National Felony League
1. Almost one player arrested for a felony per week
2. Almost one player per team, statistically, arrested for a felony
3. Given a 45 man roster this is nearly 2% of players
It didn't used to be nearly this bad. The NBA seems to have problems but as they said on the radio the NHL and MLB not nearly so bad.
Why do you think there is so much more criminal behavior in the NFL/NBA? And how long until people start tuning out? I'm watching far less and this is one reason, am I alone? What will it take to make it get better--one idea I have is start taking draft picks and salary cap room from teams where players get arrested, let them figure it at local level maybe?
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Why do you think there is so much more criminal behavior in the NFL/NBA?
Name some names, who are they.
Quote: EvenBobName some names, who are they.
here is a partial list
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Yup, thats them all right. Thats a partial list.
Thanks.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: AZDuffman
Yup, thats them all right. Thats a partial list.
Thanks.
Hopefully they have more paper to write more names, my guess is there will be more soon.
Remember, folks, this is the league that said this on Rush Limbaugh's bid to invest in a franchise"
"I've said many times before, we're all held to a high standard here," Goodell told reporters, via the New York Times."I would not want to see those comments coming from people who are in a responsible position in the NFL –- absolutely not."
So criminal behavior is fine, just don't say anything not approved by the left.
No wonder I didn't even watch the Super Bowl this year.
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Hopefully they have more paper to write more names, my guess is there will be more soon.
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Look forward to seeing them.
Role models?
You gotta be kidding.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: EvenBobQuote: AZDuffman
Yup, thats them all right. Thats a partial list.
Thanks.
Hopefully they have more paper to write more names, my guess is there will be more soon.
Remember, folks, this is the league that said this on Rush Limbaugh's bid to invest in a franchise"
"I've said many times before, we're all held to a high standard here," Goodell told reporters, via the New York Times."I would not want to see those comments coming from people who are in a responsible position in the NFL –- absolutely not."
So criminal behavior is fine, just don't say anything not approved by the left.
No wonder I didn't even watch the Super Bowl this year.
Wow are you deluded. Since when has the NFL said criminal behavior is fine? What planet do you live on? What criminal behavior does the NFL condone?
I find the Aaron Hernandez situation very disturbing. Any murder is disturbing. And you actually think the NFL condones this? Ridiculous.
Goodell is actually very very tough when it comes to criminal behavior.
What criminal behavior does the NFL condone in your eyes ?????????????
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Wow are you deluded. Since when has the NFL said criminal behavior is fine? What planet do you live on? What criminal behavior does the NFL condone?
I find the Aaron Hernandez situation very disturbing. Any murder is disturbing. And you actually think the NFL condones this? Ridiculous.
Goodell is actually very very tough when it comes to criminal behavior.
What criminal behavior does the NFL condone in your eyes ?????????????
Well lets see, you can run a dogfighting ring or shoot yourself in a nightclub and you get a 4 game suspension. We could make a list of what else. So it seems criminal behavior is not that big of a deal.
Quote: MrVI care more about what an NFL player does on the field than off.
And that sums up the problem 100%!
Quote: AZDuffmanWell lets see, you can run a dogfighting ring or shoot yourself in a nightclub and you get a 4 game suspension. We could make a list of what else. So it seems criminal behavior is not that big of a deal.
And that sums up the problem 100%!
Wow, lets say you broke the law. Ok, found guilty. Served your time. Now according to you, completely unemployable. How does one survive when you get out?
Quote: terapinedWow, lets say you broke the law. Ok, found guilty. Served your time. Now according to you, completely unemployable. How does one survive when you get out?
Completely unemployable? Hard but not totally. Lets look at it another way. I have to pass a criminal background check to be employed. A dealer in a casino also must, along with any number of professions where trust is needed.
The NFL claims to want to be at some high standard. But do any crime and you merely sit out 4 games.
And get into a public discussion about a player's personal behavior and someone will say, "yeah, but he is good!"
I expect a higher standard where the average salary is > $1MM per year.
Quote: AZDuffmanI expect a higher standard where the average salary is > $1MM per year.
Why is that?
Most minimum wage jobs require prospective employees to pass a drug test, but high end white collar jobs (e.g. POTUS, CEO of a Fortune 500 corp, USSC justice) do not.
Having enough money often gives one a bye, dontchathink?
Quote: AZDuffmanI expect a higher standard where the average salary is > $1MM per year.
LOL! Higher? How about just a standard?
I shoot myself in a bar and that’s like 3rd degree criminal possession of a firearm. You cannot carry in a bar. I lose my job for good.
Quote: MrVWhy is that?
