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Nareed
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July 27th, 2012 at 8:49:36 AM permalink
I don't think the question needs to be explained
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July 27th, 2012 at 8:57:11 AM permalink
The answers are lame. How about...
I am sick of being hustled for tips by dealers whom I routinely hear badmouth other tipping customers....
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July 27th, 2012 at 9:00:34 AM permalink
Quote: WongBo

The answers are lame. How about...
I am sick of being hustled for tips by dealers whom I routinely hear badmouth other tipping customers....



That's the "These polls prove nothing" option.
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July 27th, 2012 at 9:02:36 AM permalink
Are we talking about just tipping casino dealers or all forms of tipping?
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July 27th, 2012 at 9:07:48 AM permalink
Quote: Juyemura

Are we talking about just tipping casino dealers or all forms of tipping?



All forms.

Growing up, sometimes I would take a cab by myself, or go out to eat without any adults. In such cases, my mother would give me money and tell me "The cab driver will charge $X and you give him $Y as a tip." And something similar for meals. So the notion of tipping for services is somethign I was raised with.
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July 27th, 2012 at 9:09:00 AM permalink
I did select the polls prove nothing option,
But I am just saying there are people with legitimate reasons for not tipping dealers.
Or certain dealer, or dealers at certain properties.
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July 27th, 2012 at 9:11:58 AM permalink
Quote: WongBo

But I am just saying there are people with legitimate reasons for not tipping dealers.
Or certain dealer, or dealers at certain properties.



Sure, but that's specific. The question is more general.
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July 27th, 2012 at 9:15:03 AM permalink
I tip everyone but dealers because I don't feel they deserve it. I'm only speaking of blackjack as that is all I play.

I'd like to know why some people only tip if they've won. Did you not get the service when you lost?
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July 27th, 2012 at 9:18:47 AM permalink
Generally I tip 10-20% in restaurants depending on service and attitude.
I tip 10% for home delivery of food,
I tip $10-$20 to service people depending on the difficulty and attitude.
I tip waitresses a $1 for a beer and a water, sorry not tipping for water which should be self serve.
I tip dealers about $1-$5 an hour depending on attitude and friendliness.
But there are certain hustling dealers and complainers,
all of whom I remember, who get nothing.
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July 27th, 2012 at 9:36:46 AM permalink
Quote: 1BB

I tip everyone but dealers because I don't feel they deserve it. I'm only speaking of blackjack as that is all I play.

I'd like to know why some people only tip if they've won. Did you not get the service when you lost?


I tip when I lose to a cordial and professional dealer, and stiff a rude bastard, even if I won big. It's session SERVICE, not session winnings.

I tip because I understand - and accept - that it is built into the wage structure to supply skilled low-wage workers an incentive to do well, and that tipping reduces the "nominal" or base cost of the service, particularly on a marginal job. Tipping also discourages marginal performance: there'd be NO incidentive to perform good service in areas where it IS important.
I tip:
waiters (20% at steakhouses/Cuisine, 15% at coffee shops)
valets ($5)
Maitre' d's (small shows w/descretionary seating: $20-$70)
dealers ($20/hour if courteous, $0 if a prick)
housekeeping ($3 a day)
cabbies (15%)
bellhops (my wife's luggage...)
plumbers (who do great work and clean up)
electricians (who do great work and clean up)
pizza/deli delivery ($5)
equipment installers (e.g., HVAC or Large Electronics $20-$40)
oil change/lube places' mechanics (if both quick and thorough, $5)
Moving men
Buffet attendants ($3-$5 on the table)
floormen who are exceptional (bottle of Grey Goose or show tickets)

etc..
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July 27th, 2012 at 9:55:31 AM permalink
I tip because it pleases me to do so.

I've been fortunate in life. I don't have a lot of needs, and accumulating wealth beyond my needs doesn't really interest me. A couple bucks here and there to people who work making me happy? Not a problem.

Understand, this is something I choose. I don't feel pressured. I walk my own path in life. It makes me happy to make other people happy. Simple, direct, not much else to it.
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July 27th, 2012 at 10:05:18 AM permalink
I'm going to a casino tonight. ShowBoat AC. I hope to get there around 6:00ish, play craps until 6:50ish, then go to the poker room for a tourney at 7:00.

While playing craps, I expect to tip make 6/8 place bet tips. It's the best way to tip AC. If there's a string of shitty shooters, it may cost me up to $20. If there's just a couple good shooters, the tips will be less than $10 - although much more will go into the tip box.

