked in My statutes -- He shall not die for the iniquity of his father; He shall surely live! (Ezekiel 18:17)
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12 "In you they take bribes to shed blood; you take usury and increase; you have made profit from your neighbors by extortion, and have forgotten Me," says the Lord GOD. (Ezekiel 22:12)
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March 7th, 2012 at 4:24:31 AM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

Admittedly those problems are all bigger, I misspoke or misswrote. What I find very troubling about the very real problem of sexual immorality is what you give voice to, namely that no one is talking about it. We are all worried about jobs, the economy, war, tyrants, slavery, discrimination and for good reason. No one seems to recognize how sick and distorted our view of sex is and people refuse to acknowledge the negative consequences it is causing. The ordorless, undectable, slow acting poision is as deadly as the nuclear bomb. I am flabbergasted too!

So sayeth the guy who isn't having sex by his own choice. From inside your ivory tower, you can have no idea how ridiculous you look.
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March 7th, 2012 at 5:54:34 AM permalink
Maybe its the vantage point I have, but I wish you would come on up here and see how scary ridiculous you look.
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March 7th, 2012 at 6:30:13 AM permalink
FrGamble, I must admit I agree with you. Our view of sex is sick and distorted, absolutely. And the Catholic Church and other church groups should be staunch against our perceptions of sex in society. It is your belief, and to defend it is the right thing to do. I think that your clergy could get behind a prolonged campaign that supports abstinance, for example. I think it's foolish to speak out against contraception at this time -- your own congregation does not practice it and sees it as backwards thinking.

However, contraception to some, is simply a tool to er, practice our view. I realize that contraception has been on the church's radar for a long time because it's been around for a long time. But if you're going to unload on contraception, the Church should also be unloading on cable networks, television, the internet, and any other medium that spreads the bad message. The problem is that the church doesn't have any meaningful statements when it comes to the real problem, which is not contraception, but the immorality and the spread of immorality as well. I use the internet, everyday. The internet spreads a pile of porn and immorality, only a click away. Why isn't the Catholic church coming down hard on the internet, on cable networks. Catholics all over the world should be banning the internet, stop getting cable, and stop frequenting stores that help spread immorality through the world. No?

I mean, there are valuable benefits for contraception in any form outside of the realm of birth control. While condoms may be a form of contraception, others use it purely to control disease. I mean, women may be on the pill but for new partners will use a condom to prevent the spread of STDs. Folks who are on the pill may use it to control their periods and to lessen bloating and pain around these times. Those are are sterlized may do so because of uterine fibroids or other medical reasons. These are all forms of "contraception" whose prime purpose is to lessen disease and make women more comfortable, and I don't see how any biblical text can argue against that.

So, FrGamble, I would ask you to ask your superiors that question. What's the big deal about contraception, when there are so many other ways to fight sexual immorality in this world that would have much better results?
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March 7th, 2012 at 6:50:44 AM permalink
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Famine, Slavery, Genocide come to mind off the top of my head.



Too easy. I mean, what with no prohibitions on slavery in the Bible, the locusts unleashed on egypt, and plenty of divine acts of genocide detailed in the Bible. For some reason the term "doubleplusgood" comes to mind...
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March 7th, 2012 at 6:53:40 AM permalink
Quote: s2dbaker

Actually, it's quite the opposite. The bamboozled ones are the people who think that having sex is a serious problem.



+1. I don't understand the term "sexual immorality". It's a non-sequitur, an oxymoron. What is immoral about sex?

On the other hand, if you think that there is something immoral about sex, then it only makes sense that you'd want to REGULATE it.
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