Johnny Carson vs. Jimmy Fallon
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April 7th, 2013 at 8:32:53 AM
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who do you consider to be the all-time King of Late Night? Vote!
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April 7th, 2013 at 9:58:48 AM
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Of course Carson is the king of late night, hands down.
Letterman is #2 in my opinion.
Letterman is #2 in my opinion.
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April 7th, 2013 at 9:59:43 AM
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I know that Steve Allen started the Tonight Show, but I remember him much more from his Sunday evening show. I liked Jack Paar a lot, and I specifically remember a couple of his shows, but Carson was able to keep it going for such a long time that I have to consider him the "king." I understand that he wasn't a particularly benevolent despot and may have had a bit of a mean streak, but he certainly came across well on screen and knew how to show off his guests, not try to show them up as some "hosts" do.
April 7th, 2013 at 11:45:23 AM
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Jimmy Fallon is almost as big a dickhead as Gonad
O'Brian. I can't stand either one of them. The constant
self deprecating humor wears real thin real fat,
especially O'Brian.
O'Brian. I can't stand either one of them. The constant
self deprecating humor wears real thin real fat,
especially O'Brian.
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April 7th, 2013 at 12:42:08 PM
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In a DVR cable universe late night TV, while important, doesn't matter nearly as much as it used to.
Leno was retired once Kimmel demonstrated his viability to young viewers which commands ad rates. Once the idiots at NBC realized (probably through polling) that Fallon vs Kimmel would be a better match vs Leno they got rid of Leno.
IMO NBC should be spending its resources revamping the rest of its lineup and leaving late night alone.
Although Letterman has gotten very stale oh say for the past 8-10 years, his interviews with meaningful guests are much more entertaining and thoughtful than anyone else in late night.
Leno was retired once Kimmel demonstrated his viability to young viewers which commands ad rates. Once the idiots at NBC realized (probably through polling) that Fallon vs Kimmel would be a better match vs Leno they got rid of Leno.
IMO NBC should be spending its resources revamping the rest of its lineup and leaving late night alone.
Although Letterman has gotten very stale oh say for the past 8-10 years, his interviews with meaningful guests are much more entertaining and thoughtful than anyone else in late night.
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April 7th, 2013 at 8:38:11 PM
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Quote: boymimboAlthough Letterman has gotten very stale oh say for the past 8-10 years, his interviews with meaningful guests are much more entertaining and thoughtful than anyone else in late night.
And even those interviews were much better in his NBC and early CBS years.
Letterman has been on as long as I've been watching late-night tv (IOW, his NBC show began around the time I started staying up late enough to watch him). It's one of those things that's always been there, and now I understand how my parents and grandparents felt about Carson, because he was the same way for them. It's going to be weird once he's not around.
April 7th, 2013 at 10:38:49 PM
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I find Conan O Brien as funny as a box of old buttons, Fallon far to interested in looking good, and Letterman a smug old man. Most of the interviews reveal nothing, the adverts get in the way, and the 'bits' are tired in jokes. I'm not a fan of late night talk shows, I guess. I have enjoyed a few of Craig Ferguson's monologues, but otherwise, the whole format can die in a fire. But then, I don't care much about celebs talking... I care about their output.
The records they make, or the films they star in, or the books they write. Show me that, the person behind the output is rarely as entertaining as the media product itself. And if I really want to know about their lives, there's wikipedia and imdb to get the real interesting parts.
The records they make, or the films they star in, or the books they write. Show me that, the person behind the output is rarely as entertaining as the media product itself. And if I really want to know about their lives, there's wikipedia and imdb to get the real interesting parts.
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February 18th, 2014 at 2:17:40 PM
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I don't get why they got rid of Leno. Jimmy
Fallon is just so lame, he has no edge like
Carson and Leno had. He's like the class
clown kid who never grew up. Leno was a
top notch comedian, he was even looked up
to in the stand up community as the best of
the best. Fallon is so low key he puts me to
sleep. His very first show didn't even get
the ratings Leno got with his farewell show.
Who cares about Fallon, they'll just watch Letterman.