Either way, I'll toss another nickel when I leave.

In the poker tourney. part of the buy-in is earmarked for the dealers, so there won't be a tip unless I win, and then it will be a small one.

After that, I plan on playing poker for a couple hours. $1 tip on every pot I win over $15. $2 for pots of around $50 or more. $5 for pots over $200.



Bottom line: When I go to a casino, or to a restaurant, I figure the tip in ahead of time before deciding where to go.
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July 27th, 2012 at 10:44:02 AM permalink
I was recently on a cruise ship and had a tipping question regarding a drinks server in the casino:

Servers throughout the cruise ship are generally not tipped. Well, actually the cruise ship takes $11.50 per person per day as gratuity for all wait staff/staff members. However, extra gratuity at the time the service is rendered is not required.

So, should I have tipped the drink server/cocktail waitress on the cruise ship casino? I do so at every land based casino. When I dropped them $2 a drink, they looked shocked. Thoughts?
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July 27th, 2012 at 10:45:53 AM permalink
I find that it is difficult to know when tipping is customary.

For instance, PaigowDan tips plumbers and electricians. Is this customary or is PaigowDan just the best part of their day? Am I cheap when I paid a plumber $75 for 25 minutes of work (minimum charge was $75, but I didn't need an hour of work) and didn't tip? I don't know how much that plumber makes, but he did a great job and I will call him back if I need something else. I will also recommend him to my neighbors.

I think that most casual gamblers do not know that tipping dealers is customary. Until I started reading this board and reading about actual dealers, such as Dan and Nick, I had no idea that dealers made close to minimum wage; I assumed that they made much more and I assumed that the best dealers got raises and were assigned to higher limit tables.

As for cocktail waitresses, I always knew it was customary. I will tip $1 for every drink delivered, even if I ask for water or coffee. They are doing the same amount of work on my behalf whether I ask them for a beer or a water.

At the airport once, a man outside asked if I wanted to check my bags there or inside. The airport wasn't busy, but I decided to check outside since the airport offered this service. Then he picked up my bag and before he put it on the conveyor, he asked for $1 per bag. He said that he was handling my bags and I should tip $1 each, so I told him to hand me my bags and I went inside. If I knew tipping was customary, I would use this service if the line inside was busy and I would tip appropriately, not for the work involved, but for the time it saves me. What I don't know is if this guy receives the same pay as the person inside at the counter (who I would not tip).

Another time, a cabbie in LV picked up me and 3 other guys at the airport. The bill was about $20. We tipped $3, which I thought was customary. The guy looked at it and said "what is this, you have 4 guys, you need to tip at least $1 per person." Because of his demeanor, I would not have thrown in another dime, but a few of the guys were shamed into paying and this guy probably walked away with a $10 tip. Although I don't think that a higher tip was warranted, what did the cabbie have to lose. He's never going to see us again.

I would love if service workers were paid a fair wage and it wasn't up to individuals to determine whether or not tipping is customary.
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July 27th, 2012 at 10:47:53 AM permalink
Quote: Juyemura

When I dropped them $2 a drink, they looked shocked.


I think you answered your own question.
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July 27th, 2012 at 10:55:38 AM permalink
The question of tips comes up often on the DJ boards.

Most DJs feel they are entitled to a tip. Those also tend to be the bottom-feeders of the industry.

More professional DJs do not expect a tip.

One comment was so fantastic, I immediately stole it. When asked by clients if the DJ should get tipped, he responds, "I charge a higher price than most of my competitors because that's what I think I'm worth. If you think I did so fantastic a job that I underpriced myself, then feel free to tip me."

Another comment I heard, that I also stole is this, "Tips are neither expected, encouraged, nor refused."

Last, "The best tip would be to recomment me to your friends."

Similarly, professionals like plumbers, electricians, doctors and lawyers do not get tipped. They are already charging a price that gives them a livable wage.

Quote: CrystalMath

For instance, PaigowDan tips plumbers and electricians. Is this customary or is PaigowDan just the best part of their day? Am I cheap when I paid a plumber $75 for 25 minutes of work (minimum charge was $75, but I didn't need an hour of work) and didn't tip? I don't know how much that plumber makes, but he did a great job and I will call him back if I need something else. I will also recommend him to my neighbors.

