Should the FDA ban trans fats?
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November 11th, 2013 at 11:32:27 PM
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Should the FDA ban trans fats?
Whichever way you answer...I do find it ironic that the people who want to ban trans fats because they're bad for you are the same people who want to legalize marijuana because of the freedom to choose.
Whichever way you answer...I do find it ironic that the people who want to ban trans fats because they're bad for you are the same people who want to legalize marijuana because of the freedom to choose.
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November 11th, 2013 at 11:34:44 PM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
November 11th, 2013 at 11:47:44 PM
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Trans fats? I thought the government position on health was to ban the night air.Quote: Beethoven9thShould the FDA ban trans fats?
November 11th, 2013 at 11:57:25 PM
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Is there a market to smuggle and sell trans fat if they ban it? I barely care enough to comment.
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November 12th, 2013 at 12:04:58 AM
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
November 12th, 2013 at 3:07:44 AM
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Almost 20 years ago this was a joke.
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November 12th, 2013 at 4:37:44 AM
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Transfattyacids, chocolate, spicy foods...Quote: AZDuffman
I've got the solution.
I smuggle saline solution... no matter what you want to shoot up.. you need to pay me!
November 12th, 2013 at 7:29:29 AM
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Of course they should be banned. Why rob a Washington bureaucrat the opportunity to "make a difference"....... the sun rises and sets in Washington
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November 12th, 2013 at 9:28:16 AM
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Banning transfat is probably something the government could get away with as the fat industry doesn't have a pull in Washington.
Most transfats can be easily substituted for today. Crisco changed their formulation. And transfats are bad for you.
So get rid of them.
Most transfats can be easily substituted for today. Crisco changed their formulation. And transfats are bad for you.
So get rid of them.
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November 12th, 2013 at 9:39:41 AM
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Transfats arose as a substitute for something that people thought was bad for you. Now that it is known that transfats are actually worse than butter and other animal fats, and there are better alternatives, there is no reason to consider transfats as generally safe for consumption. They aren't.
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November 12th, 2013 at 9:43:15 AM
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Quote: boymimboBanning transfat is probably something the government could get away with as the fat industry doesn't have a pull in Washington.
Most transfats can be easily substituted for today. Crisco changed their formulation. And transfats are bad for you.
So get rid of them.
I actually agree with you. I just disagree that the government needs to get involved. Let the market phase out trans fats.
Like I said in the OP, I find it ironic that many of the people who want to ban trans fats want to legalize marijuana. Trans fats are no worse for you than marijuana or even alcohol, for that matter.
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November 12th, 2013 at 9:49:45 AM
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There is no reason for the "market" to phase out transfats, just as there is no reason for the "market" to make safe cars, or no reason for you not to put a fence around your pool. Regulation sometimes is the only way to enforce safety.
Transfats have the convenience factor (still) of being meltable at room temperature and still have some taste advantages, plus they are less expensive to produce. And some of the public is ignorant of the health risks.
Transfats have the convenience factor (still) of being meltable at room temperature and still have some taste advantages, plus they are less expensive to produce. And some of the public is ignorant of the health risks.
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November 12th, 2013 at 9:56:42 AM
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Quote: boymimboThere is no reason for the "market" to phase out transfats, just as there is no reason for the "market" to make safe cars, or no reason for you not to put a fence around your pool. Regulation sometimes is the only way to enforce safety.
...And some of the public is ignorant of the health risks.
You just gave a great argument as to why we should ban cigarettes and not legalize marijuana.
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November 12th, 2013 at 10:28:32 AM
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We should ban cigarettes, of course!!! Governments are too hooked on the revenue and like to back-load health care costs. My guess is if cigarettes were banned the retirement age would have to go up to 72 or so just to pay out pensions.
I don't support the legalization of marijuana either, and I live in Canada.
I don't support the legalization of marijuana either, and I live in Canada.
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November 12th, 2013 at 11:23:43 AM
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Quote: Beethoven9thI Trans fats are no worse for you than marijuana or even alcohol, for that matter.
teach us teacher.....lol
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November 12th, 2013 at 11:26:30 AM
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Quote: treetopbuddyteach us teacher.....lol
For starters, trans-fats don't give you the urge to smoke marijuana.
