racquet
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September 16th, 2020 at 11:35:53 AM permalink
I've always felt that only in hockey is there a need to be in-person at the event. Otherwise you get a better viewing experience from home, with the advent of inexpensive cameras to record the action in real time, along with improvements in slow motion and replay.

In fact, in front of a television screen you actually get a BETTER appreciation for the game, with constant instant replay, multiple angles and analysis that you lose when sitting in a seat at the stadium. Factor in travel time and the expense of a ticket along with parking and the outrageous cost of food...

...it's just not worth it.

Not to mention the expense of upkeep, debt service, security details, traffic control, and on and on, often the responsibility of a state or municipal government (i.e. taxpayers). Often a new stadium comes into being because of the team owner's ability to blackmail said government, and the political hacks involved only interested in scoring luxury box seating for themselves, their relatives and friends.

All that being said, a brand new stadium is being inaugurated... with no fans in the seats. Will fans ever be allowed back as they were in the past? Cheek-by-cheek, tailgating in the parking lot, jammed onto highways and trekking into the place like pilgrims on a haj?

My enjoyment of NHL, NBA and NFL games suffer not a bit form no fans in stadiums that I would never visit. I watched the NFL this weekend just like I have been watching most of my life - with a clicker, a refrigerator, a microwave oven and a single-use restroom within a few feet. Piped-in crown noise along with blurry images of supposed live bodies in the stands no different, from my perspective, than any other time in the past.

Robert Kraft loses money on ticket and game-day sales, on-site. But so much of the money of his sport is based on things that have absolutely nothing to do with the fact that his team plays in a very expensive patch of imported turf, if all of the rest of his income were assured, with a matching support of fans who buy licensed merchandise from his team, I wonder if the actual cost of the physical stadium is at best a wash?

What's the capacity of the new Las Vegas stadum? Anybody want to bet whether or not it's ever, even once in the future, sold out?
billryan
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September 16th, 2020 at 11:52:20 AM permalink
When things return to normal, I expect the Vegas stadium will sell out for big games. I can't imagine a Raider playoff game not selling out. I also envision a Wrestlemania type event, and possibly even a few concerts.
I can't enjoy sports nearly as much without a crowd. For example- I went down to my clubhouse on Sunday and watched the Vikings-Packers game. There were two people there playing pool but no one was paying any attention to the game. For Monday nights Giants game, there were enough people that we showed it on two screens to keep the social distance thing going. The giant game was more enjoyable even though my team got killed.
Wierd digression- One of the sets was a fraction of a second slower than the other.
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September 16th, 2020 at 11:59:12 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

I can't imagine a Raider playoff game not selling out.



I can't imagine a Raider playoff game:-)
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ThatDonGuy
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September 16th, 2020 at 12:04:36 PM permalink
Quote: racquet

What's the capacity of the new Las Vegas stadum? Anybody want to bet whether or not it's ever, even once in the future, sold out?


The "official" capacity is 65,000, and I expect it to be sold out at least once every eight years - say what you want about the Cowboys, but they bring in the crowd. In Oakland's weaker days, I think it had three sellouts - the Cowboys, the 49ers, and the game where it was rumored (correctly) that it would be Jerry Rice's last home game as a Raider.
I also expect quite a few games against the Rams or Chargers, and maybe the Cardinals as well, to sell out, as the visiting team's fans can drive to the stadium.

As for attending games, I am the same way as you - I enjoy it much better with people who have some idea what they are doing explaning things as they happen. However, for some people, nothing beats the "being there in person" experience - especially with younger kids in tow.
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September 16th, 2020 at 12:08:43 PM permalink
Iím Canadian so we love hockey but in person NHL is much better than on tv. There is no bad seat in the arena and the game is so much faster live. Itís a totally different experience. NFL is cool live but I think itís a better experience on tv. Baseball is great both live and on tv and NBA is better live imo.
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billryan
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September 16th, 2020 at 12:16:59 PM permalink
At the old Yankee Stadium, there was something almost spiritual when 55,000plus fans rose in unison in anticipation of a big moment.
The only thing that's come close is the group energy at the climax of a Grateful Dead show. I've been to hundreds of NFL games over the last fifty years, including NFC Championship games and I've never felt that same energy.
SOOPOO
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September 16th, 2020 at 12:29:43 PM permalink
Went to hundreds of Mets games as a kid. A few Knicks games. A few Nets games. Many Islanders games, including their playoff games in their first Stanley Cup Championship. Bills season ticket holder during Super Bowl years and next two decades after. Sabres season ticket holder until last few years. Been to a few PGA tour golf tournaments. Plus some local NCAA Basketball games.

The energy in the stadium for a home Bills game is worth the price of admission. The view from the stands of a hockey game is so much better than what you see on TV.

Baseball is so naturally boring for 150ish of the 162 games, that the excitement of the few good Red Sox-Yankees games is drowned out by the mid May Padres-Brewers game......

Basketball is somewhere between hockey and baseball.

Bottom line..... if they let fans back they will come.... Las Vegas Raiders will sell out ALL home games next year if there are no restrictions by then.
DRich
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September 16th, 2020 at 12:37:02 PM permalink
Quote: racquet


What's the capacity of the new Las Vegas stadum? Anybody want to bet whether or not it's ever, even once in the future, sold out?



I will take that bet for the maximum you can afford. I bet that the stadium will sell out at least once.
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billryan
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September 16th, 2020 at 12:42:43 PM permalink
When the Yankees were really bad in the late 1980s, my friends Dad gave us his corporate box seats for the opener. It wasn't sold out but it was pretty packed and the energy was great. The guy in the box next to us offered us tickets for game two at half price so we bought them. Opening Day was a Monday day game, and game two was two days later. Really great weather for April in NYC but only about 15,000 showed up and the crowd around us was particularly sparse. The contrast between the two games was amazing.
AZDuffman
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September 16th, 2020 at 1:23:25 PM permalink
I have graduated from caring about sports but some observations from when I did.

As to hockey, that one is really better in person and not nearly as good on TV. Football you get more of the game seeing it in person as long as you know an understand the game. It is why scouts actually go to the game and do not watch it on TV.

There is an energy in being with the crowd. For this reason people go to bars to watch big games. The sports book at my local casino has enough energy during the biggest games they could power the casino if they could hook up a generator to it.

Players play better with a crowd. Even a hostile crowd. In I think it was the Memphis Oilers were not getting 20,000 a game until the Steelers fans filled the place. It was a de facto Steeler home crowd. Even the Oilers said they did better with the energy in the stadium.

Stadiums are not going away because "there is no use for them." They might be past their peak size as more fans do decide to stay home because of the crazy high cost. We do have an issue of people hanging in the luxury areas dimly aware the game is going on. But no, we are not going to have Studio Football anytime soon.
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