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MrWarmth
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May 14th, 2014 at 11:17:12 AM permalink
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AxiomOfChoice
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May 14th, 2014 at 11:19:04 AM permalink
I will be shocked if he is on an NFL roster at the beginning of the season. And that has nothing to do with him being gay.
Boz
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May 14th, 2014 at 11:24:38 AM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I will be shocked if he is on an NFL roster at the beginning of the season. And that has nothing to do with him being gay.



That is my issue. Judge him on his ability, which probably makes him undersized and not ready for the NFL But the pressure will be on the Rams to keep him, but hey, they are the ones that drafted him and stated how proud they were to be part of this "history" making event.

My take, good for him but the kiss and cake stuff was overkill and I didn't see any other picks doing it, not that they didn't, but they were not shown doing the same.
tringlomane
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May 14th, 2014 at 12:23:41 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

That is my issue. Judge him on his ability, which probably makes him undersized and not ready for the NFL But the pressure will be on the Rams to keep him, but hey, they are the ones that drafted him and stated how proud they were to be part of this "history" making event.

My take, good for him but the kiss and cake stuff was overkill and I didn't see any other picks doing it, not that they didn't, but they were not shown doing the same.



Yeah the Rams well definitely feel some pressure over this. And that's my "team" (I guess...Rams suck really), also Sam went to my alma mater, so I really want him to succeed regardless if he was gay or not.

And the kiss and cake stuff may have been overkill, but when anything happens for the first time, you're guaranteed the media is going to cover it. In 2040, when the Xth openly gay player gets drafted, will ESPN care? Maybe, but definitely a lot less.
AxiomOfChoice
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May 14th, 2014 at 12:27:37 PM permalink
Quote: tringlomane

Yeah the Rams well definitely feel some pressure over this. And that's my "team" (I guess...Rams suck really), also Sam went to my alma mater, so I really want him to succeed regardless if he was gay or not.

And the kiss and cake stuff may have been overkill, but when anything happens for the first time, you're guaranteed the media is going to cover it. In 2040, when the Xth openly gay player gets drafted, will ESPN care? Maybe, but definitely a lot less.



The media needs something to talk about. There is no story here but they can't very well lead with that.

I don't really know if the Rams will take any heat for cutting him. He is clearly not that good. Maybe if he makes a lot of plays on special teams he will have a shot to make the roster. Everyone seems to say that he has a really good work ethic so maybe he has a chance there.
mcallister3200
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May 14th, 2014 at 12:40:24 PM permalink
Idk if you can say he clearly is not good. He was defensive player of the year in the conference that supposedly has the best defense. He is clearly small and slow for the nfl from a measureables standpoint, so it may be like troy smith or gino toretta winning the heisman. He should get an opportunity to prove it in camp, which is all he deserves.
thecesspit
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May 14th, 2014 at 12:42:09 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

The media needs something to talk about. There is no story here but they can't very well lead with that.

I don't really know if the Rams will take any heat for cutting him. He is clearly not that good. Maybe if he makes a lot of plays on special teams he will have a shot to make the roster. Everyone seems to say that he has a really good work ethic so maybe he has a chance there.



Clearly not that good? He's the wrong size for NFL DE or OLB, but had a pretty good college career. I'm pretty sure he didn't get drafted because he was Out, but because he's the sort of developmental player you take late, put through paces and see what happens.

I don't expect him to be a standout, but he might be a rotational player and special teams specialist. He is, by all accounts, a workout star and athlete.

EDIT : Maybe CFL will have a place for him? Players tend to be smaller (but faster) there, and DE in the Great White North might work out for him.
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AxiomOfChoice
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May 14th, 2014 at 12:45:01 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

Idk if you can say he clearly is not good. He was defensive player of the year in the conference that supposedly has the best defense. He is clearly small and slow for the nfl from a measureables standpoint, so it may be like troy smith or gino toretta winning the heisman. He should get an opportunity to prove it in camp, which is all he deserves.



I think that 32 teams already said 6 times that he wasn't that good, and some of them said it a 7th time.

Quick, name someone else who was taken in the 7th round this year! No looking it up.

There is talent available everywhere in the draft, but college football is different from pro football, and absolutely everything that has ever been written about this guy points to him being a great college player who doesn't have what it takes to play in the pros. The guy basically dominated against weak opposition and got shut down when he played against good teams. Well, guess what, in the NFL, they are all good teams. Slow, undersized, and poor technique is not a good combination.
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May 14th, 2014 at 12:46:22 PM permalink
Quote: AxiomOfChoice

I will be shocked if he is on an NFL roster at the beginning of the season. And that has nothing to do with him being gay.



Wanna bet? I will be shocked if he doesn't. His combine numbers don't add up well.... but he played in the toughest conference, and made the football plays necessary to help his team be 5th in the nation. All the other SEC defensive players with 'better combine numbers' did not play as well as he did last year. I'll be seeing him this Saturday when he and my son graduate from Mizzou....
AxiomOfChoice
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May 14th, 2014 at 12:49:28 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Wanna bet? I will be shocked if he doesn't. His combine numbers don't add up well.... but he played in the toughest conference, and made the football plays necessary to help his team be 5th in the nation. All the other SEC defensive players with 'better combine numbers' did not play as well as he did last year. I'll be seeing him this Saturday when he and my son graduate from Mizzou....



I'll put $100 on it if you agree to payment being made by emailed amazon gift card.

To be clear, a practice squad is not an NFL roster. Injured reserve or PUP is not an NFL roster. I'm talking about the 53-man roster of an NFL team (doesn't have to be the Rams) on opening day.

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