Correlation between political ideas and belief in a betting system?
Quote: kubikulannHow civilized my country is. /q]
I especially like all the gang violence
in Amsterdam and Brussels. When you have
no guns to defend yourself, the gangs take
over. Real civilized, that."It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
It might not affect you. When you walk down the street and are not killed or robbed, who cares what the crime rate is? Prove to me how the crime rate affects you if you're not harmed directly.Quote: EvenBobIn terms of crime, Amsterdam is the most dangerous city in the Netherlands... according to the annual Crime Meter2 published last week by Dutch newspaper Algemeen Dagblad, Amsterdam is the country’s least safe city... Last year Amsterdam ranked fourth in a list of European capitals with the highest per capita number of murders and other unnatural deaths.. It addition, over the past decade or so many homicides took place in the criminal circuit — with criminals killing other criminals in turf wars or acts of revenge.
This is what happens when the criminals know
the public has no weapons. Sounds like a
wonderful place to live. http://www.dutchamsterdam.nl/162-amsterdam-livability
Sarcasm aside, you knew this before I doubt. Secondly it's all relative and you're not comparing it to the US which you should since you're attacking his country and their politics as the reason.
Quote: kubikulannSample proof? Or just your hunch?
Not that I make it a habit to concern myself with either the political opinions or gambling beliefs of others, but:
I know many on the "political left" who subscribe to gambling fallacies.
I know many on the "political right" who subscribe to gambling fallacies.
I know many on both sides of the political aisle who state that they do not subscribe to gambling fallacies, yet often their actions indicate otherwise.
I know many on both sides of the political aisle who state that they do not subscribe to gambling fallacies, and their actions substantiate those claims.
I also know just as many on each side of the political aisle who do not believe in gambling whatsoever.
As to "proof or hunches", you obviously do not know me, and it is highly doubtful that you have performed any preliminary research to ask the question.
"Burden of proof resides with the accuser"; in this particular circumstance, the "accuser" would be you.
Considering the content of your posts, one may easily conclude that your question has intentions other than receiving answers to the question itself.
Some possible intentions could include:
1. You wish to use your question as a backdoor attempt to insult Evenbob.
2. You wish to belittle those who hold a political viewpoint different than your own.
3. You wish to use this thread to identify the viewpoints of others.
Edited 01-19-2014 for clarification.
Quote: EvenBobHere's more from Belgium:
The law automatically assumes you consent to having your organs donated upon death.
Yes, that's definitely a "nanny" item.
But overall, which country demonstrates more respect for individual liberty? I'm not sure, but Belgium may be the winner.
True. Sorry, one cannot know everyone.Quote: rob45As to "proof or hunches", you obviously do not know me,
Come on, I am not "accusing" anyone. I wonder if there is more evidence one way or the other, and asking for evidence pro and contra. Your saying "I know many people" is not standard scientific sampling, is it? (NB I do make the mistake sometimes, too.)Quote: rob45Burden of proof resides with the accuser; in this particular circumstance, that would be you.
Quote: rob45Considering the content of your posts, one may easily conclude that your question has intentions other than receiving answers to the question itself.
Some possible intentions could include:
1. You wish to use your question as a backdoor attempt to insult Evenbob.
I want to make it clear that NO insults are intended. I don't know the guy. He likes bullying people that don't share his views and I am giving him some.
2. You wish to belittle those who hold a political viewpoint different than your own.
Even less. It would be rifdiculous, as nobody holds my viewpoint (alas). I wish to establish correlations between ideas and cognitive ability. Both ways. Many leftists are intellectually challenged, too.
3. You wish to use this thread to identify the viewpoints of others.
No.
I would if they were kind enough to join their views about betting systems together with their political viewpoints.
Not automatically. It just reverses the process of declaration. If you dissent, just let it be known. If you say nothing, then you consent.Quote: EvenBobThe law automatically assumes you consent to having your organs donated upon death.
In practice, they still ask the family, even when nothing has been declared.
Quote: gpac1377Yes, that's definitely a "nanny" item.
But overall, which country demonstrates more respect for individual liberty? I'm not sure, but Belgium may be the winner.
It's a winner all right, look at it's history.
"On the whole, the Belgian administrative system was very pliant and became an instrument of collaboration. In a 2007 report by the Centre for Historical Research, a panel of historians concluded that Belgium had offered "maximum administrative collaboration" to the German (Nazi) forces."
Belgium collaborated with the Nazi's in WWII. So many
Belgium men joined the German army they had two
whole divisions of them.
