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August 27th, 2010 at 10:32:13 PM permalink
Quote: Nareed

Very well, then. Use up all the board's memory if you want: what's the plot?



There's not much of a discernable plot in Seinfeld either, which is well known as the best comedy pretty much of all time (though I would put All in the Family and MASH up there). And since the movie Memento goes backwards, you might have a problem qualifying that movie with anything. And Inception is a plot within a plot within a plot with no order whatsoever, so confusing it is (but still a very good movie, nonetheless).

Anyway, the plot of Pulp Fiction is three story lines (and forgive me as I haven't seen the movie in years): the lives of John Travolta and Samuel L. Jackson, partners in enforcing Marcellus Wallace's gang. It starts off with them in a car, doing an enforcement. Travolta takes Uma Thurmann on a date, and she ODs on Travolta's heroin and gets saved. Uma tells John Travolta never to speak of this to anyone. Why is this so great? It's Travolta's great comeback and to see him dancing when his last dancing performance was in the early 80s is phenomenal. There's chemistry between Uma and John. And the acting is tremendous on all counts.

Travolta and Jackson then have to take an informant to Marcellus but he gets shot in the head. There's a hilarious cleanup that happens later on (Tarentino's house). Another great scene filled with hilarity as they follow instructions to clean up for their mistake.

That same night, Bruce Willis is asked to throw a fight by Marcellus and refuses and ends up killing his opposition. He makes a run for it, but realized he forgets his grandfather's watch which is his most important possession. He heads back to the house to get it and kills Travolta (when the toaster pops). Bruce is then racing back when he runs into Marcellus by happenstance and they run into a place where both of them get tied up. Marcellus gets raped by two men in a truly bizarre scene. Willis breaks out of his shackles and saves Marcellus and is forgiven, being told to leave town. He does. This would be the last scene if the movie was chronological. Why is this so great? Because Bruce Willis decided to save his sworn enemy from something unimaginable and therefore risk his own life, as Wallace was going to kill him. The entire "gold watch" plot line is fantastic. "It's a Chopper, baby. Who's chopper is it? Zed's. Who's Zed? Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead. "

Instead of this being the end, we get taken back in time to the beginning of the movie which is actually the middle of the movie, with the diner robbery. Samuel Jackson talks down the robber, and the robbers are allowed to leave, and Samuel Jackson retires from the gang. Another great scene once again as Samuel Jackson redeems himself from killing and turns the bible verse he's been quoting to himself.

So yes, the plot is complex, the stories human. It's not "boy marries girl, boy loses girl, boy gets back girl." It's not good vs evil, or man vs machine or any of the those typical conflicts that a blockbuster makes. It's just three very crazy stories interwoven together that somehow manages (for me) to work.

What the critics will say is that Tarentino pulled off an $8 million movie marketed by an independent studio, managed to relaunch John Travolta's career and bring Samuel L. Jackson to stardom. It won an Oscar for Original Screenplay and was nominated for six others, including best picture.

Just because the plot is complex doesn't make it a bad movie. And just because I think it's brilliant doesn't make it so.
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August 27th, 2010 at 10:36:58 PM permalink
Avatar was a great movie in 3-D format. Certainly the plot is fairly simplistic and the message loud and clear. I think the box office was so incredibly high due to technology and higher ticket prices for the 3-D performances. Would I buy the movie on DVD or Blue-Ray without the 3-D format on my TV being available? No.

Lord of the Rings was a movie that anyone who had read the books had to go see. Peter Jackson did these movies very well, in my opinion.
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August 27th, 2010 at 11:12:29 PM permalink
>>Citizen Kane, for instance, was "praised for its innovative cinematography, music and narrative structure. The film was nominated for Academy Awards in nine categories..." Yet, I can truthfully say, I found it okay while watching it. But what do I know.>>

Thats because you didn't see it in 1941. In 1941 it was brilliant.
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August 27th, 2010 at 11:21:59 PM permalink
>>Just because the plot is complex doesn't make it a bad movie. And just because I think it's brilliant doesn't make it so.>>>

You could have a college class on what the plot or theme of PF is. It means different
things to different people, thats why its brilliant. The fact that some people vehemently
hate it just enhances its brilliance.

