local casino new bacc rules question: no commission
Sounds interesting if True. What am I missing?Quote: amateuradvplyrTwo of my local casinos now allow players to bet on the house hand in mini baccarat at a minimum of five dollars. They no longer charge a commission on the winning hand of those who bet on the house hand and win. It seems that gives those who choose not to take advantage of the side bets to actually have a positive return. So I was wondering if it is worth playing in this situation and if so what should my starting bankroll be to make it worth my time? Is it worth it going in with twenty or forty dollars and hope for the casino to win at least half the time plus some over time until I get the bankroll I need to start making money?
Yeah, I don't buy this. IBYA probably has it right -- it's probably either EZ or some other no-commission variant where they just don't pay you on some of your wins.
Quote: AcesAndEightsWalk, don't run!
I am taking twenty dollars.
Quote: amateuradvplyrI am taking twenty dollars.
I would bring a few more :)
I actually meant the opposite (edited my post). If the rules are as you say, there is a player advantage on the Banker bet. But as has been mentioned, likely it is EZ Bac where you push a certain hand to make up for the commission.
Quote: amateuradvplyrIt is definitely mini baccarat. As far as I know they make thrir money on the optional dragon bet. I am going to go right now and verify all rules and information. I will respond when I have all the information.
No need to respond. Just bet.
You edge, betting on banker, and getting paid 1:1 is 1.3%. Variance is low. Just bet 1% of your bankroll at all times. Eventually they either kick you out or you own the casino. Bring a book to read or something; this is boring as all hell.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceNo need to respond. Just bet.
You edge, betting on banker, and getting paid 1:1 is 1.3%. Variance is low. Just bet 1% of your bankroll at all times. Eventually they either kick you out or you own the casino. Bring a book to read or something; this is boring as all hell.
Thanks for this information. I am allowed to bring a book without getting in trouble?
If it's true, the APs will find it and burn it out in a matter of hours.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIt won't last long. Hit it while you can. Eventually they will probably start charging commission for people who don't bet the side bet.
This is how it works for Pai Gow Poker around here. Although, the house still has an edge on the main PGP bet even without commission. Which is definitely not true for the banker bet in Baccarat!
Zero commission without some other rule change is a GIFT to the players but it may take some time for the casino to realize this.
Post your results but otherwise don't take time to post. PLAY
Quote: FleaStiffIF it is as you say,,, PLAY IT until they wise up.
Zero commission without some other rule change is a GIFT to the players but it may take some time for the casino to realize this.
Post your results but otherwise don't take time to post. PLAY
I would also suggest:
1. Be extremely nice and polite to everyone. You know how the customer is always right? In this case, they are your customer.
2. Tip back some of your EV. You know how casinos comp big players? Same thing. If I was playing and betting $1000 per hand, my EV would be $13/hand. I'd be looking to tip back about $2/hand to the dealers (probably in the form of $100 tokes once a shoe or so) and maybe give the casino back another $2/hand in EV with some bonus bets. It might take them that much longer to figure out that you actually have an edge if you are making sucker side bets too.
EDIT: whoops, forgot about ties. Closer to $12/hand (a little less actually). This still holds true though.
Quote: AxiomOfChoicemaybe give the casino back another $2/hand in EV with some bonus bets. It might take them that much longer to figure out that you actually have an edge if you are making sucker side bets too.
Isn't there a count for Dragon7/Panda8s? Might as well cover yourself and 'return' a few when things are marginally more favorable too. (Assuming that it isn't some other kind of dragon bet.)
the worst feeling was walking over to roulette and losing it all
That's what happens when you play roulette. Bad game under normal conditions. A few bucks here and there, spur of the moment, to kill a few minutes is fine, but going to the casinos to play roulette is bad.Quote: richbailey86the best feeling was 3 weeks ago when i followed the other players and hit dragon 3 times
the worst feeling was walking over to roulette and losing it all
Quote: richbailey86I had luck at resorts world rapid roulette and won a few times so I got cocky In AC.