"Two divisions of the Waffen SS, the Flemish 27th SS "Langemarck" Division and the Walloon 28th SS "Wallonien" Division, were recruited from Belgium during the occupation." http://www.gutenberg-e.org/esk01/index.html
"The Belgian state collaborated actively with Nazi Germany in persecuting Jews before and during World War Two, according to a historical report commissioned by the country's Senate. "Docile Belgium", a three-year 1,114-page study by a panel of eminent historians, concludes the Belgian authorities anticipated and went beyond the demands of occupying German forces in segregating, rounding up and dispossessing Jews." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-436136/Extent-Belgian-collaboration-Nazis-revealed.html
Yeah, I'd be proud of Belgium too. I really hate
it when foreigners go out of their way to make
fun of our way of life here, when their closets
are full of nothing but rattling skeletons.
Quote: EvenBobYeah, I'd be proud of Belgium too. I really hate
it when foreigners go out of their way to make
fun of our way of life here, when their closets
are full of nothing but rattling skeletons.
For what it's worth, I'm an American making fun of our way of life here.
Quote: gpac1377For what it's worth, I'm an American making fun of our way of life here.
As is your right. Just don't from somewhere else
all smug and superior like you have nothing to
be ashamed of, and we do.
Come here sometime, to look at all those Nazis in the streets (without guns, though, sorry dude!)
Hum... I read somewhere that in free America it is allowed to negate the holocaust or sell and wear Nazi ornaments. Actually, there are more people doing that there than in whole Europe. Oh oh? Usually NOT liberals?
So what is the point? Is one more free because they have Nazi groups, as per the first amendment, or less free, as you seem to imply? 'm confused.
Quote: kubikulannHALT! We have a winner in the well-known "Hitler argument" game.
Yeah, lets just forget your glorious recent past,
just ignore it and it will go away. Hitler got rid
of all the guns in Germany too, and that sure
worked out well for them. And it wasn't a
game to the Belgium Jews when their own
countrymen rounded them up and put them
on the trains to the death camps.
I was going to quote some events in your more recent past (Mc Carthy, VietNam, Chile, ... NSA) but let's stop it. That is not the goal. I like America, I just don't like the Tea Party followers and that part of the GOP that ceased to think soundly and promoted people like Reagan or W Bush instead of more palatable persons.
Quote: kubikulannTo be sure: what are you calling 'recent'??
Recent is anytime within living memory of
people who are alive. There are thousands
of Holocaust survivors still around, haven't
you heard? You think this will go away when
they're all gone? Think about it next time
you want to make fun of the country who
came & liberated your sorry butts from Nazism.
You didn't reply on the China/North Korea/Saudi/Iran comparison. Why is that? Is the same reason at hand that you changed the subject to WWII?
Quote: kubikulann
"a list of European capitals": still much lower than in the US.
But the crime is still high in your Utopian state,
what does the US have to do with it. We didn't
tell you to ban guns or let all the riff raff from
other countries move to Belgium. You can't
blame the US for everything wrong with your
Utopia.
More guns ==> more murders.
Don't believe my word. Look up the facts.
Quote: kubikulannthen we are Right-wing Nazis responsible for the Holocaust.
You weren't responsible for it, but you sure
participated with a lot of pep and vigor. The
latest research says Belgium went far beyond
what was expected of them in routing the
Jews from their homes and sending them to
their deaths. But you keep looking down your
noses at the US, we understand. I'd be ashamed
too..
Quote: kubikulannLess guns ==> less murders,
More guns ==> more murders.
It means more murders with guns, because
guns are convenient. But Amsterdam and
Brussels prove you don't need guns to kill
people, there are all kinds of other ways.
Do you mean that you are still the bastards that exterminated the Native Indians? Damn! I thought the culpability had somehow worn away with time. But... I'm afraid you are turning liberal ... Are you advocating the change of name of the Redskins and such because You think this wont go away when they're all gone ?Quote: EvenBobYou think this will go away when they're all gone?
Thanks for the funny punching-ball discussion. No harm intended and none received. I kiss you.
lol Are you the Borat?Quote: kubikulannOK, time for bed.
Thanks for the funny punching-ball discussion. No harm intended and none received. I kiss you.
Quote: kubikulannDo you mean that you are still the bastards that exterminated the Native Indians?
So you justify what Belgium did with no remorse? Is
that what you're saying? The 'Hitler game', is that
what this is now in EU?
Extermination? There was no plan to exterminate
Native Americans in the US. Uproot them and move
them, yes, as in the Indian Removal Act of 1830. There
was never a plot for genocide of the Indians as there
was for the Jews in Europe. And our Indian situation
happened almost 200 years ago. There were atrocities
on both sides, but certainly no genocide.
