For real?
Quote: rawtuffQuote: GandlerQuote: rawtuffQuote: GandlerQuote: rawtuffBecause it is different. And I wont be furious. 17 is adult in my country.
Yes, several 17 year old men. It shouldn't be a crime in the first place if the law was up to date.
And if you try to put wheels on a human will it make them a truck?
So its Okay for women to engage in statutory rape?
Let me guess, you are a feminist....
Or was she the victim in this scenario?
It's not okay. Doesn't deserve 22 years though. And "rape" is kind of incorrect term here.
No I'm not feminist. Quite the contrary in fact.
She could of been the victim, wouldn't know. But even if she is a predator, 18 is too high and obsolete age limit. Check the rest of the world. And the punishment is WAY too harsh in this case.
"Statuary rape" is the term for an adult having sex with a minor regardless of the consent.
Yeah, I get it but the word "rape" gives an unnecessary negative weight IMO. Pedophilia is what is used mostly in non English language cultures.
Talking about statuary rape of 17 year old men is IMO ridiculous.
You are forgetting she did it with many students, including those well under 17.
But even on the note of 17, What if a male teacher had consesual sex with "17 year old men" students, would your opinion be the same?
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You are forgetting she did it with many students, including those well under 17.
There were three students and all of them were 17.
Quote: GandlerBut even on the note of 17, What if a male teacher had consesual sex with "17 year old men" students, would your opinion be the same?
No. But that's not the case here. Every case is to be judged individually. And I'd still think 22 years is too much.
Quote: rawtuffThere were three students and all of them were 17.
No. But that's not the case here. Every case is to be judged individually. And I'd still think 22 years is too much.
And 8th grader, is almost certainly not 17, unless they have a mental defect which would make it even worse. I think I was 12 in 8th grade, which could be classified as pedophilia.
But, every case can't be judged individually, there needs to be a set of rules. This prevents people in a position of power over children (such as here) from using their influence to get away with it.
Quote: GandlerAnd 8th grader, is almost certainly not 17, unless they have a mental defect which would make it even worse. I think I was 12 in 8th grade, which could be classified as pedophilia.
You skip a grade? Nice work! Most 8th graders are 13 to 14. But even at 13-14, I still think this is an important detail. However, she wasn't convicted of anything there.
What I'm more impressed with is she was able to get another teaching job after the initial accusation. I need to learn from her for that at least!!! :-\
Quote: GandlerAnd 8th grader, is almost certainly not 17, unless they have a mental defect which would make it even worse. I think I was 12 in 8th grade, which could be classified as pedophilia.
But, every case can't be judged individually, there needs to be a set of rules. This prevents people in a position of power over children (such as here) from using their influence to get away with it.
Where are you getting the 8th grader from? She had sex with 8th grader? Where does it say so?
Every case is judged individually in court. The judgement is based on a set of rules/laws, yes, but every detail and circumstance is taken into account to form the final degree of guilt, social weight of the crime etc.
Quote: rawtuffWhere are you getting the 8th grader from? She had sex with 8th grader? Where does it say so?
Every case is judged individually in court. The judgement is based on a set of rules/laws, yes, but every detail and circumstance is taken into account to form the final degree of guilt, social weight of the crime etc.
The article the OP posted as well as others you can find online.
Quote: GandlerThe article the OP posted as well as others you can find online.
"accused of having inappropriate conduct with an eighth grader" is what it says. "Accusation". And "inappropriate conduct". Nothing about having sex and nothing about proving it either.
Quote: rawtuff"accused of having inappropriate conduct with an eighth grader" is what it says. "Accusation". And "inappropriate conduct". Nothing about having sex and nothing about proving it either.
"The earliest incident dates back to 2008, when she resigned from a teaching post in Orange County after allegations of inappropriate contact with an 8th grader" -NYDN
She resigned and moved, I think we both know why...
And she was only tried for 3 recent allegations, she may (and probably should) be tried at some point for her other allegations...
Quote: rawtuffShe could of been the victim, wouldn't know. But even if she is a predator, 18 is too high and obsolete age limit. Check the rest of the world. And the punishment is WAY too harsh in this case.
consider France. the age of consent is 15. after that, the only factor is consent. parent, sibling, friend, stranger... no inquiry at all, just actual consent, nothing else. Unless there are "indicia of prostitution" in which case the age is 18 or "indicia of economic coercion by a pimp in which case the age is 21.
In california if there is a narrow age window, its at most a misdemeanor and punishment is usually Probation and a stay away until she is of age order.
Quote: Gandler"The earliest incident dates back to 2008, when she resigned from a teaching post in Orange County after allegations of inappropriate contact with an 8th grader" -NYDN
She resigned and moved, I think we both know why...
And she was only tried for 3 recent allegations, she may (and probably should) be tried at some point for her other allegations...
No, we might think we know why, but we can be very wrong. Presumed innocence is for a reason.
If I have to make a guess, I'd guess it was what the article says it to be - an inappropriate conduct. Might be some exhibitionist act or an inappropriate conversation with maybe at most some touching or stuff. Not an actual sexual act - it would have been known if it was.
She was on trial for 3 allegations of sexual intercourses with 17 year olds. And that's what she has to be convicted for. That's not a crime in 90 something percent of the rest of the world.
And there was no damage, mental or otherwise, the rest of the world can figure to worth 22 years in jail, even if the age limit was 18 there.
For a great democracy and a country to lead an example, USA is really giving this woman a punishment worthy for the dark ages.
She needs to have a lesson for her inappropriate behavior, but 22 years is ...just laughable. A release from her job and maybe a probation with restriction to teach for number of years is what is at most warranted in this case.
This sentence of 22 years is really an abomination. And I'm actually more baffled by the number of people finding this to be justified, than the actual sentence it self - the ridiculous court decisions are all over the world. What people actually think of them is what is worrisome.