Again, I once hated Picasso because I had no understanding of his work. Once I learned
what he was all about, I have nothing but admiration for his genius. At one time I thought
he was an idiot. It was an eye opener when I discovered the idiot was me.
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August 28th, 2010 at 5:45:47 AM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Can something be brilliant yet not enjoyable? (I went back a couple posts to see why Nareed didn't like Pulp Fiction)



Certainly. Niven and Pournelle do a brilliant job describing an apocalyptic invasion of Earth in Footfall. but widespread destruction and war are not enjoyable.


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Was the acting first rate?
Casting, directing, etc., all those things that go into a movie?



the acting was competent, but far from first rate. The rest was more of the same.

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Citizen Kane, for instance, was "praised for its innovative cinematography, music and narrative structure. The film was nominated for Academy Awards in nine categories..."

Yet, I can truthfully say, I found it okay while watching it. But what do I know.



Welles did stuff in Kane that has not been done since. The cinematography was so important to the film, that the cinematographer appears in the credits along with the director (credits are a big deal in Hollywood, and the director's name always appears by itself). The movie is rife with special effects, too (lame by today's standards, though). And the acting is first rate.

The story, though, is not that engaging and the use of the tragic, flawed figure of a man is distasteful. But it has lots of good, witty dialogue.

The movie most like Kane is "Tron." Also a unique, innovative way of showing a story, but with a common adventure story. The acting's not as good. But both are visually one of a kind. Tron is also the most paradoxical movie: it's full of vibrant colors, but to do so it was shot mostly in black and white (the colors are a visual effect); it takes place largely in a very dark place, made up almost entirely of light.
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August 28th, 2010 at 6:15:31 AM permalink
Quote: boymimbo

There's not much of a discernable plot in Seinfeld either, which is well known as the best comedy pretty much of all time (though I would put All in the Family and MASH up there).



1) Glad you admit by implication there's no discernible plot in Tarantino's ode to scatology
2) Seinfeld was funny because it portrayed terrible people in a sympathetic manner, who did really bad things we all sometimes which to do but refrain from.
3) You should stop citing authority and simply say what you think.


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It's Travolta's great comeback and to see him dancing when his last dancing performance was in the early 80s is phenomenal. There's chemistry between Uma and John. And the acting is tremendous on all counts.



I grant you all that, except that the acting's tremendous. Travolta is charismatic and has the looks of a movie star, but he's not a good actor. Essentially all he does is play John Travolta playing a character. He's like Jack Nicholson that way. They can both emote effectively and convincingly, but there's more to acting than that.


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What the critics will say is that Tarentino pulled off an $8 million movie marketed by an independent studio, managed to relaunch John Travolta's career and bring Samuel L. Jackson to stardom.



Actually it was "The Matrix" that launched Jackson to stardom (another bad movie, poor man). He's doing very well in CSI, though Grissom remains unreplaced.

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And just because I think it's brilliant doesn't make it so.



Agreed.
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August 28th, 2010 at 6:19:14 AM permalink
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Again, I once hated Picasso because I had no understanding of his work. Once I learned
what he was all about, I have nothing but admiration for his genius. At one time I thought
he was an idiot. It was an eye opener when I discovered the idiot was me.



If you're going to use an artist to draw comparison you should pick a good one. I recommend Jan Vermeer.
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August 28th, 2010 at 7:03:52 AM permalink
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If you're going to use an artist to draw comparison you should pick a good one. I recommend Jan Vermeer.



So Picasso is not a good artist? He was just fooling everybody, but not you, right?
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August 28th, 2010 at 7:17:29 AM permalink
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So Picasso is not a good artist?



No. Look at one of his major works, Guernica, and tell me it portrays anything.
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August 28th, 2010 at 9:33:17 AM permalink


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guernica_(painting).
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