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July 27th, 2012 at 11:22:50 AM permalink
Post moved to other 'tipping' thread about tipping dealers, rather than general tipping, where it is more appropriate.
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July 27th, 2012 at 11:53:44 AM permalink
Good responses from Crystal math!!
Quote: CrystalMath

I find that it is difficult to know when tipping is customary.

For instance, PaigowDan tips plumbers and electricians. Is this customary or is PaigowDan just the best part of their day? Am I cheap when I paid a plumber $75 for 25 minutes of work (minimum charge was $75, but I didn't need an hour of work) and didn't tip?


Plumbers and Electricians repair the infrastructure of the home where you and your family live your daily lives. They deal with sensitive and demanding home owners, and they don't make all that much money in this day and age. A mistake on their part could cost you a fortune (flooding), or a tragedy (an electrical fire.) If they are professional and thorough, (and it is vital work that they do on your home where your family lives), a gratiuity and a salute is in fine order, I feel. A $50 above the bill, or a bottle of "top shelf" lets them know that you know that their work is important to you. Take care of them, and they take care of you.

Quote: Crystalmath

I think that most casual gamblers do not know that tipping dealers is customary.


Not true; if you played for more than an hour or two you've seen another player tip a dealer on a win, or the hand to come with a positive, "Let's do it!" comment. People choose to ignore or absorb certain things based on their own morals and standards, which are admitted often quite low. So it is not that gamblers are ignorant of service gratutities, and being a dealer for "the general public" is rough work. However, on the point of "unawareness," it is that most hotel visitors do not know that tipping the housekeeping staff for cleaning up your mess or demands for extra towels, coffee, whatever is in order. House maids get paid slightly more than dealers (~ $11 an hour instead of $7.50) precisely because they are even more severely stiffed than most service professions. But leaving a Five or a Ten should be no big deal for a stay of a day or a couple of days, and $3 or $5 a day for a long stay is little also. It is NOT even the table minimum at the place you are staying at, and she is cleaning up your toliet bowl, making your bed, and handling your bath towels so you may have some comfort and dignity.

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Until I started reading this board and reading about actual dealers, such as Dan and Nick, I had no idea that dealers made close to minimum wage;


We do. We depend on the kindness of strangers, to include the daily handling of shot-takers, card-counters, casino cheats, "wannabee" movie stars snapping their fingers at us and the cocktail waitresses, (where any mis-step might be a termination), along with some gracious retired high-school principals, military officers, Hollywood score composers and musicians, and assorted other saints here and there. And if we're smart as dealers we actually don't even worry about the tips, as they average out from the good people who do attended. It is enough for a player to not try to count down cards, or do hole-carding, or make false bet claims, or snap fingers at us or the cocktail waitress, and to just act like a recreational gambler out for a night of fun on the town, - instead of a grinder, or a movie star or the casino owner himself, or looking how to grind down and "beat the joint as its own game" as a personal life-or-death challenge. If you can behave like this, you don't EVEN have to tip. Gamblers are actually not expected to tip at all if they are gracious and cordial and honest, unless they win a jackpot or a streak, which they would naturally tip on anyway if authentic, - within reason in such a situation, and in keeping with their bearing through that point. You buy in for $100 or $200, and hit a $1,000 or $2,000 hand on a bonus, throw in $50 or $100 like it is nothing, and take down $1,950 instead of $2,000...as a sport. Or throw an occasional nickel in front of your bet on a winning streak...this is what we are talking.

I once tipped $300 in black on a $2,300 three-card poker win at Sunset Station that occurred in 10 minutes, and my wife was furious with that, saying "that was an additional car payment!" I told her I took down $2,000 after tips - WHICH IS TWO MONTHS FRIGGIN' MORTGAGE PAYMENTS after the tip - which the Buddha would not have given me in the first place if I were a cheap bastard like her. I then told her she learned little at her Thai temple as to how things really worked....what goes around comes around, you reap what you sow, and that jazz, never worry about it. I told her that to explain it to her. But I do believe what goes around comes around, but more so, as a dealer, what would I EXPECT...and how would I look AT ME? [Note below: the next day she was happy with an extra 2 Grand in the bank. the talking-to was forgotten about. And I told her she would have been miserable if we got creamed, and couldn't tip, which is absolutely true.]

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I assumed that they made much more and I assumed that the best dealers got raises and were assigned to higher limit tables.


