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It may well have the largest weekend box-office in history to date.
In a preview, a Danish audience is reported to have applauded 3 times during the film, than gave it a standing ovation at the end. After being out 15 hours it has received grades from 100,000 people on the Integrated Movie Data Base site and is currently graded as the 5th best film of all time .
I have not yet seen it (its hard to get a ticket!) but clearly this may become a shared cultural moment for many people. You are encouraged to vote in the poll, preferably after you have seen the film.
I'd love to hear your comments about Avengers: Endgame. If you discuss spoilers during the first few weeks, please do so in a spoiler box.
Quote: gordonm888In a preview, a Danish audience is reported to have applauded 3 times during the film, than gave it a standing ovation at the end.
Only three?!
The audience I saw it with last night couldn’t stop cheering during the last hour or so.
There are lots of “Oh sh**! Hell yeah!!!” moments. It was great to experience it with a huge crowd.
Best moments that got the crowd riled up (huge spoilers):
2. Black Panther (and all the other dusted heroes) return and wage war
3. The female Avengers assemble (BEST moment of the movie)
4. Thanos turns to dust
There were more, but these were the ones that came to mind quickest.
Seeing it again tonight.
Quote: JohnzimboHave never gone to see a super hero flick...would I get much out of this one or would it suck not knowing characters, back story, etc?
I've seen a few. My ex and I used to watch a lot of rifftrax, which this thing where the guys from Mystery Science Theater make fun of bad movies and they did several superhero movies. They are films made for the lowest common denominator, obviously. Part of that is going to be "people who don't closely follow children's stories" so I'm sure you'll be fine. They don't want to exclude anyone from buying tickets.
I'm pretty sure the only Avengers movie I've seen was the first one, which I actually saw in a theater. It was pretty good. If you feel like turning off your brain for a couple of hours of distraction, I'm sure it fits the bill.
Quote: GWAEI am not into super hero movies at all. My brain just doesnt accept any movies that are not "real". If I cant feel that it is possible then I dont like it. A movie like rounders is all made up but I can see that being a true story so I enjoy it
No to Indiana Jones? No to James Bond? You don't like Cruise's Mission Impossible movies? No to Lord of the Rings? How about most big comedy movies. Don't like Caddy Shack, or Ghost Busters?
Quote: GWAEI am not into super hero movies at all. My brain just doesnt accept any movies that are not "real". If I cant feel that it is possible then I dont like it. A movie like rounders is all made up but I can see that being a true story so I enjoy it
I'm the same way, with the strange exception of horror movies. Not that I watch a ton, but if I'm going to see something silly at the movies, that's what I enjoy. I actually tend to like the more supernatural ones. Maybe it's because horror stuff is at least ostensibly true in some way. Like demonic posession is something people believed in for centuries and some bumpkins still believe in, so it's not such a leap to say, "what if this stuff was actually real?" Also, horror films are not made for massive audiences, so they don't necessarily have to be completely idiotic. But sometimes I like them even when they are.
On a related note, I just can't make the leap with CGI. They've been saying for 30 years that one day it will look real. It still just looks like cartoons superimposed on the screen. There's sort of this mass delusion thing where everybody just pretends CGI looks good now.
EvenBob Voice: I could enjoy action scenes a lot more when it was actors and stuntmen doing real stuff. It's really cool to see a real guy jump from one moving car to another. What is cool about seeing a cartoon do it? I just can't get into watching a fight between cartoons. It's amazing how much better the original star wars movies STILL look compared to the new stuff.
Quote: RigondeauxI'm the same way, with the strange exception of horror movies. Not that I watch a ton, but if I'm going to see something silly at the movies, that's what I enjoy. I actually tend to like the more supernatural ones. Maybe it's because horror stuff is at least ostensibly true in some way. Like demonic posession is something people believed in for centuries and some bumpkins still believe in, so it's not such a leap to say, "what if this stuff was actually real?" Also, horror films are not made for massive audiences, so they don't necessarily have to be completely idiotic. But sometimes I like them even when they are.
On a related note, I just can't make the leap with CGI. They've been saying for 30 years that one day it will look real. It still just looks like cartoons superimposed on the screen. There's sort of this mass delusion thing where everybody just pretends CGI looks good now.
