3rd Tale of the Hustling Wars

What's wrong with you people? Darkoz gives us some interesting history and a good read and you guys get on him? Come on.

I like his stories they are fun and interesting and educational. However his claim about knowing when a machine is going to hit a bonus round has many of us skeptical. It's no different than someone claiming they can spot trends in baccarat.

It's kind of weird that darkoz portrays himself as this in-the-know professional gambler, someone who knows every angle, but then slips up and posts one of the oldest misconceptions about slot machines.

That kind of error and the subsequent defending of the error makes me call into question almost everything else he has posted.

Quote: sodawater

It's kind of weird that darkoz portrays himself as this in-the-know professional gambler, someone who knows every angle, but then slips up and posts one of the oldest misconceptions about slot machines.

That kind of error and the subsequent defending of the error makes me call into question almost everything else he has posted.

"darkoz portrays himself as this in-the-know professional gambler, someone who knows every angle"

I didn't get that impression. I got the impression he stumbled on to something and exploited it. It seems he's more interested in being an AP writer than actually APing.

He probably thinks for the most part his APing opportunities are dwindling.

There's no reason to give so many details about this stuff if you're interested in APing full time because such details help ensure it's less likely to happen again.

This time it may have only been worth a few bucks per card, but imagine if it was worth $25 a card.

Perhaps he will tell us he has something much better and so it's all good.

Quote: Frogger

What's wrong with you people? Darkoz gives us some interesting history and a good read and you guys get on him? Come on.

As HH pointed out, no one is bashing hit stories just the slot prediction aspect.

If he understood more about AP he would realize the potential value of such a claim.

If this predictions work on 2 or 3 machines that he's found already, imagine all the untested machines out there, certainly he didn't find the only ones doing this.
Even if by some small chance the machines he's found are not +EV if he can truly do what he's clamming there's got to be hundreds that are worth a fortune.

We have a member here that actually designs slots and AP's If this were possible I have to Imagine he has far more access, skill and knowledge and his predictions would be far more accurate. As far as I know he's not out breaking the bank on slots. Perhaps we need to put a tail on him.

Wow, so many posts since I've been on here I don't know where to begin.

Lets see. I was asked for a couple of slots where I can predict the bonus round. I gave them. Now everyone wants me to prove it. Not sure how I am supposed to do that except to videotape thousands of pulls to show it and I'm not doing that.

Why thousands? Because if I just videotape me predicting it once successfully, I will be accused of getting lucky and using selective videotaping.

And I'm not going to spend my time videotaping thousands of pulls.

BTW, I said there is still no advantage play to being able to predict when the bonus round is coming (and I stated I can only give a decent estimate, it's not a dead-on guess and can be wrong 20% of the time). You don't know how much that round is going to be worth. It is a very good play if you are using free-play and you have an advantage already.

Funny, I don't claim to be able to overcome HA or HE and yet everyone still believes I am making some fantastic claim. I've mentioned some of the games. Go play them tens of thousands of times and you will hopefully begin to predict like I can.

As for my AP ability, I have an AP move that I do which I do not tell anyone. It is very lucrative and works most of the time (it only doesn't work when the casinos find out and battle me but then card counters have the same problem.)

I stated I had nothing to do with the counterfeiting scheme and I hold to that. I was doing small time hustles like the card flipping and riding the busses but that was two years ago. I've moved onto much bigger and better things.

Quote: darkoz

BTW, I said there is still no advantage play to being able to predict when the bonus round is coming (and I stated I can only give a decent estimate, it's not a dead-on guess and can be wrong 20% of the time). You don't know how much that round is going to be worth. It is a very good play if you are using free-play and you have an advantage already.

Funny, I don't claim to be able to overcome HA or HE and yet everyone still believes I am making some fantastic claim. I've mentioned some of the games. Go play them tens of thousands of times and you will hopefully begin to predict like I can.

This is not how slot machines work. You are under a very common misconception that you can predict patterns where there are none.

Quote: sodawater

This is not how slot machines work. You are under a very common misconception that you can predict patterns where there are none.

The only problem with that statement is I see the patterns and when I say to myself a bonus round is coming I get it right 80% of the time. So should I ignore what I see and predict because its a common misconception?

Even if its a misconception I plan on using it since, guess what, I'm right 80% of the time.

Quote: darkoz

The only problem with that statement is I see the patterns and when I say to myself a bonus round is coming I get it right 80% of the time. So should I ignore what I see and predict because its a common misconception?

Even if its a misconception I plan on using it since, guess what, I'm right 80% of the time.

Wow, it is amazing you are right 80% of the time. That is such a nice round number.

This is a simple example of confirmation bias. You remember the times you were right, and forget the times you were wrong. This happens every day in almost every area of human existence. There is no shame in falling for it.

The only way to be sure you can predict the bonus round is to set a strict standard of what you are trying to predict, when you expect it will come, and keep detailed records. As you collect more and more records, your confidence in your prediction ability will grow.

Failing that, it's simply confirmation bias, nothing more, nothing less.