Blacks in sports
Quote: FaceI dunno. In my 18ish years of hardball, I remember a lot of standing around. I mean a lot. I sweat more playing pond hockey in a Wisconsin winter than I ever did in any game of hardball, many times over. Weather being equal, I think hoops is even worse than football, even with the equipment. Hoops, at least how we played, is just non stop running, end to end, over and over. I think only soccer could be worse. I clearly remember almost fainting from heat stroke on the court many times. In hardball, I never once needed even splash my face with water.
Then again, I've never been known for stamina, and smashing a lineman at full speed once every 40 seconds is way easier for me than a slow jog over those same 40 seconds.
You know, you've got a point there. I never played baseball (only football), but it is a fact that there is a TON of standing around involved. Probably catchers sweat the most, given the constant up-and-down from the squat position. Eh, I give up on this discussion. AZDuffman, consider this my acquiescence :)
Quote:Anyways, hey! I made someone's sig line! ;)
Anti-commercialism always gets a big high-five from me! I have taken to putting my favorite recent quote from a member into my sig line. Your will probably last through holiday season.
Quote: MrVYou miss the point.
I ask: Why are a disproportionate amount of prisoners black?
Stated a bit differently: why are they so disenfranchised from the American Dream that they choose to commit a disproportionate amount of felonies?
That is the question.
I would say that what Buzzard is talking about is a lot closer to answering your question. Laws are passed by those in power to stop other people, especially people not in power, from doing things they don't want done. Laws are enforced and upheld by people in power. People in power in this country have historically been disproportionately white. "Snow" was for decades a high-society white indulgence, and many backroom deals were made to avoid felony convictions, arrests, or even exposure of drug use. (And I'm not speaking hypothetically, but from personal knowledge.) Crack users were an easy target, quickly stereotyped, certainly over-charged by amount as Buzz was explaining.
Laws are disproportionately enforced, from DWB, to unbalanced sentencing for bias, to presumption of guilt or innocence based on irrelevant factors, to financial bias in quality of representation, to lots of other socio-economic complexities and factors. There is massive evidence in studies as well as a common awareness in legal circles that this is the truth. The end result is governance and enforcement by perception and assumption. For example, the epitome of a "welfare queen" is a black woman with dependent children and no man in the house. The reality is the majority of welfare recipients are white. The perception is that a black man walking in a white neighborhood is a would-be criminal. A white man walking in a black neighborhood, OTOH, is either a door-to-door salesman or looking for drugs. Neither perception is necessarily correct, but most people would take the bet.
This is turning into a rant, so I'll quit there.
Quote: Face
There are some, and many have been or will be remembered as “Greats”. I’m sure the names Jerome Iginla, Donald Brashear, P. K. Subban, Grant Fuhr, and Johnny Oduya are recognizable to anyone with a modicum of interest in the NHL.
Shame on you, Face, for not mentioning Sabres favorite Mike Greer.
Quote: SOOPOOShame on you, Face, for not mentioning Sabres favorite Mike Greer.
I qualified with both "Greats" and "recognizable" ;)
And you can't call bias based on my Buffalo hatred; I did mention Grant Fuhr =)
Quote: MrV
Stated a bit differently: why are they so disenfranchised from the American Dream that they choose to commit a disproportionate amount of felonies?
That is the question.
For starters I would say that there is no expectation that they succeed in society. When "Black Leaders" keep getting up and telling them they cannot make it due to racism, etc many are going to listen. Of course it isn't just the so-called black leaders. There is no shortage of whites putting this line out as well.
It is nothing more than negative reinforcement. And it has built a culture that adores failure and bad behavior. The low-pants thing is imitating what you look like after they take your belt in the county slam. Surely most everyone here has heard of how blacks do not want to be told they are "acting white."
So much of black culture is in the crapper that prison might even be seen as a nice diversion, even a right of passage.
Quote: TomspurOh, and please add Fran Tarkenton to your list of the greats, thanks!
Ummmm.....you left out the greatest of them all......King James!??!?!?!?
Que the whaling :)
I was talking about the list of really smart NFL quarterbacks that got posted above my comment, but the person who posted them was different from the one I was answering in the body of my reply. My bad, but if it gave you a laugh, it's worth the gaffe.
Why is mickeycrimm calling people a-holes and still posting. He's a 60 yr. old old man and still talking about power drinking and being tough? Is/was he a black hockey player?
Quote: beachbumbabsUmmmm.....you left out the greatest of them all......King James!??!?!?!?
Que the whaling :)
I was talking about the list of really smart NFL quarterbacks that got posted above my comment, but the person who posted them was different from the one I was answering in the body of my reply. My bad, but if it gave you a laugh, it's worth the gaffe.
I went back and saw what you meant :)
My bad too
Easy to get all these sporting greats (who mostly happen to be black) wrong :)
Quote: tournamentkingWhy is mickeycrimm calling people a-holes and still posting. He's a 60 yr. old old man and still talking about power drinking and being tough?
I get the impression he is a reformed road tramp, an erstwhile hobo who has always enjoyed gambling, living life on the raw side, and not pulling any punches.
He may still hop freights for all I know.
Cut him some slack: he's got more interesting stories to tell than any others on this board.