EvenBob Voice: I could enjoy action scenes a lot more when it was actors and stuntmen doing real stuff. It's really cool to see a real guy jump from one moving car to another. What is cool about seeing a cartoon do it? I just can't get into watching a fight between cartoons. It's amazing how much better the original star wars movies STILL look compared to the new stuff.
I like horror movies but most of them I can believe may be true. Halloween for example. Other than being able to walk slow and make it across town it could happen. Saw movies, insane but possible.
Movies like avatar.. forget it. Harry potter.. nope
There are some exceptions. Men in black. I like those.
Quote: JohnzimboHave never gone to see a super hero flick...would I get much out of this one or would it suck not knowing characters, back story, etc?
You wouldn’t.
This is the culmination of 22 movies over 11 years. There are so many callbacks and characters that literally just show up for seconds that you would be completely baffled by.
And the three hour running length would be a chore to sit through if you don’t know what’s going on.
Quote: JohnzimboHave never gone to see a super hero flick...would I get much out of this one or would it suck not knowing characters, back story, etc?
I've seen about 10 of the Marvel Comic Universe. Seen about 25 of them overall, but for some reason they include some and not others as prequel to this. There are 22, supposedly, that lead to or culminate with this.
I watched Infinity War, last month, which is the first part of this one.
I had not one effing clue what was going on. You had to know who all the characters were (like, 30 of them) their past relationships, their associates, their archenemies, their superpowers, and their taglines, before trying to watch that movie. And this is part 2 of THAT.
I'm sure it was a literal MCU orgy for the well-initiated. And this one the climax. Incredible visuals. Grotesque gore. Completely incomprehensible plotlines.
They need a movie that recaps all the heroes and villains. MCU for dummies. But they won't bother, because the thing will make a BILLION dollars this weekend.
Or, you needed to do the recently finished MCU binge they ran (think it was AMC theaters) where they showed ALL 21 movies back to back that led up to this one. Just imagine the shape of those marathon nerds around hour 30, seats pissed, popcorn grease everywhere, teeth black with milk dud goo, eyes bleary red, coke tremors. And they had another day to go before they could even see the movie that was new to them.
Lol...
Quote: ams288You wouldn’t.
This is the culmination of 22 movies over 11 years. There are so many callbacks and characters that literally just show up for seconds that you would be completely baffled by.
And the three-hour running length would be a chore to sit through if you don’t know what’s going on.
I think you're overestimating how confusing this would be. I'm sure they realized that at least half the people who see this movie would just be random people who don't see every superhero movie five times, but see the occasional blockbuster.
Again, a major goal with a movie like this is to exclude as few people as possible from seeing it. Can't be too smart, too edgy, too dialog driven (overseas audience), too anything. They certainly don't want to make it exclusively for die hard funny book aficionados.
I'm sure there are a lot of allusions to other movies, but I REALLY doubt you need to be familiar with 22 movies to get this one. You're probably just like, "oh I guess Profesor Ray Gun Eyes was some guy that Captain Underpants fought in the past... WE." Then you continue to watch a bunch of clowns with magic powers fly around and fight each other.
I saw one of the middle Harry Potter movies. I didn't 100% get everything happening, but it basically made sense.
HUGE HUGE MASSIVE SPOILERS
Quote: RigondeauxI'm sure there are a lot of allusions to other movies, but I REALLY doubt you need to be familiar with 22 movies to get this one.
You definitely don’t need to watch all 22.
But these would be particularly helpful to see before this one:
The Avengers
Captain America: Winter Soldier
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: Civil War
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1
Dr. Strange
Avengers: Infinity War
Quote: ams288I’m sure this video will get taken down quickly by YouTube, but here’s a good example of how batsh** crazy audiences go during certain scenes.
HUGE HUGE MASSIVE SPOILERS
Blocked by Disney 6 minutes after you posted it.
Quote: RigondeauxI think you're overestimating how confusing this would be. I'm sure they realized that at least half the people who see this movie would just be random people who don't see every superhero movie five times, but see the occasional blockbuster.
