darkoz
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February 14th, 2015 at 8:45:42 PM permalink
Quote: Deck007

darkoz

We are both posting at the same tme. But you beat me to it by 20 mins.

But sorry I don't understand what you are saying about "Hustling Wars".

Every time a gambler bet on $100 on Bac. the casino earn or win $1.40 and $2.78 on single zero Roulette. The casino cannot get enough players or players to bet $Zillions.

I know Resort here has your photo on your players card. And their surveillance is very good. Playing with somebody else card is a no-no in any casino. I believe it has something to do with Comps.
It happen to me the one time I did this. I told my wife to play the terminal for me as I want to go for a walk/ toilet. I told her just hit the repeat button every round. When I came back 10 mins. later there were 3 or 4 men in suites standing around her and asking her where is Mr. ....

The other thing I find puzzling about your posting is getting free play. You cash out what you have on your card. I don't think anybody here or in the US would play just for free play credits that you are talking about.



Resorts World only has photos on higher level cards. The new member cards which are red have no photos.

Thinking that the casino "earns" $1.40 or $2.78 on every spin is based on theoretical return. IF two players each make one bet and lose only one dollar, then receive ten dollars in free-play, trust me that is an advantage. Especially if you repeat it ad infinitum with dozens of cards.

The suits at Resorts World and Empire clamped down on you and your wife BECAUSE of the hustling war. Trust me, there were hundreds of thousands of dollars lost to the hustlers from the point special.

I do differ with your analysis that the surveillance is very good at Resorts. They were sloppy and not on the ball for almost a year and a half. I, myself, was a card flipper at one time with 14 player's cards and they didn't catch me for almost two years.
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darkoz
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February 14th, 2015 at 8:50:36 PM permalink
Here are the current Empire specials.

And the link: http://www.empirecitycasino.com/Promotions/#Great8s

Great 8s
February 16, 23
March 2, 9, 16


Empire Club Members earn 8 Empire Points playing any slot machine to receive $8 Free Play. Plus receive 8x points on Baccarat games and enjoy specially priced food and beverages!
$8 drink specials in the Entertainment Lounge
$8 frozen cocktails at Dan Rooney's
$8 food specials in the Food Court

One Free Play offer per Empire Club Member per promotional day. Must be 21 years of age or older to purchase or consume alcoholic beverages.
Click here for official rules


5 for 5 Tuesdays 5 For 5 Tuesdays
February 17, 24
March 3, 10
11:00 AM - 7:00 PM


Empire Club Members earn 5 Empire Points on Tuesdays to receive $5 free play.
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Deck007
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February 14th, 2015 at 8:56:25 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Resorts World only has photos on higher level cards. The new member cards which are red have no photos.

Thinking that the casino "earns" $1.40 or $2.78 on every spin is based on theoretical return. IF two players each make one bet and lose only one dollar, then receive ten dollars in free-play, trust me that is an advantage. Especially if you repeat it ad infinitum with dozens of cards.

The suits at Resorts World and Empire clamped down on you and your wife BECAUSE of the hustling war. Trust me, there were hundreds of thousands of dollars lost to the hustlers from the point special.

I do differ with your analysis that the surveillance is very good at Resorts. They were sloppy and not on the ball for almost a year and a half. I, myself, was a card flipper at one time with 14 player's cards and they didn't catch me for almost two years.




Thinking that the casino "earns" $1.40 or $2.78 on every spin is based on theoretical return. IF two players each make one bet and lose only one dollar, then receive ten dollars in free-play, trust me that is an advantage......... IPPOSIBLE

Resort is never that generous and they would actually lose money like this.
darkoz
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February 14th, 2015 at 9:07:39 PM permalink
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Thinking that the casino "earns" $1.40 or $2.78 on every spin is based on theoretical return. IF two players each make one bet and lose only one dollar, then receive ten dollars in free-play, trust me that is an advantage......... IPPOSIBLE

Resort is never that generous and they would actually lose money like this.



ARE YOU KIDDING ME.

Here is the link to their current offer. 50 points for $25 dollars in freeplay.

