Going to the Consistory!
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they paying for the trip or do you have to use your
gambling winnings.
But out of curiosity, and ignorance due to my Jewish upbringing, is the "highest honor" you mention, that of your invitation to go, or that of the elevation from Archbishop to Cardinal? Or something else?
Is Cardinal the top of the food chain?
Perhaps my ignorance comes from the lack of clear understanding of the term "cleric."
I've never heard of one outside Rome and the only thing I see is that they are a sort-of Board of Directors under the Pope. Can you clear it up?
While I am at it, is there a standard for "Archbishop" and "Archdiocese?" All I ever heard was it meant the Diocese was big, though Pittsburgh would have had to qualified at some point if that alone was the standard.
Quote: EvenBobGo in an official capacity, or just as an observer? Are
they paying for the trip or do you have to use your
gambling winnings.
Father Gamble, ignore Bob, show that little lost lamb with hoof-in-mouth disease devine patience, because that's what Bob and I require at times.
Even I was aghast at that one.
Bob - apologize, really.
Quote: Paigowdan
Even I was aghast at that one.
Bob - apologize, really.
He can use his winnings any way he see's fit, a
trip to Rome is a nice idea.
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My twin brother (also named Bob) works for the Catholic Church, as did my late father, and used his non-gambling money to visit the Vatican. And he is a dice-throwing, horse-racing afficionado. He won a huge payout on the race-book (a pick-6) not too long ago, and made NO public connection between any gambling winnings and Christ's work, not for a second.
church business.
Quote: EvenBobIf he has to pay for the trip himself, its not
church business.
True. Good point.
But I cannot personally - on any sort of spiritual or religious level - equate anything of a gambling or drinking or "approved adult recreation" nature, or cash gotten thereof - to anything spiritual or devine.
Via transubstantiation, wine is no longer an alcoholic beverage, but the blood of Christ, or so goes the concept.
Cash won from Gambling? I believe there is no transubstantiation for gambling proceeds, - period.
Win a chunk of cash? pay the mortgage or car loan. Even give it to Catholic charities, fine.
Say it is directly and officially usable for Chrst's work? A tad different. The equation, that formula makes me cringe a tad. Just me, I'll give you all that.
Visiting the Vatican? Great, Excellent, my brother raves about it.
I will overlook that small error and I am sure the Pope will as well.
Seriously, this Hampden boy and 11 grade Mount Saint Joseph High School dropout says CONGRATULATIONS.
Quote: DJTeddyBearBut out of curiosity, and ignorance due to my Jewish upbringing, is the "highest honor" you mention, that of your invitation to go, or that of the elevation from Archbishop to Cardinal? Or something else?
Is Cardinal the top of the food chain?
The highest honor is when you are named to the College of Cardinals, but an invitation to go isn’t so shabby either. Yep, being a Cardinal is about as high as you can go. However, just to confuse everyone you can also be named a Cardinal-deacon or a Cardinal-priest.
Quote: AZDuffmanWhat is the capacity of a Cardinal anyways? Are they more scholars than admimistrators? Or is it a legit promotion above Bishop. I ask because way back in Catholic School I said or asked something about Cardinals and the priest really blew it off and said, "A Cardinal is nothing but a Bishop with a fancy title."
I've never heard of one outside Rome and the only thing I see is that they are a sort-of Board of Directors under the Pope. Can you clear it up?
While I am at it, is there a standard for "Archbishop" and "Archdiocese?" All I ever heard was it meant the Diocese was big, though Pittsburgh would have had to qualified at some point if that alone was the standard.
They are a mixture of administrative types of people and very scholarly types. The capacity of a Cardinal is to be special advisors to the Pope, often take on international responsibilities connected to one of the offices or ministries of the Vatican, they receive a titular Church somewhere in Rome, and they of course get to elect the Pope. So it is definitely a legit promotion. However, they remain bishops, just like the Pope remains the bishop of Rome, so there is some truth in the statement that they are Bishops with a fancy title and a lot more responsibility to the worldwide Catholic Church.
An Archdiocese doesn’t necessarily have to be big, geographically or population wise. It is a distinction that there are other dioceses under an Archdiocese which has very limited oversight.
Quote: buzzpaff" where the highest honor a cleric can receive is bestowed. "
I will overlook that small error and I am sure the Pope will as well.
