My statement was only that yours was wrong. And yours was wrong, because it was a blanket statement. So, my statement was 100% correct. As for yours, there's no such thing as "more correct than incorrect", because it's a binary: The way you stated it, it's either true or it's not, and it's definitely not. As for my competence in this matter, I did go to the final round in the state debate championships, but really, what I'm trying to explain is obvious to everyone.Quote: tuttigym
Or you could admit that your statement was not flat out 100% correct. The body holds some and doesn't hold others. Your blanket statement was incorrect, or at best -partially correct....My statement was more correct than incorrect, 4 vitamins vs all the rest plus the huge number of supplements taken and/or available.
Well, almost everyone. It would reflect better on you if you were able to admit your error.
And that's also dead wrong, and in multiple ways. First of all I cited more than four vitamins, I cited four *classes* of vitamins. (e.g, K1, K2)Quote: tuttigym
My statement was more correct than incorrect, 4 vitamins vs all the rest plus the huge number of supplements....
Second, the four vitamin classes I cited was simply to disprove your incorrect blanket statement that "your body does NOT store excess vitamins or supplements". But in fact, there are OTHER vitamin/minerals that are stored by the body, it's not limited to those four classes.
So, by saying "4 vitamins vs all the rest plus the huge number of supplements", you're wrong again. Will you admit it this time?
So I have no idea the length of time that I have taken only 50% of the dosage. This seems very fraudulent advertising to me, as well as illegal. Any Opinions?
I am curious about what damages could be claimed from this deception.
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MichaelBluejay, please stop using personal and argumentative language directed at tuttigym. He is suspended 3 days and not here to defend himself. You may resume addressing him after his suspension is over.link to original post
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I was content to wait for the reply, but if you prefer, you can delete my posts and I can repost them after his suspension ends.
I don't think trying to unring the bell would be an improvement.
That said, if it were up to me, I would take almost no vitamins. My doctor said I'm low on vitamin D. I probably should take a vitamin for that, but I seldom remember. I'm out in the sun a lot this time of year, but probably should take it seriously when the days get shorter.
Getting to my point, Mrs Wizard is big on vitamins. She sometimes puts about several for me to take. I've noticed after I do, my urine is very dark yellow. I assume the vitamins are just passing through me. I guess my question is do people who are in good health need to be on a course of several daily vitamins?
It you're 20-29 you might not be deficient. The reference range on the vitamin D tests is controversial. It lists <30 as deficient, however:Quote: Wizard
My doctor said I'm low on vitamin D.
* In 2010 the Institute of Medicine reviewed 1000 studies on 25 health outcomes and put the deficiency figure at <20.
* A Denmark study showed the lower risk of dying was for people who had 20-24.
* The position statement of various UK health organizations is 25+.
And there's some evidence for 30+, as well. There's just not consensus that <30 is deficient. The labs had to put *something* on the reference range, so they chose 30 for some reason.
There's definitely consensus that <20 is deficient, though, so if you're below that, I'd supplement.
You're not seeing the portion that might have been absorbed.Quote:
I've noticed after I do, my urine is very dark yellow. I assume the vitamins are just passing through me.
You ask about "vitamins" but there are lots of supplements besides vitamins and even minerals that have been shown to be beneficial (e.g., DHA).Quote:
I guess my question is do people who are in good health need to be on a course of several daily vitamins?
In any event, at least one study showed that the typical person is deficient in seven vitamins and minerals. They can't all easily be tested, sometimes they determine inadequate intake by tabulating food diaries.
There's definitely a risk of taking too much with most supplements. ConsumerLab lists the UTL (upper tolerable limit) when one has been established. I make sure for whatever I'm taking I'm well below UTL, especially once I consider what I'm getting from food.
My dailies are:
• C (general health)
• K2 (bones, arteries)
• calcium citrate powder (GERD)
• magnesium (heart health; deficiency common)
• enzymes (ulcerative colitis)
• DHA (deficiency common)
• Aged Garlic Extract (elevated triglycerides)
• Chance Piedra, Quercetin, Tart Cherry Extract (gout)
In addition, 1-3x/week I take
• B12 (over 50, deficiency common, vegan)
• D, Iron, Zinc, Small multivitamin (general health)