Betting opposite someone at the Craps table, I could earn $50 free-play for five bucks. For just five bucks, minus any single outcome wagers (so perhaps ten bucks at most) I would do a thousand dollars in wagers including the max odds.

Trust me, earning 50 points is easy.

http://www.rwnewyork.com/images/Early_Bird_February_2015_Rule.pdf

If you can't see it, I can't break it down any more than I have. BUT MOST DEFINITELY NOT IMPOSSIBLE. The card flippers were laughing their way to the bank.
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Deck007
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February 14th, 2015 at 9:09:59 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Here are the current Empire specials.

And the link: http://www.empirecitycasino.com/Promotions/#Great8s

Great 8s
February 16, 23
March 2, 9, 16


Empire Club Members earn 8 Empire Points playing any slot machine to receive $8 Free Play. Plus receive 8x points on Baccarat games and enjoy specially priced food and beverages!
$8 drink specials in the Entertainment Lounge
$8 frozen cocktails at Dan Rooney's
$8 food specials in the Food Court

One Free Play offer per Empire Club Member per promotional day. Must be 21 years of age or older to purchase or consume alcoholic beverages.
Click here for official rules


5 for 5 Tuesdays 5 For 5 Tuesdays
February 17, 24
March 3, 10
11:00 AM - 7:00 PM


Empire Club Members earn 5 Empire Points on Tuesdays to receive $5 free play.



Free play for slot is very common in the US or elsewhere.
Deck007
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February 14th, 2015 at 9:18:32 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

ARE YOU KIDDING ME.

Here is the link to their current offer. 50 points for $25 dollars in freeplay.

Betting opposite someone at the Craps table, I could earn $50 free-play for five bucks. For just five bucks, minus any single outcome wagers (so perhaps ten bucks at most) I would do a thousand dollars in wagers including the max odds.

Trust me, earning 50 points is easy.

http://www.rwnewyork.com/images/Early_Bird_February_2015_Rule.pdf

If you can't see it, I can't break it down any more than I have. BUT MOST DEFINITELY NOT IMPOSSIBLE. The card flippers were laughing their way to the bank.



Ah! 50 points for $25 dollars in freeplay. Good Luck. It is not for me.
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February 14th, 2015 at 9:20:37 PM permalink
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I do differ with your analysis that the surveillance is very good at Resorts. They were sloppy and not on the ball for almost a year and a half. I, myself, was a card flipper at one time with 14 player's cards and they didn't catch me for almost two years.



So what happened? Did you get arrested and spend time in jail?
darkoz
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February 14th, 2015 at 9:23:13 PM permalink
Quote: Deck007

Ah! 50 points for $25 dollars in freeplay. Good Luck. It is not for me.



Interesting why you would not be interested in an easy AP maneuver. Even just you and your wife could get fifty in free play for a few dollars and they couldn't say anything.

Those players doing multiple cards were really taking them.

When I was doing it, I was making about $200 bucks a day (only staying there for about 90 minutes each day). Like I said, I had about 14 cards. It depended on the specials.
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tringlomane
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February 14th, 2015 at 9:41:06 PM permalink
Good story about how stupid marketing/casino math teams get punished.
Deck007
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February 14th, 2015 at 10:07:52 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Interesting why you would not be interested in an easy AP maneuver. Even just you and your wife could get fifty in free play for a few dollars and they couldn't say anything.

Those players doing multiple cards were really taking them.

When I was doing it, I was making about $200 bucks a day (only staying there for about 90 minutes each day). Like I said, I had about 14 cards. It depended on the specials.



Look this subject should be discuss as a Comp matter. If Resort let you get away with it, it is because they decide to let you get away with it.

There are casinos all over the US where you sign up and play some slots and you get invited for free stay and free slot play. It is known in the business as loss-leader. Then there is the match play coupon and $0.99 steak dinner. This subject is and has been discussed everywhere in the US

Resort did not become a $20B enterprise just by luck. And their Aqueduct Racino did not become number 1 by spending money foolishly.

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