Md approves table games
November 6th, 2012 at 9:22:26 PM
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November 7th, 2012 at 12:46:10 AM
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52% of Md voters approve.
it'll be like 3yrs till the new casino opens.
but i wonder how long till the existing casinos offer live dealers and real table games?
it'll be like 3yrs till the new casino opens.
but i wonder how long till the existing casinos offer live dealers and real table games?
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
November 7th, 2012 at 12:52:07 AM
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Looks like players will be able to gamble and get gay-married all at once in MD now!
Can't light up a joint yet though
Can't light up a joint yet though
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder
November 7th, 2012 at 2:53:20 AM
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I doubt marriage (of any sort) is truly a major draw for casinos.
I don't see what pot smoking has to do with any casino... federal law still makes it taboo and casinos are paranoid about their license so what do think is ever going to happen if you start puffing away at a table or try to place an ounce of weed in the circle at the blackjack table?
The games will take off, partly on taxing structure reasons and partly on "casino vibes" reasons... players want table games to exist, even if they themselves only play slots.
Sports betting? It may be important to many but I doubt it really determines destinations all that much. Time and distance and Comps are major determinants. Sports books are a "plus" for some, same as poker rooms.
I don't see what pot smoking has to do with any casino... federal law still makes it taboo and casinos are paranoid about their license so what do think is ever going to happen if you start puffing away at a table or try to place an ounce of weed in the circle at the blackjack table?
The games will take off, partly on taxing structure reasons and partly on "casino vibes" reasons... players want table games to exist, even if they themselves only play slots.
Sports betting? It may be important to many but I doubt it really determines destinations all that much. Time and distance and Comps are major determinants. Sports books are a "plus" for some, same as poker rooms.
November 7th, 2012 at 5:36:24 AM
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I live in MD, and for those unfamilar it was quite a contentious ballot issue(reasons too numerous to list here). The three exsisting casinos in MD could have table games up and running by next summer...according to local radio and TV reports. The two casinos currently planned(a Harrahs in downtown Baltimore, and a MGM property in National Harbor just outside DC) but not constructed yet, will open in about 2 years. Summer 2014 is what I'm hearing.
November 7th, 2012 at 6:52:23 AM
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Quote: vendman1I live in MD, and for those unfamilar it was quite a contentious ballot issue(reasons too numerous to list here). The three exsisting casinos in MD could have table games up and running by next summer...according to local radio and TV reports. The two casinos currently planned(a Harrahs in downtown Baltimore, and a MGM property in National Harbor just outside DC) but not constructed yet, will open in about 2 years. Summer 2014 is what I'm hearing.
And I will visit my brother in MD more often, yet my nephew and nieces won't see me much :)
November 7th, 2012 at 1:56:05 PM
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Quote: vendman1I live in MD, and for those unfamilar it was quite a contentious ballot issue(reasons too numerous to list here). The three exsisting casinos in MD could have table games up and running by next summer...according to local radio and TV reports.
I also live in MD, and I'd guess, based on PA, DE, and WV rollouts, if all goes to plan, they'll be ready by Memorial Day at the latest, and maybe by Easter if things go well. According to news reports today, Penn National is going to sue to stop the passage of Question 7 on the technical definition of "qualified voter". They're claiming that for Question 7 to pass, the number of YES votes must be a majority of all registered MD voters, not a majority of the voters who turned out, since "a majority of qualified voters" must pass any gaming expansion.
IMHO, Risky move on Penn National's part, even though a PG casino threatens the core of their empire. I doubt any MD judge will halt table games from being rolled out over this, and I doubt it'll hold up in court if it goes all the way to the MD Court of Appeals. Furthermore, this move goes way beyond gaming...it's an attempt to overturn the will of voters via lawsuit, and they're going to find a lot more opponents to that than they found proponents to Question 7.
November 7th, 2012 at 2:12:10 PM
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silversonic2006: Yeah I'm hearing summer 2013 for table games rollout in exsisting casinos, so a Memorial Day weekend rollout seems highly probable. Interesting you bring up the possibility of a Penn National lawsuit. I have somewhat of an inside source there, who says that they are considering a "legal challenge" but they see the odds of winning said challenge as near zero so they may not bother.
November 7th, 2012 at 2:29:13 PM
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As to the rollout date of tables, I'm totally guessing, but I think PA approved in Feburary and had games going by July 4th, and DE approved in January and had games open by Memorial Day, so Memorial Day seems reasonable, giving MD over 6 months to set everything up. I'll be interested to see if MD follows PA in codifying the specific game rules in law (ie. mandating S17 blackjack).
I only know what I read on the news about the Penn National challenge. One online news source said though, that the longer Penn draws this out, the more it may anger investors, so that might also contribute to them just letting it be. Even with a PG casino, Charles Town is not doomed...Philly has 3 casinos (4 if you count DE Park as a quasi-Philly area casino), and they all survive just fine.
