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Joeshlabotnik
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September 20th, 2016 at 10:38:08 AM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

That piece of paper doesn't mean anything. The government doesn't recognize your ownership claim. They claim to own it and are merely renting it to you in the form of property taxes.

People that don't claim to be government recognize that's your property though. Like if someone asked your neighbor whose house is that down the street? They might respond "oh that's MathExtremist's house."



Manifestly false. "The government" recognizes, carefully records, and if needed, enforces your claim (as in punishing crimes that violate property rights, or allowing tort claims for the same reason).

Property taxes are imposed to make people pay for the municipal services that they benefit from by owning property in that municipality. Even if a person doesn't pay them, he still owns that property. And yes, I know, that property can eventually be seized. But so can any other asset, to settle any other debt, to the government or anyone else.

Most people, in fact, DON'T know who owns that house down the street--only that person's friends and immediate neighbors. One of the services that government provides is to identify and validate that ownership by maintaining public records.

I realize that you feel you have to spout this nonsense because of your avowed political leanings, but really, so many of your claims are just plain ridiculous and don't stand up to even the slightest scrutiny. You don't benefit yourself in any way by being an extremist.
rudeboyoi
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September 20th, 2016 at 10:56:29 AM permalink
Quote: Joeshlabotnik

Manifestly false. "The government" recognizes, carefully records, and if needed, enforces your claim (as in punishing crimes that violate property rights, or allowing tort claims for the same reason).

Property taxes are imposed to make people pay for the municipal services that they benefit from by owning property in that municipality. Even if a person doesn't pay them, he still owns that property. And yes, I know, that property can eventually be seized. But so can any other asset, to settle any other debt, to the government or anyone else.

Most people, in fact, DON'T know who owns that house down the street--only that person's friends and immediate neighbors. One of the services that government provides is to identify and validate that ownership by maintaining public records.

I realize that you feel you have to spout this nonsense because of your avowed political leanings, but really, so many of your claims are just plain ridiculous and don't stand up to even the slightest scrutiny. You don't benefit yourself in any way by being an extremist.



It is no different than the mafia asking for protection money. Sure they will protect your property from other criminals that attempt to aggress against your property but if you stop paying them protection money they will take it from you. Usually by means of torching the place or removing you from the picture.

Property taxes are absolutely an ownership claim. It's delusional to think otherwise. If you stop paying then the government will remove you from the picture.

It doesn't matter if you actually know who your neighbor is. It's recognizing oh that's my neighbors house. Recognizing that it isn't yours. No piece of paper is necessary for that thought to enter your mind.
MathExtremist
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September 20th, 2016 at 11:58:06 AM permalink
Quote: rudeboyoi

It doesn't matter if you actually know who your neighbor is. It's recognizing oh that's my neighbors house. Recognizing that it isn't yours. No piece of paper is necessary for that thought to enter your mind.

So it all comes down to thought policing? Why can't all of your neighbors decide to recognize that your house is mine instead of yours? If property rights come down to something as ephemeral as "who recognizes what" then what's to prevent the tyranny of the absolute majority?
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563
rudeboyoi
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September 20th, 2016 at 12:04:41 PM permalink
One of my favorite quotes of all time is by an anarchist named Larken Rose:

"When I tell someone that he should be free, the most common reply I get is "no I shouldnt"".
CasinoJ702
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September 20th, 2016 at 12:32:42 PM permalink
I am strongly opposed to criminally prosecuting people for not paying back casino markers.

For starters gambling debt is not enforceable in most states. Post dated checks are criminally unenforceable EVERYWHERE but Nevada.

Second, these casinos are using state resources to collect on their debt.

Lastly, people shouldn't be thrown into jail because they have a gambling problem.

It's predatory lending, plain and simple.

To say that a gambling addict should know better is absurd.

I get that Nevada wants their revenue but at some point the casino needs to absorb some risk.
CasinoJ702
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September 20th, 2016 at 12:54:48 PM permalink
Also adding why not make every person who creates a marker account watch a video describing their responsibilities and penalties if they don't pay it back.

If you lose that hand of blackjack you could lose your freedom.

Think before you take that marker.

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