For real?

When an older woman has sex with a teenage boy, it's a "wtf really she goes to jail for 22 years?!"

When an older man sleeps with a teenage girl, it's a "wtf, that rapist should get the death penalty!!" *rabble rabble rabble*

High school way back in 1970 when the moral code was a good deal tighter than it is now. One of our English teachers had a thing for a boy that was at most like 15 at the time. Not sure which of them instigated the thing but she was at least 30 and married. She eventually divorced and when he graduated they married. Don't remember if she was still teaching or not as he was younger than me and I had graduated first.

I cannot see how shagging clients (or students) where you work is ever a positive or safe thing - on either side.
urges happen; getting your rocks off doesn't have to mean jeopardy.

Quote: RS

When an older woman has sex with a teenage boy, it's a "wtf really she goes to jail for 22 years?!"

When an older man sleeps with a teenage girl, it's a "wtf, that rapist should get the death penalty!!" *rabble rabble rabble*

But I think society actually finds it more socially unacceptable for a older female to be with a younger male.

It's thumbs up if your male 30+ with a 18 year old. A female doing the same is frowned on.

The sex laws are ridiculous in many regards.

There's the magical age of consent. Maybe two 17 year olds can have sex. Boy turns 18, they decide to screw to celebrate - he's committing statutory rape. Yesterday it was legal*, today it's not. Ridiculous.

The notion that you can get in trouble for taking a naked picture of yourself is also ridiculous.

Rewording the laws to make sense, with explicit exemption clauses (persons within 2 years of age of each other who are not otherwise incapable of giving consent nor in an authority relationship may give consent) just complicates things and probably creates unintended loopholes that will get somebody hurt. Better not to do that.

Didn't there used to be prosecutorial and judicial discretion for these problems?




*I am not a lawyer, so my understanding is probably off.

Quote: AxelWolf

But I think society actually finds it more socially unacceptable for a older female to be with a younger male.

It's thumbs up if your male 30+ with a 18 year old. A female doing the same is frowned on.

A successful older man with a younger trophy, almost gold-digging wife is considered a fine arrangement, often and especially if the trophy lady is a Mistress, so socially acceptable in many cultures.

An older woman with a male kid is considered very crass: a young man (boy) is just cutting his teeth with quiet comments of "good for him," and the older woman is considered condemned or dangerous, corrupting, or a "user." So much for his Seminary studies, the loss considered, with no pun intended.

The young boy is considered a man, now, and she, just Damaged crass goods of a Certain Age.
She cannot put on a mini-skirt and some powder, and reasonably hit a club at the Palms or the Rio....

Quote: Paigowdan

A successful older man with a younger trophy, almost gold-digging wife is considered a fine arrangement, often and especially if the trophy lady is a Mistress, so socially acceptable in many cultures.

An older woman with a male kid is considered very crass: a young man (boy) is just cutting his teeth with quiet comments of "good for him," and the older woman is considered condemned or dangerous, corrupting, or a "user." So much for his Seminary studies, the loss considered, with no pun intended.

The young boy is considered a man, now, and she, just Damaged crass goods of a Certain Age.
She cannot put on a mini-skirt and some powder, and reasonably hit a club at the Palms or the Rio....

Yep and since I'm a male it all looks good to me. Someone knew what they were doing.

As kewlj said, there has to be a line somewhere. There would be debate on the actual numbers no matter if they were 12 or 25. "omg I'm 11 I'm basically 12.." or "yeah I'm 24, same thing as 25 pretty much!" So I don't want to get hung up on the actual numbers, as they're meaningless. I've met 15 year old boys and girls that were wise beyond their years and clearly more "adult" than some of my 25-35 year old friends. Then I've met 25-35 year olds whom have the mental capacity of a 'standard' 14 year old.

What is there to discuss then? The different views society takes on men vs women in the same situation. If this was an older man having sex with a 17 year old girl, then they'd be viewed as a total rapist molester horrible human being. When it's an older woman having sex with a 17 year old boy, then he must be a stud and/or seduced her! Women are trying to set it up so they can do no wrong in the world. We want equal rights... except when we could benefit more from saying we're a woman! ...take me out on a date, oh and show me you're a man by opening my doors and paying for everything. Without trying to spill entirely in to that topic I believe it applies here as well. You know there's a fair amount of people saying "Oh come on she's a dream maker. I wished every day in high school I could bang my hot teachers!" Guy, they try to crucify... Woman, eh the boy wanted it I'm sure.

Of course, there has to be a number but, first, 18 is too high. According to whom, you'll ask? Well the vast majority of the western world has it between 14 and 16. Lots of studies, disputes and cultural tendencies must have been taken into account for those decision and it really feels more justified.

Second, the sentence of 22 years is way, way, WAY too harsh and it feels just plain wrong. A similar crime in the rest of the western world will most probably be punished with no more than 10-12 years MAX(given it was more than one minor she had sex with). There are drunk drive murders who get half of that, I'm sure in the US too.

Third, the fact that it is a woman HAS to make a difference. I'm all for gender equality in not only rights but responsibilities too, but come on. Based purely on physical/anatomical (even excluding mentality) differences, these type of crimes along with rape DO differentiate between genders.

Having intimate relationship with pupils is never a good thing/idea, the authority figure etc is all right. Even if the boys were 18 I'd still be all for her getting fired and maybe lose the right to teach for number of years.

But 22 years in prison? Essentially taking her life away from her and give her nothing but misery for the rest of it for seducing 17 year olds who are in all honesty ready to work,to have their own family and were the happiest students in the school? Where is the damage that warrants 22 years?

Also, the fact that they are 17 has to make a difference. The number of 18 is there, but when the judge is making decision whether the pupils were 17 or for example 11 does make a big difference and has to be reflected.

"Hey she might have been 16, but she's real mature for her age!"