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SOOPOO
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February 18th, 2013 at 11:59:53 AM permalink
Imagine this hypothetical---- GE, which now employs 1 million people, announces that do to a new computer program they will be able to provide the exact same services and products but will only need 900,000 employees. So they will be firing 100,000 of them. You are POTUS, and are asked at a press conference if that is good or bad? How do you respond?

This came to mind as a local jail is going to be closed and those prisoners moved to a nearby one, thus requiring less overall employees to manage the same number of prisoners. The local Correctional Officers Union is taking out radio ads saying this is bad because there will be a loss of 'good jobs'.
Beardgoat
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February 18th, 2013 at 12:13:17 PM permalink
It's a good thing for businesses. Why would anyone want to pay for extra employees? Whether its GE or the local family owned sandwich shop down the street, they shouldn't have to hire any more people than they need. this could eventually lead to losses, and could cause all employees to lose their jobs if the business wasn't making money.

Clearly it's crappy for the the 100k that lost their jobs, but I am of the opinion that nobody is owed anything. I've been fired and ive seen my fiancée get laid off of work 2 straight years when she was a teacher.
FinsRule
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February 18th, 2013 at 12:16:15 PM permalink
Life was better when everyone was a little less "productive"
FleaStiff
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February 18th, 2013 at 1:04:17 PM permalink
The emphasis should be on community service, probation, etc. so as to eliminate the need for the jail cells rather than running them efficiently. The real concern is the loss of the jobs, not the loss of any sort of "production". What do the jail guards actually do? Prisoner detention and prisoner transport are not exactly producing anything of value in either location.
treetopbuddy
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February 18th, 2013 at 1:13:31 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

The emphasis should be on community service, probation, etc. so as to eliminate the need for the jail cells rather than running them efficiently. The real concern is the loss of the jobs, not the loss of any sort of "production". What do the jail guards actually do? Prisoner detention and prisoner transport are not exactly producing anything of value in either location.

In this example, money is taken from productive activities and shifted to non-productive/producing activities.
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aceofspades
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February 18th, 2013 at 1:17:17 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff

The emphasis should be on community service, probation, etc. so as to eliminate the need for the jail cells rather than running them efficiently. The real concern is the loss of the jobs, not the loss of any sort of "production". What do the jail guards actually do? Prisoner detention and prisoner transport are not exactly producing anything of value in either location.






Jails, especially privatized ones - are too big of a business to run efficiently and actually rehab people
MangoJ
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February 18th, 2013 at 1:23:38 PM permalink
Of course this is a good thing. How do you think our all wealth is created (let's say compared to 100 years ago) ? It's certainly not because we keep an army of weavers producing scratchy clothes, as with fancy production machines they would be unemployed.

Those 100k men (or women) can easily be more productive than pushing buttons. How about science, art, or even childcare.
treetopbuddy
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February 18th, 2013 at 1:29:07 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Imagine this hypothetical---- GE, which now employs 1 million people, announces that do to a new computer program they will be able to provide the exact same services and products but will only need 900,000 employees. So they will be firing 100,000 of them. You are POTUS, and are asked at a press conference if that is good or bad? How do you respond?

This came to mind as a local jail is going to be closed and those prisoners moved to a nearby one, thus requiring less overall employees to manage the same number of prisoners. The local Correctional Officers Union is taking out radio ads saying this is bad because there will be a loss of 'good jobs'.

Based on the Correctional Officers Union logic we should lockup everybody in the country. Just think of all the "good jobs" that would create. I'm thinking 2 million prisoners is enough.
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DRich
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February 18th, 2013 at 1:30:55 PM permalink
I believe it is indifferent. The same amount of money will be utilized in either case. It doesn't matter who is spending or investing the money as long as they don't take it out of circulation. The corporate executives hiding all the cash under their beds would be bad, that is until the robbers found it and put it back into circulation.
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rxwine
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February 18th, 2013 at 1:38:24 PM permalink
Quote: SOOPOO

Imagine this hypothetical---- GE, which now employs 1 million people, announces that do to a new computer program they will be able to provide the exact same services and products but will only need 900,000 employees. So they will be firing 100,000 of them. You are POTUS, and are asked at a press conference if that is good or bad? How do you respond?



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treetopbuddy
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February 18th, 2013 at 1:45:58 PM permalink
Quote: FinsRule

Life was better when everyone was a little less "productive"

FinsRule, you nailed it.........nothing else needs to be said except the Pick 6 is still alive at Gulfextreme.
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treetopbuddy
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February 18th, 2013 at 1:52:49 PM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

FinsRule, you nailed it.........nothing else needs to be said except the Pick 6 is still alive at Gulfextreme.

Actually, I misread your quote.......Haiti is a lot less productive and I'm guessing life is not a little better. No wonder you can't hit a horse race. :-)
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treetopbuddy
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February 18th, 2013 at 1:56:00 PM permalink
Quote: MangoJ

Of course this is a good thing. How do you think our all wealth is created (let's say compared to 100 years ago) ? It's certainly not because we keep an army of weavers producing scratchy clothes, as with fancy production machines they would be unemployed.

Those 100k men (or women) can easily be more productive than pushing buttons. How about science, art, or even childcare.

Nailed it MangoJ!
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onenickelmiracle
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February 18th, 2013 at 2:29:39 PM permalink
True productivity is good when more is produced or produced with less energy. When productivity is merely had as a result of the government passing a law or by using a new law, it is bad because it is fake.
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EvenBob
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February 18th, 2013 at 2:51:28 PM permalink
In the old Soviet Union everybody was guaranteed a job,
so most of the jobs were crap. Lots of busywork, thats why
at any given time 40% of the workforce was drunk. Why
show up sober, nobody cares about your work output
anyway.

Thats socialism/communism. In capitalism, you constantly
have to be trimming the old and branching out into the
new. Its called growth.
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