Fallon is just so lame, he has no edge like
Carson and Leno had. He's like the class
clown kid who never grew up. Leno was a
top notch comedian, he was even looked up
to in the stand up community as the best of
the best. Fallon is so low key he puts me to
sleep. His very first show didn't even get
the ratings Leno got with his farewell show.
Who cares about Fallon, they'll just watch Letterman.
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February 18th, 2014 at 2:21:30 PM
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+1Quote: EvenBobI don't get why they got rid of Leno. Jimmy
Fallon is just so lame, he has no edge like
Carson and Leno had. He's like the class
clown kid who never grew up. Leno was a
top notch comedian
Some people may dislike Leno, but even they have to admit that he was one of the top comedians for many years even prior to hosting The Tonight Show. Jimmy Fallon is just flat out lame & unfunny. Couldn't stand him on SNL either.
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February 18th, 2014 at 2:25:02 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9th+1
Some people may dislike Leno, but even they have to admit that he was one of the top comedians for many years even prior to hosting The Tonight Show. Jimmy Fallon is just flat out lame & unfunny.
I watched it last night and couldn't believe
NBC thinks we want to watch this little twerp
instead of Leno. What's with the dancing, he
looked like an idiot. Is it some lame variety
show now, like Merv Griffin had? Yeah, that'll
go over big. Snicker..
Leno is naturally funny. He has a lot of videos
he did of his old cars and he constantly cracks
jokes even then. He see's the funny side of
everything, he's a comic genius. When he was
on Letterman 30 years ago he was the best
guest Letterman ever had. He was always
hilarious.
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February 18th, 2014 at 2:29:25 PM
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I have a feeling the Jimmy Fallon decision is one NBC will regret. He's just not that funny. I liked the hashtag skit he did with Justin Timberlake last year but other than that I rarely laugh when watching him. Both movies he did after leaving SNL also bombed .
I'll watch 15-20 more Tonight Shows to give him a chance, but I don't have high hopes for it
I'll watch 15-20 more Tonight Shows to give him a chance, but I don't have high hopes for it
February 18th, 2014 at 2:40:30 PM
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Quote: EvenBob
sleep. His very first show didn't even get
the ratings Leno got with his farewell show.
Is there any reason to expect that it would?
Jimmy Fallon will do well with the 18-29 y.o. male crowd, which is exactly where the big advertising dollars per viewer come from, highly desired market. Conan actually did better with that crowd in his brief stint than either Leno or Letterman, in fact, Conan's lower general ratings were partially attributed to The Jay Leno Show being a weak lead-in to local newscasts which were then a weak lead in to Tonight.
He'll positively dominate Letterman in that market.
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February 18th, 2014 at 2:41:32 PM
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"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
February 18th, 2014 at 2:51:37 PM
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Quote: michael99000I have a feeling the Jimmy Fallon decision is one NBC will regret. He's just not that funny. I liked the hashtag skit he did with Justin Timberlake last year but other than that I rarely laugh when watching him. Both movies he did after leaving SNL also bombed .
I'll watch 15-20 more Tonight Shows to give him a chance, but I don't have high hopes for it
Fever Pitch grossed 167% of its budget, which is hardly bombing, that's just box office receipts, Taxi did 276% of its budget, if I'm not mistaken, those are the only two movies in which he was the lead.
I also don't want anyone to mistake my opinion as a defense of his abilities, he couldn't make me laugh if someone tickled the bottom of my foot with a feather while I watched him, but the youth seems to like him.
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February 18th, 2014 at 2:52:52 PM
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The sad thing is that there really aren't any comedians today who are suited to host a late-night talk show like The Tonight Show. Pretty much all of the younger guys rely on profanity and crudeness to get a laugh, which is something that a genius like Carson never needed to do.
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February 18th, 2014 at 2:54:26 PM
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Quote: EvenBobI watched it last night and couldn't believe
NBC thinks we want to watch this little twerp
instead of Leno. What's with the dancing, he
looked like an idiot. Is it some lame variety
show now, like Merv Griffin had? Yeah, that'll
go over big. Snicker..
Leno is naturally funny. He has a lot of videos
he did of his old cars and he constantly cracks
jokes even then. He see's the funny side of
everything, he's a comic genius. When he was
on Letterman 30 years ago he was the best
guest Letterman ever had. He was always
hilarious.