The Holocaust happened in the modern era, there are
thousands in Belgium who are still alive who were
alive then. This isn't some great great grandfather in
the distant past, this is the fathers of current people
and those fathers are still here.
You have serious problems, this discussion gives me
the creeps. Shudder..
Quote: kubikulannNo harm intended and none received
You can't be serious. This discussion will get
no more replies from me. You're blocked.
Quote: EvenBobYou have serious problems, this discussion gives me
the creeps. Shudder..
Quote: EvenBobYou can't be serious. This discussion will get
no more replies from me. You're blocked.
Bob is actually a good poster in many threads.
This isn't one of them :(
Quote: EvenBobHere's more from Belgium:
The law automatically assumes you consent to having your organs donated upon death.
Will you really be needing yours after that?
Quote: Mission146Will you really be needing yours after that?
Now who would you think worthy of Bob's heart ?
Quote: Mission146Will you really be needing yours after that?
Do you really need your money and possessions
after you die? Just let the state take them, then.
Quote: EvenBobRecent is anytime within living memory of
people who are alive. There are thousands
of Holocaust survivors still around, haven't
you heard? You think this will go away when
they're all gone? Think about it next time
you want to make fun of the country who
came & liberated your sorry butts from Nazism.
I'd hardly suggest the television qualifies as a, "Recent," invention.
Quote: EvenBobDo you really need your money and possessions
after you die? Just let the state take them, then.
No, but my family might, and as long as they have first crack at my organs should they happen to need them in a manner simultaneous to my death,I'm good with it.
Quote: Mission146No, but my family might, and as long as they have first crack at my organs should they happen to need them in a manner simultaneous to my death,I'm good with it.
Your body is your body and you can have
done with it what you like, the state can't
just take it when you die. That's obscene.
Quote: Mission146I'd hardly suggest the television qualifies as a, "Recent," invention.
In fact, both TV and radio are incredibly recent inventions.
The steam engine is not. My wife's grandma died at 101
a couple years ago and she remembered when radio was
first available in the 20's. In historical terms, any event that
can be remembered by living people is recent. WWI is
no longer recent, there's nobody alive who remembers
it. WWII is, there are millions who were alive then and
are alive now.
In geological terms, they say the last Ice Age is very
recent. It's all a matter of perspective.
Quote: EvenBobWWII is
no longer recent, there's nobody alive who remembers it.
I think you meant WWI.
Quote: TwirdmanPutting aside the question of what is "recent" I think its a little offensive and disingenuous to say Belgium is evil and America is perfect because Belgium supported the Nazis.
It only came up because he was saying how
awful we are as a country and how wonderful
and perfect Belgium is. Just pointing out the
hypocrisy.
Quote: EvenBobIt only came up because he was saying how
awful we are as a country and how wonderful
and perfect Belgium is. Just pointing out the
hypocrisy.
So you bring up an event from 70 years ago to go nu-uh you guys are bad too. Every country has committed atrocities that does not mean their country is evil until every person who can remember the event are dead. And if it did all it would mean is basically every country is a monster since there have been plenty of atrocities committed in those time frames for basically any country.
Quote: EvenBobOMG, you're from BELGIUM!! No wonder your views
are so far Left, the Lib Mecca of EU. This is Belgium:
Abortion is legal.
Euthanasia is legal under certain circumstances.
Gay marriage is legal.
Drinking age is 16. For strong liqueur it is 18.
Drinking on the streets is legal.
Prostitution is legal.
Death sentence has been abolished.
Smoking in all public areas is banned.
Hand gun ownership is illegal
Swearing and nudity and even explicit sexual acts on public radio and television are not censored.
If this list is correct, it works for me. Apparently they have self-responsible adults in Belgium and don't need to treat their neighbors as if they were thoughtless children. That list is all about respecting the privacy of people while protecting their physical safety.
Quote: beachbumbabsIf this list is correct, it works for me. Apparently they have self-responsible adults in Belgium and don't need to treat their neighbors as if they were thoughtless children. That list is all about respecting the privacy of people while protecting their physical safety.
Yeah seriously sounds great. Still can't figure out how that list makes it a nanny state. I mean all of those are about being able to do what you want without government interference sounds like the exact opposite of a nanny state.
With the exception of the smoking, which is same as in US and the handguns. So somehow no matter your other laws once you ban handguns you become a nanny state in BoB world I guess.
Quote: EvenBobThis is Belgium:
Abortion is legal.
Euthanasia is legal under certain circumstances.
Gay marriage is legal.
Drinking age is 16. For strong liqueur it is 18.
