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36 members have voted
The world turns, the small national government grew. There was another war with Britain, and other wars, and other States were formed as additions to the Union as the expansion west continued. Slavery became a more hotly divisive issue and was banned in many States, BANNED BY THOSE STATES. I believe in my heart that the vast majority of the combined citizenry had to know that slavery was wrong. Just bad, an evil in the world. But an institution or practice that large, that woven into the economic engines, is hard to overturn.
For an assortment of reasons, and slavery was just one, a southern block of those States that had joined in a 'Union' decided to quit that 'Union' and form the Confederate States of America as a new 'Union' of those, and I think they probably used the term 'Sovereign States'. The United States of America found that idea unacceptable and the bloodiest war this country has ever seen followed. A half a million men died, give or take. The complete United States of America was restored. It was all very ugly, war is ALWAYS very ugly. The National. Government continued to grow in size and power in relation to the State Governments.
If this poll had been taken in the late 1800's I really don't know how it would have tallied up. US citizen 1st, or State citizen first, or equal.
The country fought some more wars, and was arguably the world's savior in a couple of World Wars. The National Government continued to consolidate power at the national level and the State Governments gradually became less relevant and less powerful.
So I take this poll today, and I have to check USA citizen first. Not even close. Amazing the change a couple hundred years can make...... 2F
I am for taking the flag down, not because of the hate symbol issue, but because it was in essence a foreign country's flag. Texas or California don't fly the Mexican flag, the 13 colonies don't fly the Union Jack, Florida or Puerto Rico the Spanish flag, etc.
The coats of arms of these six nations are on the Texas Capitol building:
1 Spain (1519 to 1821)
2 France (1684 to 1690 for Fort Saint Louis and 1800 to 1803 for French Louisiana)
3 Mexico (1821 to 1836)
4 Republic of Texas (1836 to 1845 as the Republic of Texas; 1845-present as the State of Texas)
5 United States of America (1845 to 1861 and 1865 to present)
6 Confederate States of America (1861 to 1865)
They are also on the reverse of the State Seal.
They aren't flags, of course, but they are symbolic of the state's history.
P.S. the civil war had more to do about state rights that with slavery. There is a reason the 13th Amendment wasn't ratified until after the civil war ended, the first vote on the Amendment was 3 years after the war started.
I think in just about any instance where there's a Confederate flag, an American flag can be substituted to better effect.
I thought about it and came to the conclusion that you are correct.
I still worry about the monuments and memorials and statues and such.
An American flag at a Confederate memorial is appropriate for me.
In 1776, the pace was glacial; today it is very quick indeed.