Alleluia He is Risen!

Happy Easter everyone!

Quote: FrGamble

Happy Easter everyone!

U know.... there was already a Happy Easter thread? I guess you wanted your own to make sure we know he has risen?

Quote: FrGamble

He is Risen!

it's kind of funny that Catholicism's biggest holiday is based on a zombie myth

Thanks Father!

Can you explain (or someone with good knowledge of the English language) why it's "He is Risen" vs. "He has Risen"? Back when it was written, was "has" not the accepted verb tense or something?

Quote: tringlomane

Thanks Father!

Can you explain (or someone with good knowledge of the English language) why it's "He is Risen" vs. "He has Risen"? Back when it was written, was "has" not the accepted verb tense or something?

Because "risen" is on ongoing state of not being dead. You can say "he has risen" to describe the rising from the dead, and "he is risen" to describe the current state. Just like you can say "the yeast is risen" -- which also makes more factual sense.

When used with "is," risen is an adjective. When used with "has," risen is a verb.

Quote: tringlomane

Back when it was written, was "has" not the accepted verb tense or something?

It all depends a great deal on whether the originals were written in Greek, Aramaic or Hebrew, then on how and when they were translated, not to mention which English version of the Bible the good father uses.

Quote: sodawater

it's kind of funny that Catholicism's biggest holiday is based on a zombie myth

Wouldn't that be Christmas?

Edit : and it's not a zombie myth. He wasn't "undead".

Quote: AxelWolf

U know.... there was already a Happy Easter thread? I guess you wanted your own to make sure we know he has risen?

Have you seen that other Easter thread? Nice Easter eggs but that's not what this day is about nor zombies. It's about Jesus' victory over sin and death and through Him our ability to share in this greatest hope of all humanity. God bless!

Quote: FrGamble

in this greatest hope of all humanity.

Perhaps you are back talking about that other Easter thread now. Or is that the thread for the greatest hope of about half of humanity?

Quote: Dracula

Wouldn't that be Christmas?

Edit : and it's not a zombie myth. He wasn't "undead".

No, the most important holiday in the Catholic calendar is unquestionably Easter.

And how is he not "undead"? What else would you call it?

Quote: FrGamble

Have you seen that other Easter thread? Nice Easter eggs but that's not what this day is about nor zombies. It's about Jesus' victory over sin and death and through Him our ability to share in this greatest hope of all humanity. God bless!

Ahhhh well then this would have best fit inside celebrating religion. Not everyone believes in fairy tails. The Easter Bunny is just as real to them as God is. Do you feel god and Jesus would have been offended posting this in with that thread? I'm very confused if that's the case, as i feel they are both disgusted with gambling period.

I don't know why Christians need special days to calibrate Jesus/God. Possibly more money is needed to build fancy churches. Everyday should be about celebrating God and Jesus.

Quote: FrGamble

Have you seen that other Easter thread? Nice Easter eggs but that's not what this day is about nor zombies. It's about Jesus' victory over sin and death and through Him our ability to share in this greatest hope of all humanity. God bless!

Ahhhh well then this would have best fit inside celebrating religion. Not everyone believes in fairy tails. The Easter Bunny is just as real to them as God is. Do you feel god and Jesus would have been offended posting this in with that thread? I'm very confused if that's the case, as i feel they are both disgusted with gambling period.

I don't know why Christians need special days to calibrate Jesus/God. Possibly more money is needed to build fancy churches. Everyday should be about celebrating God and Jesus.

Quote: sodawater

And how is he not "undead"? What else would you call it?

I would simply call it being alive, like you and me, except now after death glorified and more perfect. This is our destiny as well thanks to Jesus, to live no longer subject to pain or suffering or sin - truly glorified in the joys of Heaven.

Anyway signing off for a while - Happy Easter again to all!

I'm not very religious, but I don't see any need try and start a debate either. So, Happy Easter to everybody.

Quote: JohnnyQ

I'm not very religious, but I don't see any need try and start a debate either. So, Happy Easter to everybody.

Fine sentiments. Even if its Happy 32B.

Quote: sodawater

No, the most important holiday in the Catholic calendar is unquestionably Easter.

And how is he not "undead"? What else would you call it?

You said biggest not most important. I think Christmas is way more popular and attracts way more attention to "the cause". Ergo, biggest.
Zombies operate on some type of animal instinct to eat brains. While appearing alive they are 100% dead (no pulse etc)
It appears Jesus was literally raised from the dead back to eternal life. Capable of thought and speech that had more than the word "brains"
Jesus was healed when he rose, zombies would still be all smashed up as they do not posses supernatural healing.
I could go on and on (zombies are my fave).
All in all,
Jesus resurrection in not consistent with the "undead" state of a zombie.

Edit: although in night of the living dead 2, I think, the zombies were capable of small sentences. They ate an ambulance driver or something and then got on the radio and said "send more cops" lol

Zombies are great fiction. Jesus appeared to more than 525 people. Historical fact. Deal with it. Happy Easter!

Quote: AxelWolf

Everyday should be about celebrating God and Jesus.

Have you seen the George Carlin skit "god always needs money"?
For someone who I think doesn't believe in god, you are hit the nail on the head about celebrating every day.

Quote: Dracula

Have you seen the George Carlin skit "god always needs money"?
For someone who I think doesn't believe in god, you are hit the nail on the head about celebrating every day.

If you find it please post up. Its all about the money, it always has been and it always will be.

Quote: AxelWolf

If you find it please post up. Its all about the money, it always has been and it always will be.

Let me say I try to be a spiritual person and I do believe in god.

George Carlin is one of my favorites, here is a little piece on religion.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE

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Quote: Dracula

Let me say I try to be a spiritual person and I do believe in god.