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November 12th, 2013 at 11:29:11 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanFor starters, trans-fats don't give you the urge to smoke marijuana.
you lost me Reagan
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November 12th, 2013 at 11:33:13 AM
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Quote: treetopbuddyyou lost me Reagan
Think about it the other way around.
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November 12th, 2013 at 11:35:53 AM
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Quote: AZDuffmanThink about it the other way around.
O.K.....got it.....a little slow on the uptake.
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November 12th, 2013 at 11:47:18 AM
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Blame it all on Crisco, one of the great success stories
of the 20th century. Now transfats are in everything,
they don't have to list them in the ingredients if it's
under half a gram per serving. So if the serving is
a tablespoon, and you ate 10 tablespoons, you're
getting a lot of transfat and don't think you're getting
any.
of the 20th century. Now transfats are in everything,
they don't have to list them in the ingredients if it's
under half a gram per serving. So if the serving is
a tablespoon, and you ate 10 tablespoons, you're
getting a lot of transfat and don't think you're getting
any.
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November 12th, 2013 at 11:58:11 AM
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Yes, "The War on Trans Fat".....has a certain ring. I can see the TFA (trans fat agents) repelling from helicopters over a Crisco plant in full riot gear.
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November 12th, 2013 at 11:59:14 AM
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Quote: AZDuffman
But Taco Bell won the franchise wars. I don't know what to believe anymore :(
November 12th, 2013 at 12:52:08 PM
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I think we should make Thalidomide available over the counter.
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November 12th, 2013 at 3:23:09 PM
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Fair enough. At least you're consistent, so I gotta give you props for that.Quote: boymimboWe should ban cigarettes, of course!!! Governments are too hooked on the revenue and like to back-load health care costs. My guess is if cigarettes were banned the retirement age would have to go up to 72 or so just to pay out pensions.
I don't support the legalization of marijuana either, and I live in Canada.
I just did. ;)Quote: treetopbuddyteach us teacher.....lol
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November 12th, 2013 at 3:53:47 PM
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Quote: EvenBobBlame it all on Crisco, one of the great success stories
of the 20th century. Now transfats are in everything,
they don't have to list them in the ingredients if it's
under half a gram per serving. So if the serving is
a tablespoon, and you ate 10 tablespoons, you're
getting a lot of transfat and don't think you're getting
any.
There we go... if you can't make informed choice, there's a problem. If you can, you decide whether the public should make informed choice or the public health is threat is so high that an outright legal ban is required. Obviously, some folks don't agree with the words 'public health' at all, and take door number one every time any ways.
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November 12th, 2013 at 4:32:22 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9thI do find it ironic that the people who want to ban trans fats because they're bad for you are the same people who want to legalize marijuana.
That would describe me :-).
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November 12th, 2013 at 4:58:33 PM
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Quote: WizardThat would describe me :-).Quote: Beethoven9thI do find it ironic that the people who want to ban trans fats because they're bad for you are the same people who want to legalize marijuana.
Uh oh...I'm banned. lol :)
(J/K)
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November 12th, 2013 at 7:35:50 PM
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Transfats have absolutely no medical benefit and they are no longer required given the advancements in combining oils to get something resembling the performance of transfats.
Marijuana has tons of medicinal benefits and is natural. So do derivatives of cocaine and heroin. I'm strongly for medicinal marijuana, strongly against public marijuana. And since marijuana can be heavily taxed and controlled and would eliminate grow-ops and other illegal grow operations and has little effect on public health (unlike cigarettes), I see it being legalized very soon, once the government figures out how to distribute it legally.
Marijuana has tons of medicinal benefits and is natural. So do derivatives of cocaine and heroin. I'm strongly for medicinal marijuana, strongly against public marijuana. And since marijuana can be heavily taxed and controlled and would eliminate grow-ops and other illegal grow operations and has little effect on public health (unlike cigarettes), I see it being legalized very soon, once the government figures out how to distribute it legally.
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November 12th, 2013 at 8:55:25 PM
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In other words, "it's not good for you" = "break out the black helicopters, boys, we got another one."
No. We've been down this road twice before, and look where it's gotten us. Maybe the government should lay down some tax penalties, or stricter labeling requirements, or put out an education campaign, all as with cigarettes, but not a ban. It's working with cigarettes - they're not totally gone, and they probably never will be, but they're not nearly as socially acceptable as they once were, and alternatives are ever gaining ground. And to be honest, I wouldn't want them gone.