Bob - I do not think NBC wants your demographic to "get" the dancing - they want the video of Fallon and Will Smith to go viral (like the Fallon and Justin Timberlake video did) - which will, in turn, bring younger viewers to the show.1
1 Nothing in this post should be construed as an insult to Bob's age or any other person of any age, gender, lack of gender, sexual orientation, religion, lack of religion or gambling prowess
February 18th, 2014 at 2:56:47 PM
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February 18th, 2014 at 2:59:23 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesLeno will turn up somewhere.
He might end up hosting Tonight in nine months, or so.
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February 18th, 2014 at 3:01:32 PM
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February 18th, 2014 at 3:03:07 PM
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Quote: Mission146Fever Pitch grossed 167% of its budget, which is hardly bombing, that's just box office receipts, Taxi did 276% of its budget, if I'm not mistaken, those are the only two movies in which he was the lead.
I also don't want anyone to mistake my opinion as a defense of his abilities, he couldn't make me laugh if someone tickled the bottom of my foot with a feather while I watched him, but the youth seems to like him.
Mission,
Last time I looked, you WERE "the youth". Old at 29, fer heaven's sake? Not a chance.
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February 18th, 2014 at 3:05:23 PM
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I'm thirty, now.
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February 18th, 2014 at 3:06:34 PM
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Quote: Mission146I'm thirty, now.
Well, then, belated Happy Birthday! You're right, you're ancient, at least in dog years, and I understand your POV much better now. (gentle sarcasm)
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February 18th, 2014 at 3:06:38 PM
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Quote: aceofspadeswhich will, in turn, bring younger viewers to the show.
They won't stay, Fallon isn't talented enough.
He's an awful interviewer because his brain
just isn't as fast as Leno-Letterman-Carson.
He won't last, I'm tired of him already. They
made the same mistake they made with Conan.
The people who watch the late show after
the Tonight show are a totally different audience.
They're far more easily entertained.
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February 18th, 2014 at 3:11:48 PM
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Quote: EvenBob
Theymade the same mistake they made with Conan.
The people who watch the late show afterThe people who watch the late show after
the Tonight show are a totally different audience.
They're far more easily entertained.
No, they're not. The majority of them are a segment of the exact same audience. That's one of the reasons Tonight with Jay Leno did well with series programming as a lead-in and Tonight with Conan O'Brien did poorly with The Jay Leno Show as a lead-in to the news; The Jay Leno Show was dead last in viewership for that time slot among the major networks which led to fewer people watching the local NBC News affiliate and less people watching Conan.
The local NBC syndicates didn't want Tonight with Conan O'Brien gone, they wanted The Jay Leno Show replaced with something else, this fact was evidenced by the fact that some of them chose to lead-in to the 11:00 News with Seinfeld reruns, instead.
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February 18th, 2014 at 3:34:25 PM
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Quote: michael99000I have a feeling the Jimmy Fallon decision is one NBC will regret. He's just not that funny.
In an interview he stated he wanted the show to revert back to a variety show like the days of Steve Allen.
He does some great impressions:
Jimmy Fallon
February 18th, 2014 at 3:58:32 PM
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Jimmy Fallon can sing, dance, do impersonations, tell jokes, interview guests, good looking guy, yada yada. A real talent that's going to be around along time. He's the real deal. Old folks just don't get him….
Each day is better than the next
February 18th, 2014 at 3:59:51 PM
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Quote: treetopbuddyJimmy Fallon can sing, dance, do impersonations, tell jokes, interview guests, good looking guy, yada yada. A real talent that's going to be around along time. He's the real deal. Old folks just don't get him….
I'm in the young people demographic and think he is not funny.
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February 18th, 2014 at 4:04:54 PM
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Quote: treetopbuddyJimmy Fallon can sing, dance, do impersonations, tell jokes, interview guests,….
But he's mediocre at all of it, at best. He's
a clown, and clowns wear thin after awhile.
Conan is a clown, look where he is. Clowns
have their niche audience, usually among
those who are easily entertained.