No. A few dealers work the Caesars Palace's high-limit Baccarat Room, the rest of us all work Palace Station, Sam's town, The Freemont, the Fiesta Henderson, the California Hotel/Main Street, etc. now $25 to $75 a day, from a few saints.

Quote: Crystalmath

As for cocktail waitresses, I always knew it was customary. I will tip $1 for every drink delivered, even if I ask for water or coffee. They are doing the same amount of work on my behalf whether I ask them for a beer or a water.


For that matter, Dealers are doing the same amount of work whether you win or lose. In fact, usually MORE work if you lose, with the moaning and nastiness and complaining and shot-taking increasing in those circumstances.

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At the airport once, a man outside asked if I wanted to check my bags there or inside. The airport wasn't busy, but I decided to check outside since the airport offered this service. Then he picked up my bag and before he put it on the conveyor, he asked for $1 per bag. He said that he was handling my bags and I should tip $1 each, so I told him to hand me my bags and I went inside.


If a dealer did that, it would be rare, AND he'd be summarily fired. Goes to show that the tip grubbers are mostly in other service professions, we only have a falsely bad rep from the gamblers, who on the whole are no treat to deal to. So Please scrutinize the baggage handlers, valets, maitre'd's, etc., before you accuse us, because there's a floorman or a comment card five feet away that you can request an immediate write-up against a dealer from, but not with the others.

Quote: Crystalmath

If I knew tipping was customary, I would use this service if the line inside was busy and I would tip appropriately, not for the work involved, but for the time it saves me. What I don't know is if this guy receives the same pay as the person inside at the counter (who I would not tip).


No, probably less, but it doesn't justify a shameless solicitation for a tip.

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Another time, a cabbie in LV picked up me and 3 other guys at the airport. The bill was about $20. We tipped $3, which I thought was customary. The guy looked at it and said "what is this, you have 4 guys, you need to tip at least $1 per person." Because of his demeanor, I would not have thrown in another dime, but a few of the guys were shamed into paying and this guy probably walked away with a $10 tip. Although I don't think that a higher tip was warranted, what did the cabbie have to lose. He's never going to see us again.


Then get cabbie's driver's license number or plate tags, and report it. I pay the McCarran Airport parking charges just to avoid the taxi's and CAT bus headaches.

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I would love if service workers were paid a fair wage and it wasn't up to individuals to determine whether or not tipping is customary.


No, you would NOT! If service workers were paid a flat and high salary, you'd get NO good service. They tried that in the Soviet Union, and tips became bribes as a result, with only the politburo members living large - because nothing got done on a flat salary unless a rare and naturally-consciencious person came along.
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July 27th, 2012 at 12:15:39 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan


Plumbers and Electricians repair the infrastructure of the home where you and your family live your daily lives. They deal with sensitive and demanding home owners, and they don't make all that much money in this day and age. A mistake on their part could cost you a fortune (flooding), or a tragedy (an electrical fire.) If they are professional and thorough, (and it is vital work that they do on your home where your family lives), a gratiuity and a salute is in fine order, I feel. A $50 above the bill, or a bottle of "top shelf" lets them know that you know that their work is important to you. Take care of them, and they take care of you.


Really? I can't believe you are saying this. By that logic, you have to tip airline pilots a lot, let alone brain surgeons or army generals.


Quote: Paigowdan


If service workers were paid a flat and high salary, you'd get NO good service.


Huh? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Why would I get "no good service"?
I am usually getting pretty good service from flight attendants for example, and I am not tipping them. Or from a front-desk lady at my gym ... Or at my local Dunkin Donuts. ... etc.
I myself do my job pretty well, even though I am not getting any tips for doing it.

I think, the culture of tipping in the US is annoying to those who tip, and extremely demeaning to those who accept tips. "We depend on the kindness of strangers ..." Seriously? How is it better than begging for money in the streets?

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They tried that in the Soviet Union, and tips became bribes as a result,


Are you suggesting you think it were waiters, barbers and taxi drivers taking bribes (instead of tips) in the Soviet Union?
Sorry, that's just hilarious.
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July 27th, 2012 at 12:19:58 PM permalink
I'll be honest - I'm a cheapskate. I'll tip the bare minimum, and do it because I see that we've set up what's partially an economy where tips have become payments for competent service enforced on the honor system, not gratuities in the traditional sense. Wrong or right, it is what it is, and defying it is no defiance of that fact, just of the honor system.