No. We've been down this road twice before, and look where it's gotten us. Maybe the government should lay down some tax penalties, or stricter labeling requirements, or put out an education campaign, all as with cigarettes, but not a ban. It's working with cigarettes - they're not totally gone, and they probably never will be, but they're not nearly as socially acceptable as they once were, and alternatives are ever gaining ground. And to be honest, I wouldn't want them gone.
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November 13th, 2013 at 9:52:21 AM
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WTF are trans fats? Outside of the food Nazis, does anybody really care?
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November 13th, 2013 at 10:23:19 AM
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Quote: boymimbo
Marijuana has tons of medicinal benefits and is natural. I'm strongly for medicinal marijuana, strongly against public marijuana. .
Allrightythen
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November 13th, 2013 at 11:00:09 AM
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Quote: boymimboI'm strongly for medicinal marijuana, strongly against public marijuana.
What is public marijuana? Recreational use? if so, how medically messed up does someone have to be to qualify them for the okay, medical marijuana? I have a headache, I think I'll smoke a joint or do you have to have bigger medical issues?
November 13th, 2013 at 11:10:44 AM
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Quote: AlanWhat is public marijuana? Recreational use? if so, how medically messed up does someone have to be to qualify them for the okay, medical marijuana? I have a headache, I think I'll smoke a joint or do you have to have bigger medical issues?
At first, I thought boymimbo was saying" pubic" marijuana.....a strain I hadn't heard of...... but no he's talking "public" marijuana. Maybe non-military marijuana?
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November 13th, 2013 at 11:58:27 AM
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The real evil isn't any kind of fat, it's sugar. I'm not for banning naturally occurring substances, but I wish the Sugar Industry didn't exist. It's poison, and that poison is in just about EVERYTHING.
November 13th, 2013 at 12:22:15 PM
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Oreos survived the elimination of trans fats. If Oreos can survive, anything can.
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November 13th, 2013 at 12:29:15 PM
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Oroes are the best selling cookie in the world. In 1997 the press was all about the pig lard being replaced to make them healthier.
Actually in 1997 Oroe's became kosher.
Actually in 1997 Oroe's became kosher.
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November 13th, 2013 at 12:29:28 PM
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Quote: ewjones080The real evil isn't any kind of fat, it's sugar. I'm not for banning naturally occurring substances, but I wish the Sugar Industry didn't exist. It's poison, and that poison is in just about EVERYTHING.
Pretty much. Sugar has no nutritional value, we don't
need to eat it. And didn't eat very much of it till modern
times. Type 2 diabetes was almost unknown 100 years
ago, now it's an epidemic.
I've said here before, I quit eating sugar 40 years ago. I
was on some special diet that was all raw foods, no meat,
no sugar, no processed crap. I did it for 3 months and then
was at some lecture where they had glazed donuts. I always
loved them and so I ate three in about 10min and ended
up in the hospital. My pancreas was so not used to refined
carbs by then, eating that much pure sugar in 10min rammed
so much insulin into my system that I passed out.
I researched sugar and never touched it again. I got small
amounts in things like bread, but never ate anything where sugar
was in the first 5 ingredients. I'm approaching my mid 60's and
every year my bloodwork has the same numbers. My doctor
never talks to me about anything because there's nothing to say
except 'see you next year'.
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November 13th, 2013 at 12:31:53 PM
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My sources say bob's doctor wears garlic around his neck for Bob's appointment.
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November 13th, 2013 at 12:35:06 PM
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Quote: BuzzardMy sources say bob's doctor wears garlic around his neck for Bob's appointment.
I ate a lot of garlic 20 years ago. I got minced garlic
by the quart at food auctions and ate it with every
meal. I had to stop because people would see me
coming and go the other way. Like riding a public
bus in Rome in July, the garlic stench makes you hang
your head out the window.
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November 13th, 2013 at 12:43:06 PM
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A falling knife has no handle.
November 13th, 2013 at 12:48:28 PM
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"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
November 13th, 2013 at 12:50:30 PM
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Damn it Bob. First you ruin my baiters trap. And now this. It was my and Mission's back up plan if he felt he was losing.