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February 18th, 2014 at 4:11:52 PM
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Quote: EvenBobBut he's mediocre at all of it, at best. He's
a clown, and clowns wear thin after awhile.
Conan is a clown, look where he is. Clowns
have their niche audience, usually among
those who are easily entertained.
Good points…..yeah he can be clownish, no doubt. At think at some point he'll find his grove, maybe lose some of the silliness . I don't think anybody expects Fallon to be a great singer, dancer, impersonator but he's just good enough to add another dimension to The Tonight Show.
Each day is better than the next
February 18th, 2014 at 4:18:24 PM
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Quote: treetopbuddyGood points…..yeah he can be clownish, no doubt. At think at some point he'll find his grove, maybe lose some of the clownishness.
He's almost 40, he's at the pinnacle of his
career, he's set in stone. Face it, he's just
not as bright as Leno and Carson. One thing
all comics have in common is, they're way
above average in intelligence. Fallon is
no dummy, but he's not that bright either.
This shows in his ability to interview guests,
he's awful at it. He's a male Ellen Degeneres,
they both sing and dance and wisecrack. She
is an afternoon host, which is where Fallon
belongs.
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February 18th, 2014 at 4:26:08 PM
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February 18th, 2014 at 4:37:40 PM
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Quote: IbeatyouracesI don't watch any of these shows for the interviews anyway. Just the comedy skits in the first half then I change the channel.
Right, after the comedy it's time to change the channel. Does anybody actually watch the guest segments?
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February 18th, 2014 at 5:14:47 PM
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Quote: EvenBobHe's a male Ellen Degeneres,
they both sing and dance and wisecrack. She
is an afternoon host, which is where Fallon
belongs.
Ellen has a paycheck of 45 million, Fallon was 11 million. Leno paycheck was 12. O'reilly 17
more here
http://www.businessinsider.com/tv-host-paychecks-2013-2013-8?op=1
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February 18th, 2014 at 5:29:17 PM
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Quote: rxwineLeno paycheck was 12.
Leno has never touched the Tonight Show money
since he started on the show. His whole check
gets put into an investment account and he lives
a millionaires lifestyle on the money he makes
doing stand up. He often has a stand up gig
in Vegas or San Diego or somewhere after he
finished doing the shows taping at 6:30. He makes
millions doing that, he's a workaholic.
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February 18th, 2014 at 5:38:03 PM
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Who was this Johnny Carson again? :-)
February 18th, 2014 at 5:55:37 PM
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Quote: kewljWho was this Johnny Carson again? :-)
Carson was the best, but he was a mostly an unhappy
man. He had no close friends, was not close to anybody
on the planet. He was lonely and a loner, yet the star
of hugely successful show. When he retired he played
poker every all the time with a circle of show biz friends,
but he never went back to TV in any form. He really
didn't like it and didn't like show biz. Too much phoniness.
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February 18th, 2014 at 6:00:45 PM
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Quote: EvenBobCarson was the best, but he was a mostly an unhappy
man. He had no close friends, was not close to anybody
on the planet. He was lonely and a loner, yet the star
of hugely successful show. When he retired he played
poker every all the time with a circle of show biz friends,
but he never went back to TV in any form. He really
didn't like it and didn't like show biz. Too much phoniness.
Yeah, I know who he was. I have seen clips. Just wanted to make you guys feel old.
But of late I have read articles and seen shows where people claim he was a real prick. He seemed to have long running feuds with a number of different people, and he held a grudge big time, no forgive and forget in him at all. lol
February 18th, 2014 at 6:05:47 PM
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Quote: kewlj
But of late I have read articles and seen shows where people claim he was a real prick.
He was a prick if you slighted him or tried
to invade his space. Him and Sinatra came
from a different generation, where men
kept to themselves and kept their own
council. Both Carson and Sinatra could be
the biggest pricks you ever met if you got
on their bad side.
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February 18th, 2014 at 6:07:47 PM
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Hey , how about the other two hosts in 1957, Jack Lescoulie, and then Al "Jazzbo" Collins.
Jazzbo's Little Red Riding Hood http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgw9GuakRKY
Jazzbo's Little Red Riding Hood http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tgw9GuakRKY
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
February 18th, 2014 at 6:13:52 PM
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Any body else remember Jerry Lester and Dagmar ? I do . Was actually the forerunner of the tonight show, also on NBC .