Again, a major goal with a movie like this is to exclude as few people as possible from seeing it. Can't be too smart, too edgy, too dialog driven (overseas audience), too anything. They certainly don't want to make it exclusively for die hard funny book aficionados.
I'm sure there are a lot of allusions to other movies, but I REALLY doubt you need to be familiar with 22 movies to get this one. You're probably just like, "oh I guess Profesor Ray Gun Eyes was some guy that Captain Underpants fought in the past... WE." Then you continue to watch a bunch of clowns with magic powers fly around and fight each other.
I saw one of the middle Harry Potter movies. I didn't 100% get everything happening, but it basically made sense.
In this particular case, he's really not overestimating it. If you don't have the background, they provide exactly NONE of it in these movies.
Quote: beachbumbabsIn this particular case, he's really not overestimating it. If you don't have the background, they provide exactly NONE of it in these movies.
Anything is possible. But in every other case, Hollywood makes movies like this with little bits you'd have to see the other movies to get. But they want everyone to be able to follow the movie, so the rest of the movie is comprehensible even if you don't get them.
It would be really dumb of them to make a low brow movie targeting a mass audience for a couple of hours of mindless entertainment, knowing that half the audience wouldn't be able to enjoy it.
I just don't think they are that dumb. I mean, I'm sure the movie itself is as dumb as all the others. But the people making it are smart and very good at their jobs.
Maybe there is just a little bubble of people who do see all these movies, and it's very rare for someone outside that bubble to see them at all? That's the only way I can see them doing it. Even then, you have to expect that SOME of the audience are normal people who just decided to see a big blockbuster.
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm sure it was a literal MCU orgy for the well-initiated.
Well crap, Babs said orgy so now I may have to check it out :)
Well I'm F***ed, since now you guys have me wanting to watch this movie, but I think I only watched 1.5 of the movies you listed.Quote: ams288You definitely don’t need to watch all 22.
But these would be particularly helpful to see before this one:
The Avengers
Captain America: Winter Soldier
Thor: The Dark World
Captain America: Civil War
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 1
Dr. Strange
Avengers: Infinity War
Unrelated:
I started watching Glass a few weeks ago since I really enjoyed Unbreakable and Split. I was enjoying it but I got interrupted and haven't finished it yet. I'm at the part where Mr. Glass has been caught leaving his room at night and they are about to do something to his brain.
You need to finish mr glass tho axel
Quote: mcallister3200One thing this thread proves, liberals are losing their sh-t over this movie.
Huh?
Quote: gordonm888is currently graded as the 5th best film of all time .
According to an audience that's mostly
under 25 and have never seen a movie
made before 1995. I find these movies
all the same, just with different characters.
They're for comic book readers, and the
plots mirror that. It's gets very tiring
watching the laws of physics suspended
for 2 hours. I did like Deadpool 1 & 2,
but it's storyline was just as juvenile
as the rest. It was the constant humor
I enjoyed.
Quote: Rigondeaux
I saw one of the middle Harry Potter movies. I didn't 100% get everything happening, but it basically made sense.
Never seen a Potter movie all the way
thru. Tried reading 2 of the books, never
made it to 50 pages. Kid stuff, which
is obviously the target audience.
Quote: EvenBobAccording to an audience that's mostly
under 25 and have never seen a movie
made before 1995.
About half the IMDB voters (now 165,000 people) are 29 or younger, but the other half are 30 or older. And only about 1% are 18 or younger. I don't think that is incredibly different than the early audience for most movies. And what is true is that the movies have changed greatly since Star Wars and Indiana Jones - much faster-paced, CGI makes mind-blowing science fiction and fantasy scenes possible, more racially diverse, much less censorship, much less singing and dancing, etc.
IMO, there are dozens of old movies that stand the test of time and are among the best ever - but as a general statement the movies post-1990 are much better than those prior to 1975.
CNN reports that by 2 pm, Saturday afternoon, the Avengers Endgame movie had already broken the record for highest world-wide box-office for an opening week-end -$645 million - with Saturday afternoon and evening and all of Sunday still to go!