Most minimum wage jobs require prospective employees to pass a drug test, but high end white collar jobs (e.g. POTUS, CEO of a Fortune 500 corp, USSC justice) do not.
Having enough money often gives one a bye, dontchathink?
Hmmm, not sure where you get this information. Corporate Officers generally are well-vetted and have high standards of what they are allowed to do or not do. Celebrity spokespeople have clauses on being fired for damaging the brand. However, if you make your money on your own then you are free to behave as you wish. As it should be.
Quote: AZDuffmanCompletely unemployable? Hard but not totally. Lets look at it another way. I have to pass a criminal background check to be employed. A dealer in a casino also must, along with any number of professions where trust is needed.
The NFL claims to want to be at some high standard. But do any crime and you merely sit out 4 games.
And get into a public discussion about a player's personal behavior and someone will say, "yeah, but he is good!"
I expect a higher standard where the average salary is > $1MM per year.
In jobs where a lot of money and trust is involved, yes, criminal background check is important. On the other end of the spectrum are jobs where trust is meaningless such as manual labor. How fast can you run and catch a ball, looks manual in my eyes.
As for the NFL claims to be of high standard, its a bs snow job. These guys are in the lucrative sports entertainment business. Its a small club of billionaire owners. Some of these privileged few didn't like Rush. Oh well. I don't like rush, I wouldn't let him in my club either. Its a free country. Me and the NFL are free to be anti-rush. What a great country
Quote: terapinedIn jobs where a lot of money and trust is involved, yes, criminal background check is important. On the other end of the spectrum are jobs where trust is meaningless such as manual labor. How fast can you run and catch a ball, looks manual in my eyes.
As for the NFL claims to be of high standard, its a bs snow job. These guys are in the lucrative sports entertainment business. Its a small club of billionaire owners. Some of these privileged few didn't like Rush. Oh well. I don't like rush, I wouldn't let him in my club either. Its a free country. Me and the NFL are free to be anti-rush. What a great country
Not just manual labor. NFL players are the face of the league. Like when I was in the pest control industry we stressed to our techs that they WERE the company to the customer. On top of this, NFL players do all kinds of publicity work. Many if not most do some kind of community outreach and goodwill.
Yes, they are a club and are free to be anti-whatever they want to be. They should realize, however, that they are turning certain people off when they do that.
Quote: AZDuffmanNot just manual labor. NFL players are the face of the league. Like when I was in the pest control industry we stressed to our techs that they WERE the company to the customer. On top of this, NFL players do all kinds of publicity work. Many if not most do some kind of community outreach and goodwill.
Yes, they are a club and are free to be anti-whatever they want to be. They should realize, however, that they are turning certain people off when they do that.
Bottom line is that this is the sports entertainment business. Its huge, its big time but in the end its a business. Every decision the NFL makes, its 1st consideration is the bottom line. In a way its just like any other business. Its about money. Lets take the Philadelphia market. The NFL Eagles crunches the Vick numbers, 50K dog fans in the area angry, 5 mil area fans excited. Its simple math. cmon, you are on the right should know, the NFL is about MONEY.
Quote: AZDuffmanNot just manual labor. NFL players are the face of the league. On top of this, NFL players do all kinds of publicity work. Many if not most do some kind of community outreach and goodwill.
You seem to be implying that people who have committed a crime and served out their assigned punishment are now worse than the rest of us, or not worthy to be the face of any organization, or that it's even not right for them to do community outreach and goodwill.
Seriously?
Quote: AZDuffmanI expect a higher standard where the average salary is > $1MM per year.
Hmm. But why single out NFL, it's a tiny fraction of the population. What about a perpetual earnings cap for anyone who goes through the system? Like, $5MM/yr minus $1M/class for infractions, $500k/yr minus $100k per class for misdemeanors, $50k/yr minus $10k per class for felonies.
Either they are less than citizens, or they aren't. If they are, add reduction to permanent resident status to criminal penalties. If they aren't, then it shouldn't make any difference.
I see not hiring a person convicted of embezzlement as an accountant, a person suspected of a violent crime as an enforcement officer, a person with several contacts named Abdul on their facebook account as an airplane pilot, a person with a facebook account as an intelligence officer.
These are background checks to avoid putting people in convenient positions to commit an offense they have a known propensity towards. So yes, if a football player's crime involved maiming people with a ball, they totally shouldn't be allowed on the field again.
Hockey. Gentlemen only =)
1) It will be supporting Obamacare.
2) Many NFL players support gay marriage.
3) The league despises conservatives. (Remember their reaction when Rush Limbaugh said he wanted to own an NFL team?)