I would say Dagmar was a dumb blonde, but that did not work out for me last time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj9ROFv_6WQ
I would say Dagmar was a dumb blonde, but that did not work out for me last time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj9ROFv_6WQ
Shed not for her
the bitter tear
Nor give the heart
to vain regret
Tis but the casket
that lies here,
The gem that filled it
Sparkles yet
February 18th, 2014 at 6:48:19 PM
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Those impressions actually aren't too bad, although he's not as polished as a guy like Frank Caliendo. Especially when it comes to the person's mannerisms.Quote: paisielloHe does some great impressions:
Jimmy Fallon
Fallon's Robin Williams was good, but this is a scary good impression:
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February 18th, 2014 at 6:49:50 PM
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Quote: BuzzardAny body else remember Jerry Lester and Dagmar ? I do . Was actually the forerunner of the tonight show, also on NBC .
I would say Dagmar was a dumb blonde, but that did not work out for me last time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj9ROFv_6WQ
Heard of them, yes. Remember them, no. The Dumb Blonde character was an honored vaudeville tradition. Look at Gracie Burns. Suzanne Somers as Crissie. Lina LaMonde in Singing in the Rain. Even Marilyn Monroe. A hundred others.
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February 18th, 2014 at 7:09:25 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9thThose impressions actually aren't too bad, although he's not as polished as a guy like Frank Caliendo.
Well, can Caliendo do Neil Young?
Jimmy Fallon
February 18th, 2014 at 7:20:16 PM
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Quote: Beethoven9thThe sad thing is that there really aren't any comedians today who are suited to host a late-night talk show like The Tonight Show.
Gotta take this statement back. Although he's technically not a comedian like Leno or Letterman, I think Greg Gutfeld would kick butt hosting a late-night show. But since he leans right, it ain't ever gonna happen. Too bad.
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February 18th, 2014 at 7:20:48 PM
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Quote: Mission146Fever Pitch grossed 167% of its budget, which is hardly bombing, that's just box office receipts, Taxi did 276% of its budget, if I'm not mistaken, those are the only two movies in which he was the lead.
I also don't want anyone to mistake my opinion as a defense of his abilities, he couldn't make me laugh if someone tickled the bottom of my foot with a feather while I watched him, but the youth seems to like him.
This excerpt from a Parade magazine interview last Sunday seems to disagree with your assessment , not sure if by failure they mean financially..
On how he tackled the failures of two films, Taxi in 2004 and Fever Pitch in 2005:
"You're a little depressed that you're not wanted. We'd go out to bars, have drinks, and I'd sing with the band [but] it wasn't like I was blacking out or getting into fights." Nancy added, "It wasn't like, 'Head to rehab.' He was just trying to figure out what's next."
February 18th, 2014 at 7:25:03 PM
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I hated both movies so perhaps that had me biased going into everything he's done since.
I thought as host of Weekend Update he was good, but I liked Dennis Miller a little more
I thought as host of Weekend Update he was good, but I liked Dennis Miller a little more
February 18th, 2014 at 7:33:31 PM
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Quote: michael99000
On how he tackled the failures of two films, Taxi in 2004 and Fever Pitch in 2005:
Both remakes, one of a great British movie about (soccer) football and the other a daft quirky French movie about a Taxi driver.
Neither needed remaking, especially not with the gurning fool Fallon.
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February 18th, 2014 at 7:42:57 PM
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I REALLY liked Carson. The Tonight show worked with him because he really knew how to let his guests be the star, take the spotlight. Johnny was there in a supporting role. He got his cracks in, but it was never him stealing the spotlight from the guest. And Johnny was at his best when an interview was failing, or a gag was going bad. He just had a knack for salvaging a laugh.
Fallon is different. He really is the star of the show, and the guests are there sort of supporting Fallon. But that appears to be what NBC thinks they want. Personally, I would rather see another Carson type format, but I can see where NBC would think that is not viable in the under 30 market. There is no doubt that Fallon is talented. His impressions and musical talent are extremely good.