Quote: gordonm888The Avengers Endgame movie has been revealed (by some reviewers) to involve time travel, which apparently includes some re-living of critical events in previous movies. If that is the case, then NO, this is not the movie to watch as your first superhero movie.
Quote: EvenBobAccording to an audience that's mostly
under 25 and have never seen a movie
made before 1995.
About half the IMDB voters (now 165,000 people) are 29 or younger, but the other half are 30 or older. And only about 1% are 18 or younger. I don't think that is incredibly different than the early audience for most movies. And what is true is that the movies have changed greatly since Star Wars and Indiana Jones - much faster-paced, CGI makes mind-blowing science fiction and fantasy scenes possible, more racially diverse, much less censorship, much less singing and dancing, etc.
IMO, there are dozens of old movies that stand the test of time and are among the best ever - but as a general statement the movies post-1990 are much better than those prior to 1975.
The other thing is the audience for a dumb movie will be people who like dumb movies.
It's like asking people walking out of a MacDonalds if the think a big Mac is a good burger.
As to movies getting better or worse, it depends on your taste. If you like mindlessness regurgitation, corporate branding, shameless pandering and bad special effects, they've gotten better.
Otherwise it really sucks. The market is driven by adolescents, children, idiots and overseas markets.
Oftentimes I've checked what was playing and there isn't a single film that would appeal to a functionally literate adult.
I picked your year, 1975. Top film was Jaws. Very creative, innovative. A big blockbuster, but also an artistic vision.
Other top grossing films included dog day afternoon, rockey horror, cuckoo's nest and return of the pink panther.
Yeah, we're much better off with wall to wall recycled children's stories made on the assumption that the audience can't speak English.
Quote: Rigondeaux
The other thing is the audience for a dumb movie will be people who like dumb movies.
It's like asking people walking out of a MacDonalds if the think a big Mac is a good burger.
I agree, people who flock to see a movie in its first weekend are of a mindset to like it. But, frankly, they often come out hating the movie they just saw. What I'd say is that the >150,000 people who have seen the Endgame movie and voted on its ranking were hoping to like it and that on average, they LOVED it. Time will tell, as it always does.
Quote: RigondeauxAs to movies getting better or worse, it depends on your taste. If you like mindlessness regurgitation, corporate branding, shameless pandering and bad special effects, they've gotten better.
Otherwise it really sucks. The market is driven by adolescents, children, idiots and overseas markets.
Oftentimes I've checked what was playing and there isn't a single film that would appeal to a functionally literate adult.
Since 1990
Interstellar
Lord of the Rings (3 movies)
Silence of the Lambs
Gravity
Schindler's List
Forrest Gump
Fight Club
The Matrix
Pulp Fiction
Se7en
Saving Private Ryan
The Usual Suspects
The Lion King
Beauty and The Beast
Memento
Gladiator
The Dark Knight
Three Billboards Outside of Ebbing Missouri
Casino
Wolf Of Wall Street
No Country for Old Men
There Will Be Blood
Gran Torino
The Big Lebowski
A Few Good Men
Jurassic Park
Gone Girl
Inception
Hotel Rwanda
Groundhog Day
Sicario
and on and on....... (and note I didn't mention any Marvel Cinematic Universe Movies). Look, in any era there will always be bad movies, but there's a lot of good movies that are nothing like what you are complaining about. Surely, there must be something on this list that you liked?
Moreover, we can see thousands of films that were once either inaccessible or yuge PITA to track down. From Hollywood classics to demented South Korean films.
At the same time.... It used to be safe to assume the multiplex would have a thriller or something else for normal adults. No longer. Though, some of the movies for little kids are actually really good films, like Wall-e.
And we won't see many films that have the creativity or substance of those films from 1975 leading the box office. It's like 100% recycled crap.
When you have that many heroes and that many story lines things are bound to get F'd up, as they were, in my opinion. Basically, without spoiling anything, the movie succumbed to most movie plot failures... The movie never had to take place if they would have done X, Y, Z, or A, B, C, D... so many other options that were more logical and better.
1. They time travel... so yeah, anything is possible... go back and call Capt Marvel (who's only in the movie for a total of 60 seconds and has zero problem kicking Thano's ass) to the fight the first time round. Win.