Uncouth, rough edged, interesting.
I know what your saying is probably true however, so I have heard, in prison gay prisoners do it to show that they are ready for a sexual relationship with whoever is interested.Quote: AZDuffmanThe low-pants thing is imitating what you look like after they take your belt in the county slam.
Quote: AxelWolfSome people don't consider billiards, darts, chess, Xbox or poker a sport. I do love pool(it's been a while), I prefer eight ball, BCA or bar rules is fine. Before I was 21 that how I supported myself from small games. I got schooled when I moved up and over to the LV Cue Club. I think I asked if anone from Vegas plays pool anywhere. For fun of course
Mickey what are the chances you will show up in Vegas in Dec during operation mission nuggets? I can get you some rooms and comps. If its something your interested in. Beer pool and gambling sound fun.
Thanks for the offer, Axel, but I just don't have the desire to return to Las Vegas. As for whether pool is a sport or not I think I'll start a thread on pool.
Quote: AxelWolfI know what your saying is probably true however, so I have heard, in prison gay prisoners do it to show that they are ready for a sexual relationship with whoever is interested.
I've heard that as well. I've also heard that the sagging pants started not as a sign of sexual availability but as a sign of protest, i.e. when a prisoner is put on suicide watch, his belt is taken, and other inmates take theirs off as a sign of solidarity. Frankly, I'm not sure either of those explanations makes sense.
I've also heard that prison pants just sag naturally, and sagging pants is a sign of street cred, showing one has done time. Also sounds ridiculous. I don't know which one is right.
Quote: hwccdealer
I've also heard that prison pants just sag naturally, and sagging pants is a sign of street cred, showing one has done time. Also sounds ridiculous. I don't know which one is right.
I have toured a few prisons in NYS to bid on contract work. The pants the prisoners wore were very similar to the hunter-green pants many workers wear, so similar our tech had to wear different pants the day he did the service there. That kind of pants do not fit well, but they do not sag anything near what you see these gangbangers and rappers wearing.
But that is prison, not county slam where they take your belt. I buy the street-cred thing because it makes enough sense to be believable along with the fact that I have never heard a better reason given. Not that I care the reason, it still looks stupid.
Quote: MrV“The black is a better athlete to begin with because he’s been bred to be that way — because of his high thighs and big thighs that goes up into his back, and they can jump higher and run faster because of their bigger thighs. This goes back all the way to the Civil War when during the slave trading, the owner — the slave owner would breed his big black to his big woman so that he could have a big black kid.” --- Jimmy Snyder, aka Jimmy the Greek
I found this thread while scanning the forum contents and decided to offer some scientific clarity. My personal background in a previous life was in physiology, kinesiology, sports science, and coaching.
There are real physiological and physical differences that provide athletic advantages and disadvantages among the races. The cell density of black athletes is higher than that of caucasian athletes which makes them less buoyant. The high density shows itself in tone, definition, and yes, physical strength. When it comes to running and jumping or any sport requiring such they dominate, with some exceptions, because their ankle bone is placed more forward on the foot allowing the Achilles tendon a longer force arm to push off a surface. Also, most black athletes who excel in the running disciplines have "flat" feet providing more foot exterior.
World class athletes in most sports have certain specific physiological commonalities that give them real advantages over the very good competitive "varsity" competitor.
Swimmers are tall, at least 6'2" or more. Most are taller, i.e., Phelps is 6'4" and the shortest member of the American gold medal freestyle relay team. They are also more buoyant than the average individual and have much bigger vital capacity (amount of air their lungs can hold). Gymnasts, on the other hand, are small in stature with male participants rarely taller than 5'5" and weighing less than 135 lbs. Distance runners are usually slight in stature with a vital capacity in the range of 6 liters which allows for a lesser oxygen debt during competitions.
Regardless of the physical "gifts" athletes are born with, they still must train and work very hard to achieve that world class or professional level. I think it is important to also state that all athletes have a physiological or physical limit which is always unknown, and that is why they continue to strive to get better, stronger, and faster.
One other thing, there is no doubt that there are sociological differences that can effect race in sport, but in this country, those differences have narrowed considerably.
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Quote: tuttigymMy personal background in a previous life was
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Was there something in the content that one would feel offended by, or do you have knowledge that would refute some of the material presented? Is that cruelty to cats? Not my thing.
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Quote: tuttigymWhen it comes to running and jumping or any sport requiring such they dominate, with some exceptions, because their ankle bone is placed more forward on the foot allowing the Achilles tendon a longer force arm to push off a surface.
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Wow that's why my son and daughter, who have a black mother and a white father can run and jump better than me but not as good as their mother.
They only got half the ankle bone placed more forward.
Of course, being only half Jewish, my children only have one horn on their head and not two.
SMH, you just can't make this nonsense up!
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Was there something in the content that one would feel offended by, or do you have knowledge that would refute some of the material presented? Is that cruelty to cats? Not my thing.
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I was focusing on the “previous life” statement I was kind of asking if you meant that you believe you actually are experiencing your Nth life right now? Like you actually think you have been transferred a knowledge through time and space? I’m just really high and maybe it’s some kind of colloquialism that people say idk