In other words, the NFL is doing everything "right" in the media's eyes.
Quote: terapinedBottom line is that this is the sports entertainment business
Back in the day (like 1998) Sports Entertainment meant Professional Wrestling.
Oh dear.... if NFL is 'sports entertainment', it's doomed. Personally, I think the Commisioner of NFL and the NHL need a stiff kick in the behind out of their jobs.
Quote: P90a person with several contacts named Abdul on their facebook account as an airplane pilot, .
You had me until this, my man.
Quote: P90You seem to be implying that people who have committed a crime and served out their assigned punishment are now worse than the rest of us, or not worthy to be the face of any organization, or that it's even not right for them to do community outreach and goodwill.
Seriously?
What I am saying is that a league that says "divisive comments have no place" then lets any felon back after a 4 game suspension is a joke as far as caring about their image. The next thing that will happen is some player will be fined or otherwise punished for bot supporting the gay agenda the NFL is going to push. The league will say "such behavior and comments will not be tolerated." Then they will let the next felon off with a 4 game suspension.
Quote:Hmm. But why single out NFL, it's a tiny fraction of the population. What about a perpetual earnings cap for anyone who goes through the system? Like, $5MM/yr minus $1M/class for infractions, $500k/yr minus $100k per class for misdemeanors, $50k/yr minus $10k per class for felonies.
Why would we legislate something like this? That is silly. The issue I brought up is the league acts as though they want a high personal standard in their players but they have anything but.
Quote:I see not hiring a person convicted of embezzlement as an accountant, a person suspected of a violent crime as an enforcement officer, a person with several contacts named Abdul on their facebook account as an airplane pilot, a person with a facebook account as an intelligence officer.
These are background checks to avoid putting people in convenient positions to commit an offense they have a known propensity towards. So yes, if a football player's crime involved maiming people with a ball, they totally shouldn't be allowed on the field again.
Again, "the field" is only part of the job. You are falling into the "he can do whatever he wants because 'he's good'" mentality.
Do you think the media and the NFL have been in contact with each other about what programs the NFL should support or did the NFL, fearing criticism from the media, go to a website where the media lists all of the proper policy positions that are required to avoid criticism? Do you have a link for any of this?Quote: Beethoven9thThe NFL will never be criticized by the media because:
1) It will be supporting Obamacare.
2) Many NFL players support gay marriage.
3) The league despises conservatives. (Remember their reaction when Rush Limbaugh said he wanted to own an NFL team?)
In other words, the NFL is doing everything "right" in the media's eyes.
Quote: s2dbakerDo you think the media and the NFL have been in contact with each other about what programs the NFL should support or did the NFL, fearing criticism from the media, go to a website where the media lists all of the proper policy positions that are required to avoid criticism? Do you have a link for any of this?
A "list" is not needed nor do they require contact with each other. A reasonably intelligent person sees what the media gives "push" to and can follow and give their own "push" to get good publicity. An example is since the 1970s the media has given "push" to black QBs, so the NFL gives its own "push" the same way (NOTE: this is why the league attacked Limbaugh when he pointed out the media "push" that all saw but few pointed out.) Breast Cancer is a media favorite, look at all the pink in the NFL in October.
The next thing will be gays and Obamacare. The NFL has already gotten on the Obamacare train in an official capacity. The gay push will be more indirect but still there for everyone to see.
Did you never notice this?
It's such a strange world that you conservatives live within. Everything is a conspiracy!Quote: AZDuffmanA "list" is not needed nor do they require contact with each other. A reasonably intelligent person sees what the media gives "push" to and can follow and give their own "push" to get good publicity. An example is since the 1970s the media has given "push" to black QBs, so the NFL gives its own "push" the same way (NOTE: this is why the league attacked Limbaugh when he pointed out the media "push" that all saw but few pointed out.) Breast Cancer is a media favorite, look at all the pink in the NFL in October.
The next thing will be gays and Obamacare. The NFL has already gotten on the Obamacare train in an official capacity. The gay push will be more indirect but still there for everyone to see.
Did you never notice this?
Quote: Beethoven9thThe NFL will never be criticized by the media because:
1) It will be supporting Obamacare.
2) Many NFL players support gay marriage.
3) The league despises conservatives. (Remember their reaction when Rush Limbaugh said he wanted to own an NFL team?)
In other words, the NFL is doing everything "right" in the media's eyes.
Ridiculous, Its about the money. Take Foxnews, they will never criticize the NFL because Fox makes tons of money broadcasting the NFL. Foxnews is against Obamacare, gays and liberals yet Foxnews wont criticize the NFL. Its the MONEY.