George Carlin is one of my favorites, here is a little piece on religion.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE

Thank you, I do think I have seen that before. Very funny for MOST even if you're a god fearing man, I am watching it now again GC is one of the best ever in my book. I think an Angel Cries every time someone plays it . (they must hate auto click) According to others, GOD has humor, if so, God should be LHAO watching this one.

Well God once asked Moses if his (God's) arm was too short, so yes, he has a sense of humor.

Quote: DeMango

Zombies are great fiction. Jesus appeared to more than 525 people. Historical fact. Deal with it. Happy Easter!

Aren't you confused by the difference between "fact" and "fiction"? The fact is "XX persons say they met Jesus". The fiction is "Jesus appeared to XX persons".

Correction: Even the existence of the supposed persons is not historically certain. So: "An anonymous author wrote that XX hypothetical persons met a hypothetical character named Jesus."

I'm not confused by historical facts. That is what Paul wrote. No one has been able to disprove it. Deal with it.

OK, so I change "anonymous author" to "Saul aka Paul".

I am your God. No one has been able to disprove it. Deal with it.

You are not god. I can prove that.

Please try.

Never heard of the Holy Quaternity? The Father, the Son, the Spirit and the Kubikulann. Made flesh to bring light to the minus habens. Suffering for our sins the atrocious lot of having to cater to the credulous who believe in fairy tales, Moses, Paul, Jesus and the like.

I challenge you to prove the contrary.

My favorite thing about Easter that most Christians don't seem to know is that they date is based on the first full moon on spring. Seems like a strange thing to base a religious holiday on. Although now it's not actually (or always) based on a "real" full moon but rather the paschal (also know as the ecclesiastical) full moon.

So Easter falls on the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox - sorta. From Wikipedia:

Easter is a moveable feast, meaning it is not fixed in relation to the civil calendar. The First Council of Nicaea (325) established the date of Easter as the first Sunday after the full moon (the Paschal Full Moon) following the March equinox.[18] Ecclesiastically, the equinox is reckoned to be on 21 March (although the astronomical equinox occurs on 20 March in most years), and the "Full Moon" is not necessarily on the astronomically correct date. The date of Easter therefore varies from 22 March to 25 April inclusive. Eastern Christianity bases its calculations on the Julian calendar, whose 21 March corresponds, during the 21st century, to 3 April in the Gregorian calendar, and in which therefore the celebration of Easter varies between 4 April and 8 May.

and

In 725, Bede succinctly wrote, "The Sunday following the full Moon which falls on or after the equinox will give the lawful Easter."[57] However, this does not reflect the actual ecclesiastical rules precisely. One reason for this is that the full moon involved (called the Paschal full moon) is not an astronomical full moon, but the 14th day of a calendar lunar month. Another difference is that the astronomical equinox is a natural astronomical phenomenon, which can fall on 19, 20 or 21 March, while the ecclesiastical date is fixed by convention on 21 March.[58]

In applying the ecclesiastical rules, Christian churches use 21 March as the starting point in determining the date of Easter, from which they find the next full moon, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter

I've found very few Christians that have any idea why the date for Easter varies from year to year.

Quote: PBguy

Seems like a strange thing to base a religious holiday on.

Well, it's because it's based on a lunar calendar, corrupted by a few thousand years of not being on speaking terms with actual Jews.

(Also, note that the Orthodox church counts a different point in the lunar cycle as the "full moon," which is the actual reason it's usually a week later - although not this year. The Julian calendar only comes into play when there's a [Catholic] full moon in the first two weeks of [Gregorian] Spring.)

As to the historicity of Biblical figures, I've got to say I take something of a maximalist view, only because there's only so high a standard one can hold accounts of the "little people" of that era to. Probably - and it's my understanding this is the majority position - Luke and Mark were written by figures similar to their traditional authors (disciples of Paul and Peter, respectively; Matthew and John no), and almost every major human figure in the New Testament, including Jesus, existed in some form. That said, there are a lot of things in there - not all of them supernatural - that just can't have happened without leaving evidence.

Quote: Dracula

Let me say I try to be a spiritual person and I do believe in god.

George Carlin is one of my favorites, here is a little piece on religion.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8r-e2NDSTuE

I saw Carlin in Las Vegas back in the day.

Best show I ever saw.

Quote: FrGamble

Have you seen that other Easter thread? Nice Easter eggs but that's not what this day is about nor zombies. It's about Jesus' victory over sin and death and through Him our ability to share in this greatest hope of all humanity. God bless!

If God/Jesus/Holy Spirit (since they are 3 in 1, right?) created man and woman, then what is wrong with celebrating the female form?

Quote: sodawater

And how is he not "undead"? What else would you call it?

"Only mostly dead"

Quote: AxelWolf

Ahhhh well then this would have best fit inside celebrating religion. Not everyone believes in fairy tails. The Easter Bunny is just as real to them as God is. Do you feel god and Jesus would have been offended posting this in with that thread? I'm very confused if that's the case, as i feel they are both disgusted with gambling period.

I don't know why Christians need special days to calibrate Jesus/God. Possibly more money is needed to build fancy churches. Everyday should be about celebrating God and Jesus.

If the victory was all preordained by God the Father, then how miraculous of a victory was it?

i get what you are syaing ace.
the answer is that Jesus did have to do and feel all of the hurt and pain as a humanbeing would.
i am a Christian but i get why people probably don't hate Jesus but they cant stand his followers.
God is Great,beer is good,people are crazy.

KB1

Quote: KB1

i am a Christian but i get why people probably don't hate Jesus but they cant stand his followers.
KB1

+1 I've met more hypocritical Christians then Atheists. It makes my beliefs look bad :(