-Dealers, the going rate per significant pot (usually $1, been at tables where it was $2), double that if it was a dramatic and lucrative hand, or $1 at table games - I don't think I've ever been at a table game longer than 10-15 minutes, but if I did, that'd probably be about the interval at which I'd tip at a $5 or $10 table. I've never won a large jackpot, but I'm guessing I'd tip 1% for a 5+-figure jackpot, probably $20-$100 for a smaller one. The reason to tip more when you win isn't that the dealer is responsible for your wins, but that the winner stands as the representative of the patrons as a whole.
-Waiters, 15% unless the service stood out (or there was an automatic gratuity). I find that working it out on the check can sometimes guilt me into tipping 18%.
-Cabbies, 10%.
-Servers, $1.
-Bartenders, $1, more if it's an upscale place. (I remember when I first turned 21, I'd never been much of one for the fake ID brigade, so in my naivete, I'd tip as I left... they hated me.)
-Cafés and other take out for small orders, if there's a tip jar, usually what I've left over from the order, keeping any pennies and nickels for myself, adding a quarter or two if it's under 50¢. No quarters and I'll give a dollar. For larger orders, 15%.

There are probably some others, but no one else really comes to mind.
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July 27th, 2012 at 12:36:59 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Plumbers and Electricians repair the infrastructure of the home where you and your family live your daily lives. They deal with sensitive and demanding home owners, and they don't make all that much money in this day and age. A mistake on their part could cost you a fortune (flooding), or a tragedy (an electrical fire.) If they are professional and thorough, (and it is vital work that they do on your home where your family lives), a gratiuity and a salute is in fine order, I feel. A $50 above the bill, or a bottle of "top shelf" lets them know that you know that their work is important to you. Take care of them, and they take care of you.


Bless you! I've been a plumber for 35 years, although I now work as an inspector. Paigowdan is the exception. It is so very much appreciated when customers tip that believe me, you have an emergency situation and call the service person you tipped last year, they will move you to the very top of the list to take care of your problem. In their eyes you have become the very most important customer of all their clientele. And if it's something really simple and quick you might not even get charged. "Catch it next time" is what I used to tell them.

I tip service people, even my postman. Every Christmas he gets an envelope from me. I never lose mail! When my wife takes her car in for service, the mechanic calls me on my cell phone if there is a problem. Better believe I tip them all!
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July 27th, 2012 at 12:37:10 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Not true; if you played for more than an hour or two you've seen another player tip a dealer on a win, or the hand to come with a positive, "Let's do it!" comment.


You are right. For most people, it shouldn't take long to realize.

Quote: Paigowdan


For that matter, Dealers are doing the same amount of work whether you win or lose. In fact, usually MORE work if you lose, with the moaning and nastiness and complaining and shot-taking increasing in those circumstances.


I agree.

Quote: Paigowdan


No, you would NOT! If service workers were paid a flat and high salary, you'd get NO good service. They tried that in the Soviet Union, and tips became bribes as a result, with only the politburo members living large - because nothing got done on a flat salary unless a rare and naturally-consciencious person came along.


Maybe you're right, but there are good employees and bad employees in every business, tipped or not. I also like to give a waiter/waitress an unusually high tip if they have done an unusually good job for me.

In a casino, where do you draw the line? I see tip "jars" at the cage - does this mean that they expect a tip? If I get a handpay, does the handpay attendant expect a tip - if so, how much? How much does the handpay attendant earn? I know that everyone in the casino would graciously accept a tip, but which ones rely on tips and which ones are just doing their job?
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July 27th, 2012 at 12:59:03 PM permalink
I think for myself. I don't tip because someone else thinks I should.

Dealers do not get tips from me, because they do not deserve it.

People that tip "just because is customary" are sheep.

If you feel a dealer deserves a tip, then tip. But don't tell me what to do.
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July 27th, 2012 at 1:04:31 PM permalink
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Quote: Paigowdan

Plumbers and Electricians repair the infrastructure of the home where you and your family live your daily lives. They deal with sensitive and demanding home owners, and they don't make all that much money in this day and age. A mistake on their part could cost you a fortune (flooding), or a tragedy (an electrical fire.) If they are professional and thorough, (and it is vital work that they do on your home where your family lives), a gratiuity and a salute is in fine order, I feel. A $50 above the bill, or a bottle of "top shelf" lets them know that you know that their work is important to you. Take care of them, and they take care of you.