Yeah, that's how they keep people coming back. If people lost every time they would stay home.
Quote: amateuradvplyrTwo of my local casinos now allow players to bet on the house hand in mini baccarat at a minimum of five dollars. They no longer charge a commission on the winning hand of those who bet on the house hand and win. It seems that gives those who choose not to take advantage of the side bets to actually have a positive return. So I was wondering if it is worth playing in this situation and if so what should my starting bankroll be to make it worth my time? Is it worth it going in with twenty or forty dollars and hope for the casino to win at least half the time plus some over time until I get the bankroll I need to start making money?
I think this is a false start.
Where I play the casinos have converted to EZ baccarat. The player HE is the same at 1.24%. Banker pays 1/2 on banker win on 6. Banker HE now 1.46 instead of 1.26% for commission Bac . But the House make a lot more money because they can play the game much faster.
The OP didn't even know what the banker hand was called. He thought it was called a "house hand." I'm pretty sure OP is also not familiar with the banker getting paid less to 1:1 on a certain hand.
Second, for the doubters, I never played mini baccarat because it is an automatic game and I never considered it until when my friend told me this information on a possible rules change. I went through bj21 courses, hence I brought up percentage of bank roll. I did have a reason why I included amateur advantage player in my handle. I haven't posted before, because I had nothing to report. When I thought I had something, I did. My other friend and I are small business owners in the financial and real estate market. We understand investments. We have a small bankroll and are wise enough to look for the advantage. My casino friend is loyal but I still learn a lot about the inner workings of a casino.
I didn't doubt you thought you found something. I didn't think you were trolling or faults reporting.Quote: amateuradvplyr
I haven't posted before, because I had nothing to report. When I thought I had something, I did.\.
Reporting things as soon as you hear about them IS an amateur move. Especially if this were to be true. This is the type of thing, one should silently do research on, in case it was true. No way this would last once it was reported publicly. Just leaving out the name of the casino, probably wouldn't be enough. Not only would well funded AP's kill it. Imagine the calling card dark-side casino consultants could leave after telling them this was a terrible idea.
On top of that, a casino employee could be reading this.
Quote: AxelWolfIf it is as they say PM me and you will have more then $20 to bring next time. Whats the max bet you can bet? DON'T POST THE NAME OF THE CASINO for all to see or this will be gone sooner then a Rolex at a hookers convention.
Can you at least post the name and location of the convention please?
What one? There is a post about a guy with missing Rolex, hotel room at the Wynn, hooker/massage therapist. You can probably search for it. Its very funny, if not true and reported, I would think it was made up.Quote: JoePloppyCan you at least post the name and location of the convention please?
Quote: AcesAndEightsI'm calling BS on this. I have no proof other than "too good to be true" and also this poster's handle. Casinos can't be this dumb, can they? I suppose it could be for a promotional period, with a $25 max or something (like many 2-to-1 BJ promotions over the years).
If it's true, the APs will find it and burn it out in a matter of hours.
When I started AP I thought the same, casinos can't be this dump.
BUT, I have seen this dumb twice.
Once was a new carnival game that a small casino (outside US) introduced and made a mistake in applying the rules which meant for a small positive EV for the player. I saw the rule difference but it was not clear without doing the math that this was +Ev. But the time I did the math and went back in 1 week, they found the mistake and changed the rules the previous day. The mistake lasted 2 weeks from what I found.
The other was a sidebet introduced on BJ game with an obvious mistake. The mistake was as obvious as changing the odds in roulette to 40:1.
I hammered the game for a few days, then I had to leave (that was overseas for me). I knew this would not last and they would eventually find the mistake but I could not go back because of other priorities. I told a friend who went there and hammered the game and eventually after about a week they figured the mistake and changed the rule.
And I have seen less 'dump' a lot more often.