2. Tell Thor to aim for the head. Win.
3. Some debates about time traveling timelines, so present timeline: Have Capt Marvel wear the glove (which her energy comes from one of the stones so she won't be hurt) and snap her fingers to kill all the bad guys. Win.
4. Have tony stark, who creates the new "glove" make the glove not work for Thano's, or only work for certain people, or whatever. Win.
...
so many more.
Quote: RomesThe movie never had to take place if they would have done X, Y, Z, or A, B, C, D... so many other options that were more logical and better.
1. They time travel... so yeah, anything is possible... go back and call Capt Marvel (who's only in the movie for a total of 60 seconds and has zero problem kicking Thano's ass) to the fight the first time round. Win.
2. Tell Thor to aim for the head. Win.
3. Some debates about time traveling timelines, so present timeline: Have Capt Marvel wear the glove (which her energy comes from one of the stones so she won't be hurt) and snap her fingers to kill all the bad guys. Win.
4. Have tony stark, who creates the new "glove" make the glove not work for Thano's, or only work for certain people, or whatever. Win.
...
so many more.
These wouldn’t work. Hulk makes it clear that the Back to the Future theory of time travel doesn’t apply. Going back in time and changing something in the past will NOT change the future.
“So Back to the Future was a bunch of bullish-t?!” - Ant-Man
And my local theater only scheduled 25 minutes between the end of one showing and the start of the next one - NOT enough time to clean up after all the people that were in there. So there were lines of people everywhere waiting to get in while the ushers tried to clean real quick. It was a madhouse.
I worked at a movie theater for 5 years during high school/college. I know the pain those theater workers went through this weekend. They seemed completely overwhelmed.
It must have been date night for you and Romes.Quote: PokerGrinderI saw it tonight too, it was solid but nothing exceptional imo. I am a marvel addict. I actually thought infinity war was better. Time travel always seems like such a cop out to me.
I have yet to go to one. Are they cool? I was thinking I would wait until the next installment of Avatar and we would give it a try. We meant to see the first Avatar at the IMAX 3D but we just never got around to it and watched it at home. I assume The Palm has IMAX 3D?Quote: ams288I saw it again yesterday in IMAX 3D.
Are 3D TV's any good? Some time ago, they seemed to be the new hot item that everyone had to have, and they were being advertised heavily . They seemed to have fizzled out really quick, so I assume they were not all that good. Maybe you have to get a really big one to get the full experience, and most people can't afford that. Perhaps there was just not enough content?
Quote: RigondeauxThe other thing is the audience for a dumb movie will be people who like dumb movies...
And they'll give great reviews of the
stupid thing.
Quote:Otherwise it really sucks. The market is driven by adolescents, children, idiots and overseas markets.
I'm very careful and find info
on any movie I watch now. Most
of them suck so badly. Lack of
good writing is the problem.
They started to get bad around
2000, and get worse every year.
Quote: AxelWolfI have yet to go to one. Are they cool? I was thinking I would wait until the next installment of Avatar and we would give it a try. We meant to see the first Avatar at the IMAX 3D but we just never got around to it and watched it at home. I assume The Palm has IMAX 3D?
I’m not a big 3D fan in general, but if you’re gonna do it, IMAX 3D is the way to go.
Avatar was by far the best 3D experience I’ve seen.
The 3D for Endgame was fine. Never distracting or anything.
Quote: AxelWolfIt must have been date night for you and Romes.
Don’t be jealous Ax, it doesn’t suit you.
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Captain America: Civil War
Dr. Strange
Avengers: Infinity War
Ant Man and The Wasp
Captain Marvel
I thought the movie was well done, and a fitting coda to franchise with great characters that many fans grew up with as a "family". It's the passing of a baton to the next generation (which Marvel assumes will be attracted by "girl power" and minority representation). Unfortunately, I predict that a decade from now, folks will look back on this film as the high point of the MCU franchise, and the start of the company's decline. I don't see the future films as getting better. Maybe Stan Lee passed on at the right time.