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November 13th, 2013 at 12:58:19 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9thShould the FDA ban trans fats?
Whichever way you answer...I do find it ironic that the people who want to ban trans fats because they're bad for you are the same people who want to legalize marijuana because of the freedom to choose.
That's a pretty all encompassing broad brush your using, don't you think?
November 13th, 2013 at 12:58:23 PM
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Good one Bob.
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November 13th, 2013 at 1:01:35 PM
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You're right. Let me fix that:Quote: petroglyphThat's a pretty all encompassing broad brush your using, don't you think?
MOST of the people who want to ban trans fats because they're bad for you are the same people who want to legalize marijuana because of the freedom to choose to do whatever they want with their bodies.
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November 13th, 2013 at 1:16:04 PM
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I'm surprised I can't find a comprehensive list of bans somewhere on the Internet. The Internet has failed.
People usually make lists for everything. (I found specific ones but not general all purpose ones)
People usually make lists for everything. (I found specific ones but not general all purpose ones)
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November 13th, 2013 at 1:16:22 PM
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" MOST of the people who want to ban trans fats because they're bad for you are the same people who want to legalize marijuana because of the freedom to choose to do whatever they want with their bodies. "
And you know this to be true because ?
And you know this to be true because ?
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November 13th, 2013 at 1:34:18 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9thYou're right. Let me fix that:
MOST of the people who want to ban trans fats because they're bad for you are the same people who want to legalize marijuana because of the freedom to choose to do whatever they want with their bodies.
I don't get the correlation but I'll just assume your generally correct.
My understanding on the Crisco is Big Ag found a way to make more money and even back then were able to influence the FDA into having the opinion that it was better for people than lard or butter. It turns out the opposite is true. Good lard is delicious to fry in. I always thought it a sinful pleasure after the brainwashing I had in my youth. The human body assimilates lard or butter much easier than Crisco.
I think there should be truth in labeling. It's ironic to me that China is exporting food to the west, turns out much of it is tainted with poison. Even the dog treats are killing dogs. Baby formula killing baby's. Turns out a big smuggled product into China is clean baby formula from Britain. It just isn't right to be able to put poison in food and sell it to people that don't know.
As far as the marijuana topic, versus cigarettes. I think your assuming all marijuana used is smoked. The primary means of use for medical marijuana is by eating it after being infused in butter or oil. It seems almost every day some reputable doctor is coming to the conclusion there are valid medical uses for mj.
It's just more propaganda about the money powers wanting to control everything. Dupont was the oligarch that got mj banned in the US after he discovered nylon for rope. Did you know that Henry Ford made a car and fueled it from mj? Hemp is a fabulous product. Legalizing hemp would save a lot of trees, and I'm no tree hugger. Wasn't the constitution written on hemp paper?
Sugar as Bob said is one of the most dangerous food products out there. Primitive man didn't have tooth decay until they started eating grains. People are usually attracted to the path of least effort, for sure.
November 13th, 2013 at 1:46:52 PM
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...because I know liberals like the back of my hand. ;)Quote: Buzzard" MOST of the people who want to ban trans fats because they're bad for you are the same people who want to legalize marijuana because of the freedom to choose to do whatever they want with their bodies. "
And you know this to be true because ?
The correlation is that liberals always sanctimoniously talk about "freedom of choice" when it comes to legalizing marijuana. (Yes, I do realize that there are other arguments in favor of legalizing pot, but this argument is used often by libs) Liberals also use the "freedom of choice" argument when it comes to keeping abortion legal.Quote: petroglyphI don't get the correlation...
Yet when it comes to trans fats and large sodas, they don't believe in "freedom of choice" at all, and they seek to ban them. In other words, libs no longer believe that you should be able to do whatever you want with your body, and they become exactly like the type of zealots which they love to accuse conservatives of being.
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November 13th, 2013 at 1:54:40 PM
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..because I know liberals like the back of my hand. ;)
Like this liberal ?
Last month Cuccinelli asked the United States Supreme Court to rule that consensual oral and anal sex between gay and heterosexual couples be re-criminalized because he considers them crimes against nature.
Like this liberal ?
Last month Cuccinelli asked the United States Supreme Court to rule that consensual oral and anal sex between gay and heterosexual couples be re-criminalized because he considers them crimes against nature.
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