Opps, I hope he overlooks it too – good catch!
Quote: FrGambleThey are a mixture of administrative types of people and very scholarly types. The capacity of a Cardinal is to be special advisors to the Pope, often take on international responsibilities connected to one of the offices or ministries of the Vatican, they receive a titular Church somewhere in Rome, and they of course get to elect the Pope. So it is definitely a legit promotion. However, they remain bishops, just like the Pope remains the bishop of Rome, so there is some truth in the statement that they are Bishops with a fancy title and a lot more responsibility to the worldwide Catholic Church.
An Archdiocese doesn’t necessarily have to be big, geographically or population wise. It is a distinction that there are other dioceses under an Archdiocese which has very limited oversight.
Thanks for that, you mostly confirmed what I thought. Godfather III jokes aside, interesting how even the Church needs good administators at the top. FWIW, I don't think that is what this priest meant about "fancy title bishop" but he thought hanging around the College of Cardinals might not be the most productive thing they could do. Or secularly, "Don't associate me with them, I work for a living.........."
Archdiocese I didn't know that deal. I thought I heard Pittsburgh was now an Archdiocese, would make sense with all the smaller cities around it.
May they be touched by His noodly appendageQuote: FrGambleI happen to know very well the two American Archbishops that are being elevated to Cardinal; Edwin O'Brien and Timothy Dolan. I am so happy for them and the Church universal!
the house edge the same as in a regular casino?
Any chance you can pull some strings?
Quote: WizardPadre, I don't know if you know, but I'm an avid license plate collector. One of the toughest international plates to get, probably THE toughest, is the Vatican.
Any chance you can pull some strings?
If you get the WIz plate "SCV 1" I will go to confession.
Quote: WizardPadre, I don't know if you know, but I'm an avid license plate collector. One of the toughest international plates to get, probably THE toughest, is the Vatican.
Any chance you can pull some strings?
My old seminary is on extraterriatorial Vatican property, I will see if I can find you one.
Quote: WizardAny chance you can pull some strings?
Just take a screwdriver in your luggage, and, well, you know...
Its for a good cause.
Quote: DJTeddyBearI'm sure this is a great honor for you. Congrats.
Is Cardinal the top of the food chain?
the Bishop of Rome , or Pope, is considered the Vicar Christi, or "Monarch (ruling on behalf) of Christ". In the absence of an elected Pope, the camerlengo, ("chamberlain"), the official administrator of all material wealth and property belonging to the Vatican, acts sede vacante as Pope.
Quote: DJTeddyBearPerhaps my ignorance comes from the lack of clear understanding of the term "cleric."
Any confirmed priest or higher-rank clergyman
Quote: WizardPadre, I don't know if you know, but I'm an avid license plate collector. One of the toughest international plates to get, probably THE toughest, is the Vatican.
Any chance you can pull some strings?
Considering the reaction of some clergy and religious organisations to the popularising of one particular wizard (ie, Harry Potter), I wonder what the reaction of someone in the Vatican would be to FrGamble's request for a Wizard friend of his? ;)
It's what Jesus would do.Quote: EvenBobJust take a screwdriver in your luggage, and, well, you know...
Its for a good cause.
I certainly can't condone a screwdriver acquisition, but you'll make a heathen very happy if perhaps the Vatican Department of Mother Vehicles has an old one laying around. That is how I got some nice ones from the Bahamas once.
Quote: WizardVatican Department of Mother Vehicles has an old one laying around.
I think you meant the Vatican Department of Blessed Mother Vehicles.
Mother vehicles?Quote: Wizard... the Vatican Department of Mother Vehicles ...
It's incredible how the biggest belly laughs can come from typos...
Quote: DJTeddyBearMother vehicles?
It's incredible how the biggest belly laughs can come from typos...
Its the Vatican, shouldn't it be Father Vehicles?
By the way Wiz I found out that it is harder than I expected to get a Vatican License Plate. Even if you technically live in extra-terriotorial Vatican property or work at the Vatican you still can't register your car there. You have to actually live at the Vatican or the car has to be owned by the Vatican itself. I do have a lead with one of the drivers of the Cardinal who said that when he has to renew their license plate (didn't know when) he would see if he could keep it for me (doesn't know if he can). The Swiss Guard would not let me go to the Vatican's Blessed Mother Vechicle department. Sorry I couldn't get one for you this trip.