Drinking on the streets is legal.
Prostitution is legal.
Death sentence has been abolished.
Smoking in all public areas is banned.
Hand gun ownership is illegal
Swearing and nudity and even explicit sexual acts on public radio and television are not censored.
Three cheers for Belgium! They must have some very smart people there. Sounds like in Belgium a adult can do what he wants as long as he isn't hurting anybody else. That is for me.
Quote: beachbumbabsI'm finding it amusing that EB "blocked" this thread then posted about 8 more times.!
Is it amusing? I said he was blocked, not the thread.
You really have to read more for content. Work on
that.
Quote: TwirdmanEvery country has committed atrocities
Not like the Holocaust.
Quote: beachbumbabs...and don't need to treat their neighbors as if they were thoughtless children.
Huh? That's exactly what American liberals do. On health care, smoking, minimum wage, trans fats, etc.
Quote: WizardSounds like in Belgium a adult can do what he wants
Except own a gun for protection against the high
crime rate. Only the criminals in Belgium have
guns, the public isn't allowed. Pity that..
Quote: Beethoven9thHuh? That's exactly what American liberals do. On health care, smoking, minimum wage, trans fats, etc.
Who says I'm a liberal OR a conservative? Or that I was contrasting the two? I think it's a disease of both, minding other people's business, whether in the bathroom or the kitchen. More an American disease, thinking behavior should be legislated. There's a difference between:
Ensuring a product contains no contaminants (proper gov't function) and banning it on the basis that it's not part of a "healthy" diet (not).
Asking people to die for their country at age 18 and not allowing them to drink until 21.
Abusing their position of authority by demanding sexual favors from an underling, and telling an off-color joke.
A hundred other hypocrises present in our society and our laws. Stop SOMEONE ELSE from doing that, even though it doesn't affect me at all. If I don't think it should be done, then NOBODY else should do it. etc. bleah. Give me Belgium. Or even America 40 years ago, where people stayed out of other people's business legislatively.
Quote: beachbumbabsOr even America 40 years ago, where people stayed out of other people's business legislatively.
There's a rosy view of a past that never existed..
Sorry, didn't mean to imply you were a liberal. I only mentioned that since liberals have been the ones in charge for 6 years.Quote: beachbumbabsWho says I'm a liberal OR a conservative? Or that I was contrasting the two?
Guess we agree on this. Banning trans fats is silly. I've been eating them occasionally for years, and I'm just fine.Quote: beachbumbabsEnsuring a product contains no contaminants (proper gov't function) and banning it on the basis that it's not part of a "healthy" diet (not).
I don't see a problem with this one. We don't have a draft anymore. If an 18-year-old doesn't want to fight for the country because he/she can't legally drink (even though we all know teenagers do anyway), then that's his/her prerogative.Quote: beachbumbabsAsking people to die for their country at age 18 and not allowing them to drink until 21.
Quote: beachbumbabs
Asking people to die for their country at age 18 and not allowing them to drink until 21.
Yeah, um, MI tried the experiment of letting 18
year old's drink a few decades ago. They were killing
themselves and others on the highways to such
a shocking degree that the law was repealed.
Letting the young and stupid drink legally is
never a good idea. If you research it, many
states lowered the drinking age in the 70's
to 18, and raised it to 21 again in the 80's.
Guess why.
Quote: EvenBobIt's a winner all right, look at it's history.
"On the whole, the Belgian administrative system was very pliant and became an instrument of collaboration. In a 2007 report by the Centre for Historical Research, a panel of historians concluded that Belgium had offered "maximum administrative collaboration" to the German (Nazi) forces."
Belgium collaborated with the Nazi's in WWII. So many
Belgium men joined the German army they had two
whole divisions of them.
"Two divisions of the Waffen SS, the Flemish 27th SS "Langemarck" Division and the Walloon 28th SS "Wallonien" Division, were recruited from Belgium during the occupation." http://www.gutenberg-e.org/esk01/index.html
"The Belgian state collaborated actively with Nazi Germany in persecuting Jews before and during World War Two, according to a historical report commissioned by the country's Senate. "Docile Belgium", a three-year 1,114-page study by a panel of eminent historians, concludes the Belgian authorities anticipated and went beyond the demands of occupying German forces in segregating, rounding up and dispossessing Jews." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-436136/Extent-Belgian-collaboration-Nazis-revealed.html
Yeah, I'd be proud of Belgium too. I really hate
it when foreigners go out of their way to make
fun of our way of life here, when their closets
are full of nothing but rattling skeletons.
Is this any different than the US supporting Iraq in the war on Iran? http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war
