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February 12th, 2019 at 8:28:44 PM permalink
Star Wars' Darth Vader has topped another web survey of the Most Vile Movie Villains.

The all-dark trouble maker beat Leatherface from The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and James Mason's turn as Phillip Vandamm in 1959's North By Northwest to arrive a main on 's new commencement.
5 of them are:
1. Darth Vader (Star Wars)
2. Leatherface (The Texas Chainsaw Massacre)
3. Phillip Vandamm (North By Northwest)
4. Hedy Carlson (Single White Female)
5. Annie Wilkes (Misery).
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February 13th, 2019 at 8:00:13 AM permalink
That is a really bizarre and (in my opinion) nonsensical list.

Maayyybe Vader could be 1, and Leatherface 2, but where's the Freddys, and Jasons, and Saurons, and Bond Villains, and Marvel Villains, etc. etc. etc....
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February 13th, 2019 at 8:20:54 AM permalink
Hannibal, the guy from Cape Fear....
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February 13th, 2019 at 9:46:05 AM permalink
Voldemort!

Based on that list I would say no one under age 45 voted.

Actually the guy from North by Northwest?

I revise my opinion. No one under 65 took part in that vote
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February 13th, 2019 at 10:38:05 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Voldemort!

Based on that list I would say no one under age 45 voted.

Actually the guy from North by Northwest?

I revise my opinion. No one under 65 took part in that vote



Never having read the books, but having watched all the movies, I thought Vguy was weak. In the end, Vader was a wuss.
Does the shark from Jaws count?
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February 13th, 2019 at 12:02:41 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

Never having read the books, but having watched all the movies, I thought Vguy was weak. In the end, Vader was a wuss.
Does the shark from Jaws count?



I also briefly thought of the shark from jaws

One thats an animal

Two its considered a pretty mindless animal

So dont think it qualifies as vile evil unless nature is being indicted.

Otoh if we are limiting vile villains to only humans then Darth Vader should be disqualified. Star wars is in a galaxy far far away (and vader was born without a father) so I think at best he qualifies as alien and at perhaps at most equivalent to a son of a higher power
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February 13th, 2019 at 1:28:40 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Otoh if we are limiting vile villains to only humans then Darth Vader should be disqualified. Star wars is in a galaxy far far away (and vader was born without a father) so I think at best he qualifies as alien and at perhaps at most equivalent to a son of a higher power



The human species canonically exists in the Star Wars Universe, and Darth Vader/Anakin is considered a human.
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February 13th, 2019 at 1:53:17 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

The human species canonically exists in the Star Wars Universe, and Darth Vader/Anakin is considered a human.



I understand that

But if we met one of those people we would call them an alien from another galaxy

Hell, we call people from Mexico aliens
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February 13th, 2019 at 1:55:33 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

I understand that

But if we met one of those people we would call them an alien from another galaxy

Hell, we call people from Mexico aliens



No. We don't. Perhaps some ignorant people might call Mexicans aliens but we certainly don't.
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February 13th, 2019 at 2:04:38 PM permalink
Okay, so we can limit the list to Earthlings... haha...

I like the idea of the Jaws shark. I'd definitely put him in the list above the NxNW guy, Misery, and SWF.
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February 13th, 2019 at 2:19:49 PM permalink
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February 13th, 2019 at 2:27:02 PM permalink
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No. We don't. Perhaps some ignorant people might call Mexicans aliens but we certainly don't.



I dont want to turn this thread political.

Just pointing out jokingly that we call people from other places illegal aliens if they arent here properly. So no way are we calling some dudes from another galaxy kinship
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February 13th, 2019 at 2:37:16 PM permalink
Thanos.

I would also actually put the Emperor above Darth Vader as far as pure villainy is concerned if we want to talk Star Wars villains.

Remember in the first Star Wars, when the Imperial officers are in that conference room, and that one officer just starts laying into Vader? Vader just chokes him for a few seconds and Tarkin says "Enough!" and Vader immediately complies. I can't imagine the Emperor allowing himself to be pushed around like that by one, let alone two, officers in the span of a minute.

