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October 19th, 2014 at 10:52:46 AM permalink
Quote: Artemis


If gambling is not allowed, then it would be inscribed onto the Moses' 10 Commandments Tablet.





It was, there were 15, Moses dropped a tablet.
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October 19th, 2014 at 2:42:10 PM permalink
" Wealth gained hastily2 will dwindle,

but whoever gathers little by little will increase it. "


" He who loves money will not be satisfied with money, nor he who loves wealth with his income; this also is vanity. "

" Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you. ""
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October 19th, 2014 at 2:45:53 PM permalink
" He that hastens to be rich has an evil eye, and considers not that poverty shall come on him."
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October 19th, 2014 at 2:58:27 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

There were plenty of rich godly people in the Old Testament, like Job.



He was probably an 8/5 or something, no wonder he was rich.

Somewhat more seriously, casting (or drawing) lots was a common thing in the olden days.
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October 19th, 2014 at 5:13:12 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Can you quote me just one verse in the bible that specifically says gambling is sinful? I would also take issue with the opinion that having more money than what you need is sinful. There were plenty of rich godly people in the Old Testament, like Job.



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October 19th, 2014 at 5:31:22 PM permalink
Neither the consumption of alcohol nor gambling either one gets much of a drubbing in the Bible.

You can find passages where excessive boozing is criticized, as well as excessive interest in money; neglect of the poor ... etc.

A clear condemnation of gambling is unknown to me. I think you have to say casting lots over the Robe is even a case of sideways criticism, much as an enthusiastic gambler of today might find wagering over whether or not someone with Ebola is going to survive distasteful. As for the Robe, you could make a case that the soldiers were merely fulfilling prophecy [as the writer of the Gospel of John maintains]

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+19%3A24&version=KJV
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October 19th, 2014 at 5:56:10 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

" Wealth gained hastily2 will dwindle,

but whoever gathers little by little will increase it. "


" He who loves money will not be satisfied with money, nor he who loves wealth with his income; this also is vanity. "

" Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you. ""



I think you could sum up all those with the well-known quotation by Jesus, "The love of money is the root of all evil." However, I don't think that is the usual reason why people gamble. This is not my area of expertise, but it seems to me most people game in moderation for amounts that they consider for entertainment purposes. I think that the Catholic church would use the same argument to justify church bingo.

About the casting of lots for Jesus' clothes, the bible says:

“Let’s not tear it,” they said to one another. “Let’s decide by lot who will get it.” This happened that the scripture might be fulfilled that said, “They divided my clothes among them and cast lots for my garment.” -- John 19:24. The other three gospels have a little less detail. It seems to me it is just reporting what happened and not a condemnation of casting lots in general.

By the way, "casting lots" is kind of like keno or bingo where a random marked stone is drawn from a jar.
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October 19th, 2014 at 6:18:01 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard



By the way, "casting lots" is kind of like keno or bingo where a random marked stone is drawn from a jar.



Casting lots for belongings was common
practice at Roman executions.
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October 19th, 2014 at 6:47:09 PM permalink
First of all thanks so much to the Wizard for doing such a great job in reporting on his experience of lighting a candle for our families in Church. I do believe if the Lord grants Pope Francis a long reign he might try to break St. John Paul II's record of canonizing saints. I wish the Church was nicer and the candles were real, oh well. It looks like some of the artwork in that Church I could use to prove to EvenBob the existence of sin. I also liked the joke about praying in casinos. It reminds me of the cab driver who went to heaven along with the life-long preacher. As St. Peter was showing them their mansions the preacher discovered that the cab driver had a much nicer eternal home. He asked Peter, "I don't understand I served the Lord faithfully always preaching many hours about the Gospel and this cab driver gets this huge place?" Peter responds, "We judge on results here in Heaven and while you put people to sleep for a living he caused everyone he drove to fervently pray."

Anyway, I wanted to really clarify and say once again that for me and the Catholic Church gambling is not a sin in itself. It can lead to an enslavement and can cause huge problems in people's lives, but it can also be a form of healthy entertainment and competition. I think choosing to gamble is a decision not to be taken lightly. It goes a little further than just making sure you don't put at risk your rent or your kid's college education. You also have to weigh your contributions to charity outside of gambling and make sure that your gambling losses are not disproportionate to your donations or put at risk your ability to justly serve the poor or needy or whatever causes or people that you support. I also believe you have a responsibility to do research and always make the best bet, which is what led me to the Wizard's sites. Speaking of these sites they have been a blessing to me. I've learned a lot about gambling and life from the forums here and more recently at DT.

Thanks everybody and may God Bless you all!

p.s. Casting lots is not always negative in the Bible. The Apostles cast lots for who would take the place of Judas.
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October 19th, 2014 at 7:16:25 PM permalink
Quote: FrGamble

clarify and say once again that for me and the Catholic Church gambling is not a sin in itself. .



How would they know that when nobody
really knows what sin is. Maybe it's worst
sin there is, maybe sin doesn't exist at all.
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