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May 31st, 2019 at 4:02:33 PM permalink
Stay away from any table game with progressive meters on them

why?

this statement came from a MINDPLAY patent. yeah mindplay it never went away prove it that it didnt.

https://patents.google.com/patent/WO2005035084A1/en
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For example, the processor generated sequence may be non-pseudo-random, or only partially pseudorandom, for example, to allow progressive type gaming.

further on.....

One example, may cause the processor produced sequence to include a defined subset of playing cards that correspond to a jackpot or enhanced payment when such sequence is received in the hand of one player, or alternatively in the hands of multiple players, during a card game. In this way, the card manufacturer and/or casino can assure that a jackpot situation may only occur within some acceptable range of probabilities. Such a computationally generated sequence may be incorporated with, or stand alone from, the computationally generated pseudo-random number generation generally discussed herein.
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and if you dont care for mindplay, here is the same patent from bally which is up to date and still acitve with the same sentence in it

https://patents.google.com/patent/US7537216B2/en
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May 31st, 2019 at 8:32:40 PM permalink
Yep. I have persistently said that some modern shufflers have the technological capability to deal a sequence of cards that are predetermined by algorithm and as such are non-random. I intend the phrase 'technological capability' to not be equivalent to 'operational capability' - the operational capability is a question of the software on their programmable chips at a given moment. But the shuffler has a technological capability, because its software can be changed/reprogrammed.

So those patents sound as if the shuffler has the capability to be programmed to avoid dealing a sequence of cards that correspond to a jackpot if the game operator feels it has a justification to do so. At least, that is cited as an illustration of its ability to be reprogrammed to deal out a predetermined sequence of cards.

And this is a problem for all the house edge calculations that are performed by all the mathematicians on this website - we all assume that the cards are dealt randomly in casino games..
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June 1st, 2019 at 8:55:16 AM permalink
Quote: gordonm888

we all assume that the cards are dealt randomly in casino games..



I understand you are a mathematician but why does it seem that no one can define what random is and also why can’t more than two people agree on what random is around here? I would go as far as to say that an 8 deck shoe that has not been “randomized” (aka is in order that it comes in the packs) is considered random to someone because it’s possible that it would happen at one point.

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