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January 27th, 2020 at 12:10:28 AM permalink
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I’m 100% with you. I pass on choppers and single engines like a plague.


Now that I'm reading more...this helicopter apparently was a dual engine model. I'm not sure if both engines needed to be running to fly it or if one failed the copter could still fly safely on one engine.

LAPD is now reporting that their own air units were grounded that morning due to low and no visibility. I'm not sure how the weather factor will play into this but I would assume this copter had top of the line radar and navigation systems to fly safely in just about any weather.

The fact that this copter slammed into the ground tells me more went wrong beyond visibility/weather issues...I have to assume mechanical issues were the main culprit. As far as sports figures dying in air crashes....this one is way up there in terms of outpouring of grief.

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January 27th, 2020 at 2:18:03 AM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

Now that I'm reading more...this helicopter apparently was a dual engine model. I'm not sure if both engines needed to be running to fly it or if one failed the copter could still fly safely on one engine.

LAPD is now reporting that their own air units were grounded that morning due to low and no visibility. I'm not sure how the weather factor will play into this but I would assume this copter had top of the line radar and navigation systems to fly safely in just about any weather.

The fact that this copter slammed into the ground tells me more went wrong beyond visibility/weather issues...I have to assume mechanical issues were the main culprit. As far as sports figures dying in air crashes....this one is way up there in terms of outpouring of grief.

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I doubt they had time to be terrified. If that eases anyone's mind.

It looks like they were trying to canyon-run in low visibility with ground fog and the pilot got into instrument meteorological conditions, got disoriented, and thought he was flying straight, but was making a right turn instead, and slammed into the quite steep hillside at full speed.

They probably had less than 5 seconds, likely much less, to realize they were dead. Probably the girls were facing backwards in the cabin and never knew.

But that's all speculation until they do an investigation.

If it was mechanical, they should have been able to manage it with emergency procedures, at least to the point of a survivable crash. They weren't all that high, and they would have been moving slowly enough that they would not have spread a debris field over a quarter acre.

However, it's quite common. Fog is sneaky and deceptive. This is a problem up and down the Pacific shoreline, but happens in Florida a fair amount, too. Pilots think they can edge run under it or around it, and they're suddenly enveloped.

And yeah, that's how JFK jr died, Patsy Cline, several of my friends, many others. They had someplace they needed to be, and it looked ok from the ground.

RIP, Kobe.
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January 27th, 2020 at 3:22:22 AM permalink
Quote: TDVegas

Now that I'm reading more...this helicopter apparently was a dual engine model. I'm not sure if both engines needed to be running to fly it or if one failed the copter could still fly safely on one engine.



You can't think of helicopters like a plane. Planes rely on forward thrust movement, so having an engine die on a dual engine have a better chance of emergency landing because the plane itself have it's own lift properties in the wings and the fuselage. However, a helicopter is not aerodynamic and does not have lift properties like a plane except for the blades. Without the blades propelling, it can't stay afloat or glide like a plane. The helicopter relies on both engines to create enough turbine power for the main rotor blades to create lift. With one engine out, the helicopter would most likely not have enough power to climb. The most they could probably do is try to land. I also suspect that it probably was due to weather or misread by the pilot if there was heavy fog. We will have to wait and see the reason for the crash.
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January 27th, 2020 at 7:34:52 AM permalink
I am speculating that it was a suicide mission because Kobe was pissed that Lebron passed his scoring mark the day before. Karl Malone may be next.
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January 27th, 2020 at 9:53:51 AM permalink
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I doubt they had time to be terrified. If that eases anyone's mind.

It looks like they were trying to canyon-run in low visibility with ground fog and the pilot got into instrument meteorological conditions, got disoriented, and thought he was flying straight, but was making a right turn instead, and slammed into the quite steep hillside at full speed.

They probably had less than 5 seconds, likely much less, to realize they were dead. Probably the girls were facing backwards in the cabin and never knew.

But that's all speculation until they do an investigation.

If it was mechanical, they should have been able to manage it with emergency procedures, at least to the point of a survivable crash. They weren't all that high, and they would have been moving slowly enough that they would not have spread a debris field over a quarter acre.

However, it's quite common. Fog is sneaky and deceptive. This is a problem up and down the Pacific shoreline, but happens in Florida a fair amount, too. Pilots think they can edge run under it or around it, and they're suddenly enveloped.

And yeah, that's how JFK jr died, Patsy Cline, several of my friends, many others. They had someplace they needed to be, and it looked ok from the ground.

RIP, Kobe.


It's all hindsight...but I have to question the wisdom of going up in the first place. This wasn't a far distance, it was extremely foggy and if a 30 year, experienced LA helicopter pilot, instrumented rated and rated by his peers as one of the best...is crashing full bore into a mountainside...then I don't care who is flying me. It's not safe. The heavy fog was noted by LAPD and they grounded their own craft.
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January 27th, 2020 at 9:58:46 AM permalink
I was gonna do a helicopter ride next time I went to Vegas but now I'm paranoid again.
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January 27th, 2020 at 10:04:47 AM permalink
Interesting interview with a witness

https://youtu.be/28QYy8lrww8
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January 27th, 2020 at 11:12:19 AM permalink
Helicopters scare me and I used to have a private plane pilot license.

My boss offered me free use of his helicopter and free fuel if I wanted to get my helicopter license. I passed. Planes I trust, helicopters not so much. Our company hangar is right out back of our corporate office so it would not have been any inconvenience.
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January 27th, 2020 at 12:47:25 PM permalink
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I am speculating that it was a suicide mission because Kobe was pissed that Lebron passed his scoring mark the day before. Karl Malone may be next.

hehe.... it's still too soon. Wait until after the funeral.
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January 27th, 2020 at 12:51:52 PM permalink
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hehe.... it's still too soon. Wait until after the funeral.



It is never too soon. I probably wouldn't joke at this point with anyone who's relative passed away yesterday, but assuming no one on this forum was relatedI will always joke about death or anything else.
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