By the way I rate news companies on how they report on the criminal organization known as scientology. Foxnews are a bunch of wimps when it comes to scientology, no balls. A lot news organizations have balls, Not Foxnews.
Quote: s2dbakerIt's such a strange world that you conservatives live within. Everything is a conspiracy!
The media getting together to give push to what they like and bury what they don't? It isn't a conspiracy if it is true!
Quote: AZDuffman(NOTE: this is why the league attacked Limbaugh when he pointed out the media "push" that all saw but few pointed out.)
Limbaugh, former, but now disgruntled (Media/NFL commentator) employee.
Quote:Did you never notice this?
Yes, I have noticed this weird nexus of political talking head, and anti-NFL/sports media stuff.
Quote: AZDuffmanA "list" is not needed nor do they require contact with each other. A reasonably intelligent person sees what the media gives "push" to and can follow and give their own "push" to get good publicity.
+1
Quote: terapinedRidiculous, Its about the money.
Don't know whose post you were reading, but none of the things I mentioned were "about the money". Instead, they're all about "political correctness".
Quote: Beethoven9thDon't know whose post you were reading, but none of the things I mentioned were "about the money". Instead, they're all about "political correctness".
The point I was making was that posters said the media wont criticize the NFL because the media supports the NFL's liberal views. Fox News is part of the media and they support non-liberal viewpoints but they refuse to criticize the NFL also. Why wont Foxnews criticize the liberal NFL??? Its because Fox makes too much money from broadcasting the NFL.
Do you have any other source other than Daily Caller? Daily Caller is the group that paid hookers to say that they slept with the New Jersey Senator, Bob Menendez. If they are willing to do that then they will say just about anything. I'd sooner trust the Weekly World News than Daily Caller.Quote: AZDuffmanThe media getting together to give push to what they like and bury what they don't? It isn't a conspiracy if it is true!
Quote: s2dbakerDo you have any other source other than Daily Caller? Daily Caller is the group that paid hookers to say that they slept with the New Jersey Senator, Bob Menendez. If they are willing to do that then they will say just about anything. I'd sooner trust the Weekly World News than Daily Caller.Quote: AZDuffmanThe media getting together to give push to what they like and bury what they don't? It isn't a conspiracy if it is true!
The fact that the Wright story was buried has not been disputed no matter who reported it.
Quote: AZDuffmanQuote: s2dbakerDo you have any other source other than Daily Caller? Daily Caller is the group that paid hookers to say that they slept with the New Jersey Senator, Bob Menendez. If they are willing to do that then they will say just about anything. I'd sooner trust the Weekly World News than Daily Caller.Quote: AZDuffmanThe media getting together to give push to what they like and bury what they don't? It isn't a conspiracy if it is true!
The fact that the Wright story was buried has not been disputed no matter who reported it.
Who is Wright? Is that the marine doctor that was so trusted that he was on the team of doctors that operated on President Johnson?
I gotta a lot of respect for him.
A Marine.
A Doctor.
Someone who was so trusted, he was allowed to help operate on a President.
Gotta have alot respect, pretty accomplished.
Quote: terapinedThe point I was making was that posters said the media wont criticize the NFL because the media supports the NFL's liberal views. Fox News is part of the media and they support non-liberal viewpoints but they refuse to criticize the NFL also. Why wont Foxnews criticize the liberal NFL??? Its because Fox makes too much money from broadcasting the NFL.
The hard news shows on Fox won't criticize because it's not their place to do so. They just report the news. OTOH, the opinion shows are always criticizing political correctness.
Quote: Beethoven9thThe hard news shows on Fox won't criticize because it's not their place to do so. They just report the news. OTOH, the opinion shows are always criticizing political correctness.
So Fox Opinion shows, Hannity, Greta, Bill O criticize the NFL. Of course not, thats the hand that feeds fox.
How about that Wright guy.
A black man that becomes a marine, then a doctor, then operates on a President. Pretty impressive.
Quote: terapined
Who is Wright? Is that the marine doctor that was so trusted that he was on the team of doctors that operated on President Johnson?
I gotta a lot of respect for him.
A Marine.
A Doctor.
Someone who was so trusted, he was allowed to help operate on a President.
Gotta have alot respect, pretty accomplished.
It was fully described in the hyperlink, but since you did not investigate it refers to Rev Jeremiah Wright, the racist preacher at the racist church Obama attended for about 20 years.
Had similar remarks been made by a white preacher, the political candidate would have seen his campaign end there and then.
Quote: terapinedSo Fox Opinion shows, Hannity, Greta, Bill O criticize the NFL. Of course not, thats the hand that feeds fox.
