petroglyph
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January 17th, 2015 at 1:34:39 PM permalink
I know someone with a real and documented disability who likes to play craps. People I have seen in wheelchairs like to play from the corner often and usually are conscientious about player population and crowding at the tables. Disabled people are usually the most considerate players at the table IMO. I have also played with blind players who really seemed to enjoy the game.

Yesterday at most, there were two other players at the table part time, and they were at the other end of the table. The disabled guy cannot physically throw the dice all the way from the end to the far end of the table, so likes to play from SL1. A request was made repeatedly for a chair which was a few feet away. The box person would not let the player have a chair at s1 to sit at [ but could have at table end] while the house spends a lot of time counting chips or another player takes a turn from right side.

This seems unfair as hell to me. If the guy moves to table end he gets chastised by the boxperson for not throwing the dice to the end, bounce of wall and etc. The guy asked if since there was no one else playing if the house could install the "board" which makes the table a little over half length which they do anyway when they are short of a full crew. This would make it possible for the disabled guy to throw to the end [new, closer end because of the board] and do the bounce off the wall to their liking thing. Again a resounding NO from the box.

The disabled guy is suffering continually and needs a game once in a while. Does this seem like an opportunity for a lawsuit for unfair practice against a disabled person, according to the ADA? It would be great if casinos took seriously the needs of those with disability's, if it didn't cause them [casinos] much trouble [cost] to allow them [disabled people] the same chance to lose money that others players have. It's not like asking the casino to provide some prosthetic device or a tool to increase the chances of winning. It is a simple way to help those that need it, at very little cost. IMO it would be great if someone with the wherewithal, drive, desire and tenacity would take at least one of these casinos to task, and make them at least consider special needs, which I believe is the law already?

A chair [in this instance]would in no way interfere with foot traffic as the walkways are quite wide. The only difference I can see is the guy could have been a little more comfortable during slow stick changes or chip fills or other [few and occasional] players took a turn. To me it is actually cruel, and there is no reason to deny the guy a chair other than a power trip the boxman is on. This particular casino is in Nevada but an indian casino, I don't know if that makes a difference as far as federal rules?
aahanifnoor
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January 22nd, 2015 at 9:34:43 PM permalink
I have also played with blind players who really seemed to enjoy the game.

Yesterday at most, there were two other players at the table part time, and they were at the other end of the table. The disabled guy cannot physically throw the dice all the way from the end to the far end of the table, so likes to play from SL1. A request was made repeatedly for a chair which was a few feet away.

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thecesspit
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January 22nd, 2015 at 11:54:17 PM permalink
I went to Vegas with a broken ankle once, in cast. Was offered stools to sit on at Orleans, Mirage and Flamingo, as I recall.

Bad service if they don't allow the request.
"Then you can admire the real gambler, who has neither eaten, slept, thought nor lived, he has so smarted under the scourge of his martingale, so suffered on the rack of his desire for a coup at trente-et-quarante" - Honore de Balzac, 1829
Venthus
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January 23rd, 2015 at 12:06:22 AM permalink
I've been to a few places where seats were the norm. (All outside of Vegas.) No fuss if you wanted to stand, and the shooter usually did, but it was up to you.

(And: SL1? Stick left 1?)
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January 23rd, 2015 at 12:23:08 AM permalink
I know a guy who pretended to be a cripple so he could sit in a wheelchair and catch the hole card at a game. Best part is when the big player got backed off, the casino was too scared to back off a guy who might be a cripple so they didn't say anything to him at all, lol.
tringlomane
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January 23rd, 2015 at 12:57:30 AM permalink
Quote: thecesspit

I went to Vegas with a broken ankle once, in cast. Was offered stools to sit on at Orleans, Mirage and Flamingo, as I recall.

Bad service if they don't allow the request.



Beyond bad service, imo. He could have a case under the ADA as well. A seat is easily a "reasonable accommodation". And Indian casinos are subject to ADA. I would love to see a lawsuit.

http://www.indiangaming.com/regulatory/view/?id=84
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January 23rd, 2015 at 1:24:41 AM permalink
Quote: sc15

I know a guy who pretended to be a cripple so he could sit in a wheelchair and catch the hole card at a game. Best part is when the big player got backed off, the casino was too scared to back off a guy who might be a cripple so they didn't say anything to him at all, lol.



He probably wasn't betting big enough or something because this is the oldest trick in the book(stories floating around for years), surveillance actually specifically watches and scrutinises people in a wheelchairs at the table. It's Probably the 2nd line in the surveillance hand book, just under... watch for the guy with a shoe of cards under his jacket.

I don't think they were to scared, just to stupid.

If that's the case just recruit a gay, black, cripple and print money.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
Dieter
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January 23rd, 2015 at 2:41:12 AM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Beyond bad service, imo. He could have a case under the ADA as well. A seat is easily a "reasonable accommodation". And Indian casinos are subject to ADA. I would love to see a lawsuit.

http://www.indiangaming.com/regulatory/view/?id=84




Fascinating. I met a guy a few times who was claiming to have a bad back (and a doctor's excuse of some sort to that extent), who wanted to stand at a handheld blackjack game (normally requires players to be seated). Pit boss claimed they weren't required to accommodate him, and if he didn't like it he was welcome to sue the tribe. (They were willing to let him stand as needed; they just weren't willing to deal him cards while he wasn't seated.)

I do have an acquaintance in a wheelchair who likes to play the same handheld game. She often sits at a position where she might be able to catch the hole card, but her play isn't good enough that she's catching the hole card.
May the cards fall in your favor.
petroglyph
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January 25th, 2015 at 12:09:28 PM permalink
Quote: Venthus

I've been to a few places where seats were the norm. (All outside of Vegas.) No fuss if you wanted to stand, and the shooter usually did, but it was up to you.

Quote:

(And: SL1? Stick left 1?)

Exactly. Or two, three, corner, end or hook, or the opposite on the right side.
petroglyph
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January 25th, 2015 at 12:25:41 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Beyond bad service, imo. He could have a case under the ADA as well. A seat is easily a "reasonable accommodation". And Indian casinos are subject to ADA. I would love to see a lawsuit.

http://www.indiangaming.com/regulatory/view/?id=84



From my minor understanding of law, the ADA is always talking about fairness to "employees", not customers. I think business has to have handicap parking and accessible doors, other than that they have a right to refuse service to anyone? I don't know how it works, but I know it causes undo hardship on the player for no reason that I can see, other than meanness. Oh, and the player is a perpetual tipper.

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