Bless you! I've been a plumber for 35 years, although I now work as an inspector. Paigowdan is the exception. It is so very much appreciated when customers tip that believe me, you have an emergency situation and call the service person you tipped last year, they will move you to the very top of the list to take care of your problem. In their eyes you have become the very most important customer of all their clientele. And if it's something really simple and quick you might not even get charged. "Catch it next time" is what I used to tell them.

I tip service people, even my postman. Every Christmas he gets an envelope from me. I never lose mail! When my wife takes her car in for service, the mechanic calls me on my cell phone if there is a problem. Better believe I tip them all!



Do non tippers lose mail?
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July 27th, 2012 at 1:06:47 PM permalink
Quote: 1BB

Do non tippers lose mail?


Why would they?
Do you have to spend a two-hour session with your letter carrier, for him to drop off your mail?
No. If he doesn't have to put up with you, then you don't have to tip him. some do, out of rare kindness.
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July 27th, 2012 at 1:27:44 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

dealers ($20/hour if courteous, $0 if a prick)



I bet they like to see you coming.. I've never even seen a
dealer thats worth $20 an hour and I've been going for 35 years.
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July 27th, 2012 at 1:32:31 PM permalink
Dealers have a cupcake job. They can add; but so can most 2nd graders.

They are forbidden from thinking; they follow procedures.

ANYONE can be a dealer- they have no skills.

That's why they're dealers. That's the reason for low pay.
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July 27th, 2012 at 1:39:12 PM permalink
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The question of tips comes up often on the DJ boards.

Most DJs feel they are entitled to a tip. Those also tend to be the bottom-feeders of the industry.

More professional DJs do not expect a tip.

When I was a wedding DJ, I never asked for tips. Never hinted at them. Never did anything. I didn't keep exacting records, but I would say about 75% of the time I received a tip of some format. It usually wasn't a lot of money, and I was appreciative of the tip, of course. Occasionally, the tips were rather large, and it was a bit embarrassing.

When I delivered newspapers, I also never asked for a tip. Around the winter holidays, nearly all of the carriers would give a holiday/Christmas card to their clients. Most of them would put in a blurb about how tips were greatly appreciated. Some would even put in a self-addressed pre-stamped envelope to "encourage" the people to tip. I provided a holiday card, no blurb about tips, just genuine best wishes for the holiday season. From what I gathered from talking with the other carriers, the amount of tips that I received was about on par with what they received, going through all the extra motions.

Between those two experiences, and my, albeit very short, time as a waiter, I've learned that "hustling" for tips is usually not necessary. Providing good service will result in tips. Period. As has been mentioned, there are some people who do not tip. Some because they don't want to. Some because they don't know it's "customary" to do so. The majority of people will tip a moderate amount. And a small number of people will tip extravagant amounts.

Honestly, I'm not a big fan of tips. I really do wish that our society and culture hadn't progressed to the point where tipping is a common function. I would much prefer that people were paid a fair and decent wage to perform top quality service, and that was the norm. Obviously, it didn't happen that way. What is, perhaps, surprising to me is that the people I talk to who DO work in a position where tips compose the majority of the money they make, actually prefer to work for tips. One female waitress told me that knowing she works for tips encourages her to perform better quality service for all of her customers. If she knew she was only going to get a flat wage and nothing more, she wouldn't go out of her way to help her customers. But, having the incentive that good quality service might result in someone tipping her a large amount, makes her go the extra mile.
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July 27th, 2012 at 2:09:19 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

I tip when I lose to a cordial and professional dealer, and stiff a rude bastard, even if I won big. It's session SERVICE, not session winnings.

I tip because I understand - and accept - that it is built into the wage structure to supply skilled low-wage workers an incentive to do well, and that tipping reduces the "nominal" or base cost of the service, particularly on a marginal job. Tipping also discourages marginal performance: there'd be NO incidentive to perform good service in areas where it IS important.
I tip:
waiters (20% at steakhouses/Cuisine, 15% at coffee shops)
valets ($5)
Maitre' d's (small shows w/descretionary seating: $20-$70)
dealers ($20/hour if courteous, $0 if a prick)
housekeeping ($3 a day)
cabbies (15%)
bellhops (my wife's luggage...)
plumbers (who do great work and clean up)
electricians (who do great work and clean up)
pizza/deli delivery ($5)
equipment installers (e.g., HVAC or Large Electronics $20-$40)
oil change/lube places' mechanics (if both quick and thorough, $5)
Moving men
Buffet attendants ($3-$5 on the table)
floormen who are exceptional (bottle of Grey Goose or show tickets)

etc..