You obviously don't watch Fox. During the whole Rush Limbaugh ordeal (when he expressed interest in owning a team), there was plenty of criticism on the opinion shows regarding the NFL.
Quote: AZDuffmanAgain, "the field" is only part of the job. You are falling into the "he can do whatever he wants because 'he's good'" mentality.
So does membership in the NFL come with suspension of normal criminal penalties, immunity from prosecution?
There are cases when the answer is "yes". Service in the military brings this perk; this is why militaries have their own comprehensive codes and justice departments.
But if not, it's not even their job to punish members for violating government's laws. You break the government's laws, the government is the one who is to punish you for it, not every Joe and Mary. I don't even think the four-game suspension is called for.
I wouldn't have it. If I am to punish an employee, it has to be for breaking my rules, not someone else's. If it compromises his ability to do his job, then he's out for insufficient performance; if it doesn't, get back to doing it.
Quote: P90So does membership in the NFL come with suspension of normal criminal penalties, immunity from prosecution?
There are cases when the answer is "yes". Service in the military brings this perk; this is why militaries have their own comprehensive codes and justice departments.
Military service gives no such perk. The military justice courts you speak of are for crimes over and above the local laws or for crimes on a military area without local jurisdiction. If you are in the military and get it a bar fight say well you have to answer the charges. Then after you answer he charges the military may add more punishment.
But I don't see your point in bringing it up. My point is the nfl does not care about bad behavior, a reason I am tuning them out more and more.
That's a sidenote. What about the point?
I don't see why it should be an employer's responsibility to deal out punishment for criminal violations by his employees that the state has already dealt with.
I don't consider it to reflect badly on an organization if they don't throw their members who get out of jail into a bonus jail of their own. In fact, I consider it to reflect badly on an organization, as a community, if they do.
If someone is a total jerk that shouldn't be among other people - give him the damn chair.
No case for the chair? Then we as a society consider him to have served out his punishment. Now let him get back to his duties ASAP.
Quote: Beethoven9thYou obviously don't watch Fox. During the whole Rush Limbaugh ordeal (when he expressed interest in owning a team), there was plenty of criticism on the opinion shows regarding the NFL.
Wow, Foxnews complaining that a private small club of owners cant be allowed to decide who gets in. Its a private club. So if I form a private club, and I cant stand Limbaugh, I have to let him in? Is Foxnews serious. hogwash. This is America.
Quote: terapinedSo if I form a private club, and I cant stand Limbaugh, I have to let him in?
Glad you've finally admitted that you support discrimination against people you don't like. Hope you're consistent and would also support the NFL if they also barred gays from being owners.
The law permits you to discriminate against knuckle-dragging misanthropes like Rush Limbaugh on an individual basis. The law prevents you from discriminating against someone because of immutable characteristics like skin color, national origin or whether you keep your reproductive organs on the outside or the inside of your body. The Supreme Court pretty much inured that right to The Gay yesterday but because the actual case was essentially about a tax bill, the scope was limited to section III of DOMA. Any challenge to other discriminatory laws will invoke this decision (if a lawyer is at all competent) and each judge will have to abide. If they don't abide, then they will be overturned which judges sort of hate.Quote: Beethoven9thGlad you've finally admitted that you support discrimination against people you don't like. Hope you're consistent and would also support the NFL if they also barred gays from being owners.
Already in New Jersey today, a Gay couple is suing for the right to get married and they will win.
Quote: s2dbakerThe law permits you to discriminate against knuckle-dragging misanthropes like Rush Limbaugh on an individual basis. The law prevents you from discriminating against someone because of immutable characteristics like skin color, national origin or whether you keep your reproductive organs on the outside or the inside of your body. The Supreme Court pretty much inured that right to The Gay yesterday but because the actual case was essentially about a tax bill, the scope was limited to section III of DOMA. Any challenge to other discriminatory laws will invoke this decision (if a lawyer is at all competent) and each judge will have to abide. If they don't abide, then they will be overturned which judges sort of hate.
Already in New Jersey today, a Gay couple is suing for the right to get married and they will win.
What does any of this have to do with the NFL and my response to terapined?
You mentioned discriminating against The Gay and equated it with discriminating against a blow-hard. I was correcting you. You are now corrected.Quote: Beethoven9thWhat does any of this have to do with the NFL and my response to terapined?
Quote: s2dbakerYou mentioned discriminating against The Gay and equated it with discriminating against a blow-hard. I was correcting you. You are now corrected.
So gay people can't be blowhards? (no pun intended)
Gays like Perez Hilton are blowhards. So, according to you, the NFL can discriminate against him, right?