What is going to change is the guest mix. Instead of drawing on the Hollywood crowd, I expect to see a lot more guests of the NYC variety. This means Fallon and Letterman will be going after many of the same guests as last second fill ins.
I watched Leno for quite a while after Johnny left, but at some point grew bored with his show, and started watching Letterman. My current favorite is Ferguson. His whole irreverent approach at the whole talk show format is phony, but he makes no effort to hide that it is phony. That's what makes it real. He's just letting us all in on the joke. He gets away with quite a bit.
Fallon is different. He really is the star of the show, and the guests are there sort of supporting Fallon. But that appears to be what NBC thinks they want. Personally, I would rather see another Carson type format, but I can see where NBC would think that is not viable in the under 30 market. There is no doubt that Fallon is talented. His impressions and musical talent are extremely good.
What is going to change is the guest mix. Instead of drawing on the Hollywood crowd, I expect to see a lot more guests of the NYC variety. This means Fallon and Letterman will be going after many of the same guests as last second fill ins.
I watched Leno for quite a while after Johnny left, but at some point grew bored with his show, and started watching Letterman. My current favorite is Ferguson. His whole irreverent approach at the whole talk show format is phony, but he makes no effort to hide that it is phony. That's what makes it real. He's just letting us all in on the joke. He gets away with quite a bit.
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February 18th, 2014 at 7:43:06 PM
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Quote: michael99000
On how he tackled the failures of two films, Taxi in 2004 and Fever Pitch in 2005:
"You're a little depressed that you're not wanted. We'd go out to bars, have drinks, and I'd sing with the band [but] it wasn't like I was blacking out or getting into fights." Nancy added, "It wasn't like, 'Head to rehab.' He was just trying to figure out what's next."
I never saw Taxi, but it was one of those rare films to be Universally panned by critics and hated by the majority of the people who watched it. It has an aggregate critic rating of 10% on Rotten Tomatoes as well as a 44% rotten user rating scoring an average 2.8/5. However, while Fever Pitch was neither a success nor a bomb, by the numbers, Taxi was undoubtedly a financial success.
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February 18th, 2014 at 8:26:52 PM
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I find this interesting.
Of course there really is no comparison between Carson and Fallon.
Fallon will bring in younger viewers into Late Night which Conan failed to do. Fallon is seen as a hipper personality, and though his ratings will bring in the younger demographics, I think alot of people who get turned off with Fallon (aka older folks) will switch over to Letterman and give him a bump for when he retires in say 2 - 3 years.
And the New York setting is interesting as it leaves competition for the same guests, indeed. I could see a turf war going on between Viacom's and Universal's properties. And it leaves a dearth in Los Angeles for late night with Kimmel (ABC) and Ferguson (CBS) being the only late night shows hosted there on the networks (Arsenio and Conan are also LA based I believe). Alot of stars went to Leno because they were LA based.
Apparantly NBC took on the tonight show to take advantage of a new york state tax credit (30% of production costs). From a fan standpoint, it will be cool to get standby tickets to all five of Letterman, Stewart, Colbert, Fallon, and Meyers and see which one lets you in first. Of course, they all tape around the same time and require you to line up well before the shows actually start.
Of course there really is no comparison between Carson and Fallon.
Fallon will bring in younger viewers into Late Night which Conan failed to do. Fallon is seen as a hipper personality, and though his ratings will bring in the younger demographics, I think alot of people who get turned off with Fallon (aka older folks) will switch over to Letterman and give him a bump for when he retires in say 2 - 3 years.
And the New York setting is interesting as it leaves competition for the same guests, indeed. I could see a turf war going on between Viacom's and Universal's properties. And it leaves a dearth in Los Angeles for late night with Kimmel (ABC) and Ferguson (CBS) being the only late night shows hosted there on the networks (Arsenio and Conan are also LA based I believe). Alot of stars went to Leno because they were LA based.
Apparantly NBC took on the tonight show to take advantage of a new york state tax credit (30% of production costs). From a fan standpoint, it will be cool to get standby tickets to all five of Letterman, Stewart, Colbert, Fallon, and Meyers and see which one lets you in first. Of course, they all tape around the same time and require you to line up well before the shows actually start.
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