There's a few other scenes throughout the original trilogy where it seems Vader can be reasoned with, or at least doesn't care what's happening. And I don't think it's Vader who orders either Death Star to ever fire (Tarkin is way more vile in that regard). He seems content to just rule over his own little immediate world, as long as he mostly gets his way, and the Emperor stays off his back. And of course he's redeemed in the end. I wouldn't exactly call that being the most vile villain in the history of cinema, and he's probably not even the most vile villain in Star Wars.
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February 13th, 2019 at 2:50:10 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Thanos.

I would also actually put the Emperor above Darth Vader as far as pure villainy is concerned if we want to talk Star Wars villains.

Remember in the first Star Wars, when the Imperial officers are in that conference room, and that one officer just starts laying into Vader? Vader just chokes him for a few seconds and Tarkin says "Enough!" and Vader immediately complies. I can't imagine the Emperor allowing himself to be pushed around like that by one, let alone two, officers in the span of a minute.

There's a few other scenes throughout the original trilogy where it seems Vader can be reasoned with, or at least doesn't care what's happening. And I don't think it's Vader who orders either Death Star to ever fire (Tarkin is way more vile in that regard). He seems content to just rule over his own little immediate world, as long as he mostly gets his way, and the Emperor stays off his back. And of course he's redeemed in the end. I wouldn't exactly call that being the most vile villain in the history of cinema, and he's probably not even the most vile villain in Star Wars.



I suppose we also have to define vile.

As in explicitly evil

Or disgusting to consider

Jabba the hut with his slimy worm body is vile
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February 13th, 2019 at 3:19:37 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Thanos.

I would also actually put the Emperor above Darth Vader as far as pure villainy is concerned if we want to talk Star Wars villains.

Remember in the first Star Wars, when the Imperial officers are in that conference room, and that one officer just starts laying into Vader? Vader just chokes him for a few seconds and Tarkin says "Enough!" and Vader immediately complies. I can't imagine the Emperor allowing himself to be pushed around like that by one, let alone two, officers in the span of a minute.

There's a few other scenes throughout the original trilogy where it seems Vader can be reasoned with, or at least doesn't care what's happening. And I don't think it's Vader who orders either Death Star to ever fire (Tarkin is way more vile in that regard). He seems content to just rule over his own little immediate world, as long as he mostly gets his way, and the Emperor stays off his back. And of course he's redeemed in the end. I wouldn't exactly call that being the most vile villain in the history of cinema, and he's probably not even the most vile villain in Star Wars.



Total agree. You said it better than I could. Was trying to figure out how to bring up Vader's back story and eventual redemption. Jabba and Thanos were both more villainous, and there were others.
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February 13th, 2019 at 4:11:22 PM permalink
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February 13th, 2019 at 4:22:47 PM permalink
I have to go with the Anthony Falconetti character from the TV's Rich Man Poor Man I and II as my favorite all time bad guy, all time bad guy.
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February 13th, 2019 at 4:54:26 PM permalink
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Marvel Villains,.



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February 13th, 2019 at 5:19:13 PM permalink
Pinhead from the Hellraiser Series was always my favorite horror villain. More recently the Firefly family from Rob Zombie's House of 1000 Corpses, Devil's Rejects and the upcoming film 3 From Hell are a modern version of the Manson Family.

But I'm guessing they exclude the films that are straight Gore or "torture porn"?
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February 13th, 2019 at 7:58:33 PM permalink
Anton Chigurh not on the list?


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February 13th, 2019 at 8:01:03 PM permalink
How about Hans Landa?

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February 13th, 2019 at 8:38:00 PM permalink
Annie Wilkes (Misery) is a good call and probably the most underrated on this list.

For me, she’s the only fictional character that literally gives me chills down my spine to think about.
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February 13th, 2019 at 11:08:33 PM permalink
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Annie Wilkes (Misery) is a good call and probably the most underrated on this list.

For me, she’s the only fictional character that literally gives me chills down my spine to think about.



The thing about Ms. Wilkes is that she was out of touch with reality. The vilest villain is the one who knows the difference between right and wrong, but chooses to do evil. Unfortunately, there are real life examples worse than many fictional characters.
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February 14th, 2019 at 1:34:46 PM permalink
This one is easy. The most vile villian is my ex-wife.
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