I only know what I read on the news about the Penn National challenge. One online news source said though, that the longer Penn draws this out, the more it may anger investors, so that might also contribute to them just letting it be. Even with a PG casino, Charles Town is not doomed...Philly has 3 casinos (4 if you count DE Park as a quasi-Philly area casino), and they all survive just fine.
November 7th, 2012 at 5:35:39 PM
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I am a native Baltimoron old enough to remember when Pimlico race track ruled in gambling and the legislature. When that casino in Baltimore opens, I would not be surprised to see the Preakness sold and the track closed.
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
November 8th, 2012 at 3:01:37 AM
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West Virginia casino interests to sue in Maryland to invalidate Maryland voter initiative relating to Table Games.
Majority of registered voters versus majority of votes cast on the initiative?
Daily Mail link here.
Majority of registered voters versus majority of votes cast on the initiative?
Daily Mail link here.
November 8th, 2012 at 4:42:53 AM
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Just an fyi since I didn't know the geography before I lived here, Prince George's county is one of the two Maryland counties that borders DC and a bridge connects it to Northern Virginia. So we are basically talking about a casino for DC. Even with MD's confiscatory gambling tax, that's going to be a shitton of money.
Its - Possessive; It's - "It is" / "It has"; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They're - "They are"
November 8th, 2012 at 12:41:48 PM
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Quote: ahiromuJust an fyi since I didn't know the geography before I lived here, Prince George's county is one of the two Maryland counties that borders DC and a bridge connects it to Northern Virginia. So we are basically talking about a casino for DC. Even with MD's confiscatory gambling tax, that's going to be a shitton of money.
the problem is that it's in Prince George's county. i have no faith in prince georges county.
i predict problems + scandals on the way to building the casino, actually building the casino, and on first few opening days.
but since it's regulated by the state, i have confidence in the games.
Craps is paradise (Pair of dice).
Lets hear it for the SpeedCount Mathletes :)
November 8th, 2012 at 12:47:42 PM
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Quote: BuzzardI am a native Baltimoron old enough to remember when Pimlico race track ruled in gambling and the legislature. When that casino in Baltimore opens, I would not be surprised to see the Preakness sold and the track closed.
Buzz,
As a current Baltimoron I'm sure you are correct. The woeful state of the horse industry in MD is shocking. Mostly due to corrupt politicians who for some reason thought horse tracks were a bad place for slot machines (yeah no gamblers there...duh) while slots saved horse racing in nearby DE and WV. Basically Pimlico makes money one or two days a year Preakness and the Maryland Million. The rest of the time it's a ghost town. Sad.
November 8th, 2012 at 12:57:25 PM
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Hey, I used to collect for a guy who took his bets at a booth in the drug store at Park Heights and Rogers Avenue, Sad for the fans, but Pimlico race track owners have always sucked. Had to be sued in the 70's to spend several million from breakage to be used for track improvements. So they bought some houses, tore them down , and built parking lots.
I remember in the 1980's they added a drive-up betting window. It opened Monday and closed Thursday, not even a week. Their open the gates and let the suckers in attitude has caught up with them. . A great game is dying a slow death. I am old enough to have bet at Timonium, Hagerstown, Belair, and Havre-de-Gras half mile tracks. Damn, I am getting depressed . LOL
I remember in the 1980's they added a drive-up betting window. It opened Monday and closed Thursday, not even a week. Their open the gates and let the suckers in attitude has caught up with them. . A great game is dying a slow death. I am old enough to have bet at Timonium, Hagerstown, Belair, and Havre-de-Gras half mile tracks. Damn, I am getting depressed . LOL
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
November 8th, 2012 at 1:59:00 PM
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I'm curious what the minimums will be like. Obviously they will need heavy security and find a way to make up the profit left over after taxation. With the amount of money coming from the nearby areas, especially Northern Virginia, I wonder if they could sustain $25 minimums even on the weekdays.
Edit: Weekday evenings
Edit: Weekday evenings
Its - Possessive; It's - "It is" / "It has"; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They're - "They are"
November 8th, 2012 at 2:52:11 PM
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I know when Charlestown opened it was $50 minimums on weekends and $25 the rest of the time. Even now a $10 or $15 table is fairly rare. I'm sure the minimums will be high at first while everything is new and exciting. I'm more curious what the rules will be, PA for example has S17 etc etc as a state mandate. Don't know if MD will mandate rules or leave it up to the various casino operators.
November 8th, 2012 at 4:35:39 PM
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The MD Lottery said the rules should be in place around New Year's. If the MD Live e-tables are any indication, I'd expect 3-4-5X odds at craps and 3:2 H17 blackjack. I'd expect $25 mins across the board at the opening, and nothing below $15 in the long term, judging by how PA and DE have run their games.
According to MD Live, they will have 100+ live tables when they debut, and are already doing all the legwork they can prior to the rules being formally laid down.
According to MD Live, they will have 100+ live tables when they debut, and are already doing all the legwork they can prior to the rules being formally laid down.
