State or USA citizen first

RonC took the words out of my mouth. As well as on the Capitol building, these 'six flags over Texas' are seen many places, such as Six Flags theme parks. They are a source of pride in Texas, with the Confederate flag of course being one of the six. However, I think 2F started the thread as a state's rights conversation with a Confederate flag segue.

Very interesting point on the change in allegiance from colony/ state to national. I can't imagine thinking that my state government is the highest government authority, with federal being secondary, but that probably is how the Founding Fathers intended it to be. Perhaps we are seeing a return to that in social issues. States differ greatly on capital punishment, marijuana use, gay marriage, etc and the federal government does not impose any side.

Rush Limbaugh has jumped the shark.
He thinks the American flag is next LOL

"One day, what is happening to the rebel flag will come to pass for the American flag, too"

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/rush-limbaugh-confederate-flag-american-flag-119359.html

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I think a large portion of what you are getting at is the nation is far more transient today than it was in the 1800s. The OP here, I am just guessing lives in Atlanta, which is another town where many live and few are from.

Quite true, only a very small few of us are from the Atlanta area. Bunch of Yankees and other undesirables runnin' round here now ;-) pls, just a joke! If I meet someone around my age that seems or states like they are native Atlantans I ask them if any of their grandparents were Atlanta area natives. If they respond yes, I assume they are long lost cousins. The branches on that big family tree of mine, well the branches crossed a couple too many times if you get my drift. So I have a perfectly scientific explanation for being, er....somewhat unusual ;-)

But none of that has anything to do with States Rights, or allegiances. Well, except you should be willing to fight for family. In the mid 1800s I think many, most perhaps, fought for State and family and not country, in both the north and the south.

This is just an aside, but I personally love Atlanta. I have been down there a few times for business. I enjoy downtown, Buckhead. Stayed out in Lithia Springs. I remember eating at this place called Gumbeaux's in Douglasville as well. It reminds me of a condensed version of Chicago where none of the roads are straight. LOL

In the oath of citizenship, we pledge to support and defend the constitution and laws of The United States of America above all else.

Furthermore you agree to renounce all allegiances to foreign sovereignties. The confederate flag represents a foreign soverenty, or would have if the south had won.

Additionally, in the Pledge of Allegiants, we pledge allegiants to the United States of America, not a single state.

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..(edited by shortening).... However, I think 2F started the thread as a state's rights conversation with a Confederate flag segue.

Very interesting point on the change in allegiance from colony/ state to national. I can't imagine thinking that my state government is the highest government authority, with federal being secondary, but that probably is how the Founding Fathers intended it to be. Perhaps we are seeing a return to that in social issues. States differ greatly on capital punishment, marijuana use, gay marriage, etc and the federal government does not impose any side.

Interesting but I think you are mistaken. You mention issues that the Feds haven't taken jurisdiction of yet.... but all three are under debate, and the Fed will decide, one way or the other. The other is to leave with the States, for now. Either way the States will have to bow to the Fed's decision. That troubles me as a concept.

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In the oath of citizenship, we pledge to support and defend the constitution and laws of The United States of America above all else.

Furthermore you agree to renounce all allegiances to foreign sovereignties. The confederate flag represents a foreign soverenty, or would have if the south had won.

Additionally, in the Pledge of Allegiants, we pledge allegiants to the United States of America, not a single state.

The United States of America, that has a overwhelming ring to it for me, I hope for you too.
But was that the Federal Government in Washington ( wasn't always in Washington DC you know ).
Or was it 'The United STATES of America. That's a bit different you see.

And it's the pledge of allegiance , but I'm being picky, I apologize.
"In the oath of citizenship"? I never had to take that oath. I said a similar pledge more times than I can count though, (I pledge allegiance to the flag)
Long ago when I was young, every school day (even in the south) started with that pledge.
I've heard maybe it doesn't anymore.

I'm sure everyone here understands the flag in question is not the flag of the confederacy, but the battle flag.

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Rush Limbaugh has jumped the shark.
He thinks the American flag is next LOL

"One day, what is happening to the rebel flag will come to pass for the American flag, too"

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/rush-limbaugh-confederate-flag-american-flag-119359.html

Jumped the shark, I don't know the term though I've heard it twice in two days.
Is that like 'jumped the gun'?
(Pause)
OK, searched it and think I understand the reference.

My opinion only, not meant to intentionally insult anyone, whether you wear a tin foil hat or not.
BUT:
Rush is a pretty smart and thoughtful cookie, in spite of his bombastic style and endless self-aggrandizement (like Trump?).
I started this thread with an examination of of just how much attitudes and allegiances can change in a couple of hundred years.
Those years were in the 1800s and 1900s. The world changes faster now, much faster, exponentially? Maybe not exponentially yet but the rate of change in the rate of change is accelerating.
I cannot imagine what the world will look like 200 years from now.
I can imagine, can't help but imagine, brace yourself........
I see the argument over whether to ban the manufacture, distribution, or display of the 'old flag of the failed United States of America' to be a discussion that is old news, settled long ago. I hope I am wrong, I hope that can be avoided. But to just assume that we are not headed in that direction is to be somewhat like an ostrich. IMO

I'm thinking about my children, and their children's children. And I fear Rush has got it right again....sadly...2F

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Furthermore you agree to renounce all allegiances to foreign sovereignties.

Kinda makes one wonder then, why are 86 congressman dual citizens?