I like to tip those who normally are not tipped i.e. the person cleaning the bathroom in the casino, the person in the casino gift shop, the person handing out towels as you enter the pool area - you should see the look of surprise and smiles on their faces
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July 27th, 2012 at 2:12:24 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I bet they like to see you coming.. I've never even seen a
dealer thats worth $20 an hour and I've been going for 35 years.


I have many times, many pro dealers, in fact. Routinely good dealers at a lot of places here in Vegas, perhaps you're just not appreciative.

I seek serious action at my gambling sessions, - and a good dealer is appreciated, indeed.
A good gambling session is up there with a good brothel session [not that I do dat anymore...third finger has ring now...],
- but I remember that fine service means a whole lot.
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July 27th, 2012 at 2:21:19 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

Why would they?
Do you have to spend a two-hour session with your letter carrier, for him to drop off your mail?
No. If he doesn't have to put up with you, then you don't have to tip him. some do, out of rare kindness.



I never thought that they would. The poster said he tips the mailman and never loses mail so I thought I'd ask.

I have a very long driveway and don't see my mailman that often. I do tip him though just as I tip everyone who looks out for me and makes my life easier. Instead of an envelope I sent him and his wife to their favorite restaurant which I took the time to discover. I look for nothing extra in return.
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July 27th, 2012 at 2:21:22 PM permalink
Quote: Paigowdan

I have many times, many pro dealers, in fact. Routinely good dealers at a lot of places here in Vegas, perhaps you're just not appreciative.



I see good dealers that are worth $20 an hour overall,
but not from just one player. Thats overkill. If I play
for 3 hours, there's no way I'm giving the dealer
$60 for just standing there doing his job. If I'm winning
its because of me, not him.
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July 27th, 2012 at 2:55:15 PM permalink
Quote: MakingBook

That's why they're dealers. That's the reason for low pay.



You should put the whole rant on a T-shirt and wear it every time you play at a casino. It should prove interesting.
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July 27th, 2012 at 2:58:16 PM permalink
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You should put the whole rant on a T-shirt and wear it every time you play at a casino. It should prove interesting.



Unnecessary. Players with that attitude typically already wear it on their sleeve.
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July 27th, 2012 at 2:59:14 PM permalink
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Unnecessary. Players with that attitude typically already wear it on their sleeve.



But trying to read that tiny print will hurt your eyes! :)
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July 27th, 2012 at 3:01:07 PM permalink
Just imagine how tiny the print would be if it was printed on their heart !
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January 1st, 2019 at 8:27:29 AM permalink
This waitress pissed me off bigly trying to place her error on me. I usually like tipping pretty good, but this time only $1 on $25. I tore it in half to let her know how mad I was. Probably slipped in a bull ****ing s*** lady on her. I was furious. She didn't bring me hot sauce after I waited 2-3 minutes staring at my food, and she blamed it on me saying I said I only wanted Heinz 57. She knew better than to rehash this, but if she had I would had recommended she change the battery on her miracle ear. None of the waitresses there are ever very good, tends to be a problem.
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January 1st, 2019 at 8:47:58 AM permalink
Is it a coincidence that almost none of the non tipping posters turned out to be regulars here?
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Funny this thread popped up. 2 days ago I stiffed a waitress for the first time in a long while. Went to chilis. I had a coupon for a free queso. I showed the coupon to the waitress and said I want this. Also ordered dinner at the same time. Bill comes and I gave her coupon. She said coupon is no good because I didnt order an entree. App was good with entree. I ordered the 3 for 10 which comes with drink, entree, and app. Since I had the free app I got soup. She said that meal isnt considered an entree. So I ask who I can complain to. She comes back with the GMs card. Didn't even get the manager. I wasnt going to argue. I told her that I disagree since I showed her the coupon while in ordered and she should have told me it wouldn't work. Owell app was $6 and I would have tipped 6 so she is the one that is out.
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January 1st, 2019 at 11:16:32 AM permalink
Quote: GWAE

Funny this thread popped up. 2 days ago I stiffed a waitress for the first time in a long while. Went to chilis. I had a coupon for a free queso. I showed the coupon to the waitress and said I want this. Also ordered dinner at the same time. Bill comes and I gave her coupon. She said coupon is no good because I didnt order an entree. App was good with entree. I ordered the 3 for 10 which comes with drink, entree, and app. Since I had the free app I got soup. She said that meal isnt considered an entree. So I ask who I can complain to. She comes back with the GMs card. Didn't even get the manager. I wasnt going to argue. I told her that I disagree since I showed her the coupon while in ordered and she should have told me it wouldn't work. Owell app was $6 and I would have tipped 6 so she is the one that is out.



