Feature on the slots in Melbourne
October 20th, 2011 at 9:59:32 AM
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That's the Melbourne in Australia, not the one in Florida.
Anyway, I was at Melbourne's Crown Casino (for some reason, there's plenty of roulette, baccarat, and card games to go around, but few craps tables, and zero video poker), and I noticed that all of the slot machines (well, they call them "poker machines", or "pokies", mainly because they have A, K, Q, J, 10 instead of fruit symbols - and pretty much all of the machines are the 5 reels x 3 visible rows variety) had a surprising feature; if you went through enough of the on-screen information screens, the machine displayed its expected return percentage. I was a little surprised that the dollar machines only had about a 93% return (the penny ones tended to be somewhere around 85%, I think).
(I didn't see any progressive machines; if there were any, they may have been limited to the "members only" high-rollers area.)
Something tells me I'm not about to see this coming to any Vegas casinos any time soon (especially as it seems to be limited just to Melbourne; the slots at Star City casino didn't have this).
Anyway, I was at Melbourne's Crown Casino (for some reason, there's plenty of roulette, baccarat, and card games to go around, but few craps tables, and zero video poker), and I noticed that all of the slot machines (well, they call them "poker machines", or "pokies", mainly because they have A, K, Q, J, 10 instead of fruit symbols - and pretty much all of the machines are the 5 reels x 3 visible rows variety) had a surprising feature; if you went through enough of the on-screen information screens, the machine displayed its expected return percentage. I was a little surprised that the dollar machines only had about a 93% return (the penny ones tended to be somewhere around 85%, I think).
(I didn't see any progressive machines; if there were any, they may have been limited to the "members only" high-rollers area.)
Something tells me I'm not about to see this coming to any Vegas casinos any time soon (especially as it seems to be limited just to Melbourne; the slots at Star City casino didn't have this).
February 2nd, 2018 at 1:54:35 PM
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Australian Federal Court rules that neither manufacturer not the casino violated consumer law by having four 30 symbol reels followed by a fifth wheel with 44 symbols (and fewer winning symbols) on the theory that the conduct does not rise to the level of duplicity required by Australian consumer protection laws.
The gambler might be confused by the revelations available but once play was started the randomness would become obvious to the user and therefor not a fraud.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/feb/02/poker-machines-crown-casino-found-not-to-have-mislead-players-with-design
A favorable decision for the industry but not one that flatters the minds of Australians and probably grates on legal scholars.
The gambler might be confused by the revelations available but once play was started the randomness would become obvious to the user and therefor not a fraud.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/feb/02/poker-machines-crown-casino-found-not-to-have-mislead-players-with-design
A favorable decision for the industry but not one that flatters the minds of Australians and probably grates on legal scholars.
February 2nd, 2018 at 4:52:08 PM
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Unrelated the Crown used to have various forms on Blackjack with 6/5 being a regular feature. However you have to look closely to realise you're not playing regular "Blackjack". I do remember they had lots of fruit machines.
February 27th, 2018 at 5:33:59 AM
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I also think that this is the usual BlackJack. But every casino looks at it in its own way. If they did it there, but they do not, then they did not appreciate all the interest.
February 27th, 2018 at 10:10:16 AM
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I've seen holds on machines in WV at parlors, stating 8.01%. Haven't changed in ten years, which is kind of surprising.
As far as the fifth reel goes, don't really see how players can know this without first becoming a victim. That is basically what the court said, it was obvious to people. If they're so obvious, the casino didn't state such information before people gambled. I've never felt right to me disguising the odds, keeping them a secret, other than that's how it's always been. If people knew for a fact how bad a particular slot was by being notified in black and white, many wouldn't bother.
As far as the fifth reel goes, don't really see how players can know this without first becoming a victim. That is basically what the court said, it was obvious to people. If they're so obvious, the casino didn't state such information before people gambled. I've never felt right to me disguising the odds, keeping them a secret, other than that's how it's always been. If people knew for a fact how bad a particular slot was by being notified in black and white, many wouldn't bother.
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