November 14th, 2012 at 3:23:47 AM
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Maryland live will have 120 or 125 tables. I heard it on the news, didn't catch an estimated opening time. Also I believe me lowered machine.tax.to 60% and tables will be 20%, thus the tables push.
Its - Possessive; It's - "It is" / "It has"; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They're - "They are"
November 14th, 2012 at 5:12:58 AM
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Correct about the tax rate on MD casino profits...the machine tax is much higher (though lower than it was), than the table game tax rate. So I expect them to push tables hard at all MD casinos.
November 14th, 2012 at 6:32:13 AM
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Quote: vendman1Correct about the tax rate on MD casino profits...the machine tax is much higher (though lower than it was), than the table game tax rate. So I expect them to push tables hard at all MD casinos.
Open the doors and let the BaltiMORONS in. LOL
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
November 14th, 2012 at 4:04:37 PM
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The news I saw today said dealer school will be 12 weeks, so if they start Jan 7, per their website, and dealer training is the limiting factor, they'd be ready to go right around the end of March. I wonder if dealers who were certified in other states (Marylanders who were dealing in PA/DE/WV) would have to go through the whole thing, or if they can be fast-tracked. If they get enough of those, they might be able to open even sooner. They also said no poker at the outset, but I'm not surprised. I've never worked in a casino, but I would guess blackjack and roulette are the easiest to deal, followed by baccarat (I'd guess that's mostly memorization and being fast at tallying commissions), the carnival games, and then craps being the toughest. I could also see poker being challenging, but I could be wrong.Quote: ahiromuMaryland live will have 120 or 125 tables. I heard it on the news, didn't catch an estimated opening time. Also I believe me lowered machine.tax.to 60% and tables will be 20%, thus the tables push.
November 14th, 2012 at 4:34:18 PM
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If Paigowdan reads this I'm sure he could enlighten us on which table games are the most challenging to deal. I know some other forum members are dealers as well. I'm sure you are right that BJ and roulette are easiest and craps is definitely the hardest, though some roulette payouts can get hard to do in your head I'd imagine.
November 14th, 2012 at 4:43:41 PM
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I've never been a dealer, but I don't know that you can just lump all carnival games into one category, it seems that LiR would be very easy to deal.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
November 14th, 2012 at 4:51:09 PM
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Easy to deal and easy to deal correctly are different things. Also even Floor Personnel tend to not be fully conversant with some carnival games because they are looked down upon.
Dice takes the longest to learn and is the most challenging on a day to day basis.
Roulette takes more alertness than many people think to deal well.
Anyone wonder if the litigation backed by West Virginia will delay the table games in Maryland? The assertion is that Question Seven required a majority of the registered voters rather than a majority of the votes cast.
Dice takes the longest to learn and is the most challenging on a day to day basis.
Roulette takes more alertness than many people think to deal well.
Anyone wonder if the litigation backed by West Virginia will delay the table games in Maryland? The assertion is that Question Seven required a majority of the registered voters rather than a majority of the votes cast.
November 14th, 2012 at 5:12:31 PM
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Poker Room is often dificult as Dealer, but not to deal as mentioned above. Etiquette/Law/House Rules are quite difficult, and it takes quite a bit to keep track of wagers and pot(s). I'd say Omaha H/L is very difficult.
Some people need to reimagine their thinking.
November 14th, 2012 at 5:15:16 PM
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Roulette is easiest to deal?
No way.
Have to watch the entire table and players and calculate and pay multiple bets
In increments of 1:1, 2:1, 4:1 5:1, 6:1, 8:1, 17:1, 35:1...
No way.
Have to watch the entire table and players and calculate and pay multiple bets
In increments of 1:1, 2:1, 4:1 5:1, 6:1, 8:1, 17:1, 35:1...
In a bet, there is a fool and a thief.
- Proverb.
November 14th, 2012 at 5:49:51 PM
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It is not just about "dealing", game protection is one of the hardest things to teach a "rookie".
Most people play these games and think "I can do that", then when they go to class all you hear is "I had no idea how much there is to do".
The 12 week training plan is normal for a new joint.
Craps, is by far the toughest to learn.
Most people play these games and think "I can do that", then when they go to class all you hear is "I had no idea how much there is to do".
The 12 week training plan is normal for a new joint.
Craps, is by far the toughest to learn.
"Does the sign outside still say Casino?...okay then"
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:39:27 AM
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Paraphrasing radio ad: "After the free 12 week training course, you'll get to interview for the job."
Is this how it's usually done? I was surprised that they'd spend the money to train some people then cut them afterward.
Is this how it's usually done? I was surprised that they'd spend the money to train some people then cut them afterward.
Its - Possessive; It's - "It is" / "It has"; There - Location; Their - Possessive; They're - "They are"
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:45:22 AM
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They probably cut them during the course as well.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:08:04 AM
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The hardest part about roulette dealing is pushing the chips. I want anyone who disagrees to try pushing up to 180 chips at a time in one motion with one hand.