Call the GM. Most places will happily make good on a customers dissatisfaction.
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January 1st, 2019 at 11:34:06 AM permalink
If you have an expensive dinner with a large amount of alcohol on the bill as well, should you only tip 20% on the food portion of the check?
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January 1st, 2019 at 12:13:22 PM permalink
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If you have an expensive dinner with a large amount of alcohol on the bill as well, should you only tip 20% on the food portion of the check?

I do not think you should tip 20% on alcohol. What if you are buying some already overpriced top shelf crap?

FYI 20% is too much in the first place.

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Normally, once every few weeks or so, I order a deep dish pizza with extra cheeses, sauce and 5 topings. For the longest time it cost $16.10. Over night it went up to just under $20. I used to give them the $20 and be done with it. I'm not going for it, hopefully the drivers will complain their tips are dismal and they will lower the price back down.
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January 1st, 2019 at 12:18:27 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

If you have an expensive dinner with a large amount of alcohol on the bill as well, should you only tip 20% on the food portion of the check?



If it's a normal amount of drinking, I"ll tip on the whole bill but if a bottle or two of wine throws the bill out of whack, I won't.
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January 1st, 2019 at 12:19:33 PM permalink
Forgive my ignorance, but are you supposed to tip before the tax or after? I always include tax when I tip, so a 5.35 ($5 plus tax)meal is $6.42. But I've recently read that you are not supposed to add the tax when you tip.
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January 1st, 2019 at 12:25:28 PM permalink
Only real rule of tipping is there no real rules. Some people tip pre tax, other post tax. Some double the tax, some tip miserly.
Use your judgement.
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January 1st, 2019 at 12:35:21 PM permalink
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I do not think you should tip 20% on alcohol. What if you are buying some already overpriced top shelf crap?

FYI 20% is too much in the first place.

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Normally, once every few weeks or so, I order a deep dish pizza with extra cheeses, sauce and 5 topings. For the longest time it cost $16.10. Over night it went up to just under $20. I used to give them the $20 and be done with it. I'm not going for it, hopefully the drivers will complain their tips are dismal and they will lower the price back down.



Years ago, I was a semi regular at this club. Beers were $2.25 and I'd tip .75 cents. It was a service style type bar so while you might exchange pleasantries, it wasn't a bar where you conversed with the bartender. In the beginning, I'd get my fourth beer free but overtime the freebies lessened and eventually went away.
One time, there is a different bartender and I order my usual, leave $3 and go to walk away. Guy says it's $3.50. I get mad, thinking the guy is trying to rip me off. Turned out they'd raised prices over the two years and instead of tipping 33 percent, I wasn't tipping at all.
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January 1st, 2019 at 1:42:58 PM permalink
I'm glad this thread came up since I've been meaning to ask you guys about tipping a casino cocktail waitress. I'd read that, while tipping $1 a drink was still acceptable, $2 a drink is now considered appropriate due to both inflation and the fact that the server must pay a tax on every drink regardless of whether she gets tipped or not.

The last time I was in Vegas my wife and I were at the Plaza playing video poker around 1am on a weeknight. I was tipping the server $5 for our two drinks. My wife accused me of trying to impress the waitress which I thought was funny considering we were on nickle machines. The truth was I wanted to tip her $2 a drink and it was easier to just toss her a fiver. (Also she looked like a starving college student and/or single mom stuck working graveyard in an empty casino and I felt sorry for her.)
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January 1st, 2019 at 2:38:19 PM permalink
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My wife accused me of trying to impress the waitress

My Wife doesn't accuses me of trying to impress them she just claims I'm trying to #$%& them.
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January 1st, 2019 at 3:23:46 PM permalink
Favorite thing I ever heard from tipping, within earshot of waitress, practically shouting: 典hree f***ing dollars for two drinks?! No!!! F*** that bull***!!! Go get one dollar back from the waitress. You tipped way too much!!!
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January 1st, 2019 at 3:27:43 PM permalink
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