I sometimes find it annoying that every female character in say, a cop movie, has to be a kung fu expert who can beat up a 240 pound guy. But if the characters have magic powers, I don't see the issue or why they wouldn't be 50% female. Especially if they are hot and wearing spandex costumes.
There really aren't that many people who are so hung up on race and stuff that they won't see a movie about superheroes because too many of them are non-white. Nor are they so hung up on gender that too many Scarlett Johanson's in sexy outfits will hurt box office. Don't confuse you're bubble world and the world at large.
Quote: EvenBobLack of
good writing is the problem.
They started to get bad around
2000, and get worse every year.
I pretty much agree. The writers are skilled, in the same way, whoever designs the chemical injected playdough at McD's is skilled, or whoever writes Beyonce's music is skilled. But they know half the audience won't speak English and many of the English speakers will be functionally illiterate. So they aren't really shooting for "good writing" as we normally think of it.
There are probably more well written movies to choose from than ever before, because we can pretty much see any movie ever made whenever we want to. So that's good. Some are even reasonably popular and in Hollywood. Alexander Payne, Coen Bros. etc. Increadible writers. But it is also sad that most major Hollywood releases no longer attempt things like quality writing, originality, etc.
Perusing the Hollywood blockbusters of past decades, you'll find stuff like The Graduate, Double Indemnity, Back to The Future etc. That time is passed.
The film was almost overly complex and the assumption that its audience has seen most of the previous movies (and remembers them reasonably well) will make this a tough watch for many. But for the devoted fans, this film was like a loving celebration of the characters that they care about (except, maybe not so much Thor and Hulk, lol) and the universe that they inhabit.
Quote: AyecarumbaIf you have never seen a Marvel Cinematic Universe film prior to this one, don't waste your time and money. You need to have some backstory, or risk being totally lost. I would modify AMS's list to these as the recommended minimum to really enjoy "Avengers: End Game":
Avengers: Age of Ultron
Captain America: Civil War
Dr. Strange
Avengers: Infinity War
Ant Man and The Wasp
Captain Marvel
I thought the movie was well done, and a fitting coda to franchise with great characters that many fans grew up with as a "family". It's the passing of a baton to the next generation (which Marvel assumes will be attracted by "girl power" and minority representation). Unfortunately, I predict that a decade from now, folks will look back on this film as the high point of the MCU franchise, and the start of the company's decline. I don't see the future films as getting better. Maybe Stan Lee passed on at the right time.
Oh yeah, if you haven't already seen it, add "The Big Lebowski" to the list above. You'll thank me later.
Quote: AyecarumbaOh yeah, if you haven't already seen it, add "The Big Lebowski" to the list above. You'll thank me later.
Jeff Bridges played the villain in the first Iron Man. Made it kind of ironic to have Tony mention Lebowski.
Read #3 and #4...Quote: ams288Quote: RomesThe movie never had to take place if they would have done X, Y, Z, or A, B, C, D... so many other options that were more logical and better.
1. They time travel... so yeah, anything is possible... go back and call Capt Marvel (who's only in the movie for a total of 60 seconds and has zero problem kicking Thano's ass) to the fight the first time round. Win.
2. Tell Thor to aim for the head. Win.
3. Some debates about time traveling timelines, so present timeline: Have Capt Marvel wear the glove (which her energy comes from one of the stones so she won't be hurt) and snap her fingers to kill all the bad guys. Win.
4. Have tony stark, who creates the new "glove" make the glove not work for Thano's, or only work for certain people, or whatever. Win.
...
so many more.
These wouldn’t work. Hulk makes it clear that the Back to the Future theory of time travel doesn’t apply. Going back in time and changing something in the past will NOT change the future.
“So Back to the Future was a bunch of bullish-t?!” - Ant-Man
Quote: GWAEI am not into super hero movies at all. My brain just doesnt accept any movies that are not "real". If I cant feel that it is possible then I dont like it. A movie like rounders is all made up but I can see that being a true story so I enjoy it
Wait for Discovery Channel or NatGeo to make movies
I suspect that is a record for the most Oscar-nominated actors in a single film. Even a documentary named Side By Side that interviewed Oscar-nominated actors only had 16 Oscar-nominated actors.
